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Class Struggle
« on: November 16, 2006, 05:03:21 PM »
ELECTION 2006

Class Struggle
American workers have a chance to be heard.

BY JIM WEBB
Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

The most important--and unfortunately the least debated--issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country. Few among them send their children to public schools; fewer still send their loved ones to fight our wars. They own most of our stocks, making the stock market an unreliable indicator of the economic health of working people. The top 1% now takes in an astounding 16% of national income, up from 8% in 1980. The tax codes protect them, just as they protect corporate America, through a vast system of loopholes.

Incestuous corporate boards regularly approve compensation packages for chief executives and others that are out of logic's range. As this newspaper has reported, the average CEO of a sizeable corporation makes more than $10 million a year, while the minimum wage for workers amounts to about $10,000 a year, and has not been raised in nearly a decade. When I graduated from college in the 1960s, the average CEO made 20 times what the average worker made. Today, that CEO makes 400 times as much.

In the age of globalization and outsourcing, and with a vast underground labor pool from illegal immigration, the average American worker is seeing a different life and a troubling future. Trickle-down economics didn't happen. Despite the vaunted all-time highs of the stock market, wages and salaries are at all-time lows as a percentage of the national wealth. At the same time, medical costs have risen 73% in the last six years alone. Half of that increase comes from wage-earners' pockets rather than from insurance, and 47 million Americans have no medical insurance at all.

Manufacturing jobs are disappearing. Many earned pension programs have collapsed in the wake of corporate "reorganization." And workers' ability to negotiate their futures has been eviscerated by the twin threats of modern corporate America: If they complain too loudly, their jobs might either be outsourced overseas or given to illegal immigrants.

This ever-widening divide is too often ignored or downplayed by its beneficiaries. A sense of entitlement has set in among elites, bordering on hubris. When I raised this issue with corporate leaders during the recent political campaign, I was met repeatedly with denials, and, from some, an overt lack of concern for those who are falling behind. A troubling arrogance is in the air among the nation's most fortunate. Some shrug off large-scale economic and social dislocations as the inevitable byproducts of the "rough road of capitalism." Others claim that it's the fault of the worker or the public education system, that the average American is simply not up to the international challenge, that our education system fails us, or that our workers have become spoiled by old notions of corporate paternalism.

Still others have gone so far as to argue that these divisions are the natural results of a competitive society. Furthermore, an unspoken insinuation seems to be inundating our national debate: Certain immigrant groups have the "right genetics" and thus are natural entrants to the "overclass," while others, as well as those who come from stock that has been here for 200 years and have not made it to the top, simply don't possess the necessary attributes.

Most Americans reject such notions. But the true challenge is for everyone to understand that the current economic divisions in society are harmful to our future. It should be the first order of business for the new Congress to begin addressing these divisions, and to work to bring true fairness back to economic life. Workers already understand this, as they see stagnant wages and disappearing jobs.

America's elites need to understand this reality in terms of their own self-interest. A recent survey in the Economist warned that globalization was affecting the U.S. differently than other "First World" nations, and that white-collar jobs were in as much danger as the blue-collar positions which have thus far been ravaged by outsourcing and illegal immigration. That survey then warned that "unless a solution is found to sluggish real wages and rising inequality, there is a serious risk of a protectionist backlash" in America that would take us away from what they view to be the "biggest economic stimulus in world history."

More troubling is this: If it remains unchecked, this bifurcation of opportunities and advantages along class lines has the potential to bring a period of political unrest. Up to now, most American workers have simply been worried about their job prospects. Once they understand that there are (and were) clear alternatives to the policies that have dislocated careers and altered futures, they will demand more accountability from the leaders who have failed to protect their interests. The "Wal-Marting" of cheap consumer products brought in from places like China, and the easy money from low-interest home mortgage refinancing, have softened the blows in recent years. But the balance point is tipping in both cases, away from the consumer and away from our national interest.

The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet. But this election cycle showed an electorate that intends to hold government leaders accountable for allowing every American a fair opportunity to succeed.

With this new Congress, and heading into an important presidential election in 2008, American workers have a chance to be heard in ways that have eluded them for more than a decade. Nothing is more important for the health of our society than to grant them the validity of their concerns. And our government leaders have no greater duty than to confront the growing unfairness in this age of globalization.

Mr. Webb is the Democratic senator-elect from Virginia.

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Re: Class Struggle
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 06:23:40 PM »
A good article, much better than one would expect from the Opinion Journal.
I don't see where the workers are actually getting their opinion heard, though, regardless of which party is in control. These days, to run for office requires either huge amounts of personal fortune, or at least a personal fortune large enough for the candidate to gain contact with those who control a huge fortune.

Every time a Democrat mentions this growing problem, the Republicans acceuse him of "class warfare", when it is they, with their loopholes and tax breaks, that are causing the destruction of the middle class and the rise of a monetary oligarchy to occur.

The fact is that resources ARE limited, and when one class grows faster than the economy, the other classes lose.
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Re: Class Struggle
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 10:09:10 PM »
There are a lot of criticisms I could make about that opinion piece by Mr. Webb. But I'll simply ask one question. Why should Mr. Webb's opinions about economic fairness become the law of the land?
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 10:19:05 PM »

Every time a Democrat mentions this growing problem, the Republicans acceuse him of "class warfare", when it is they, with their loopholes and tax breaks, that are causing the destruction of the middle class and the rise of a monetary oligarchy to occur.


Nonsense. First of all, the loopholes and tax breaks are not all Republican grown. Secondly, many of those loopholes and tax breaks are what keep the rising portion of the middle class from being overburdened in their pursuit of economic success and stablity. And quite frankly, if people becoming more wealthy, i.e. rising out of the middle class, is causing the destruction of the middle class then to want that to stop would be, at the very least, mean-spirited, if not enviously selfish.
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Re: Class Struggle
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2006, 01:51:57 AM »
What planet are you describing? The middle class is not disappearing because they are all becoming wealthy. Non no no, they are being impoverished as part of a plan to enrich the small wealthy elite still further.

Predictable pensions are replaces by pensions that are at the whim of the fickle stock market. Consumer debt grows and grows. People are encouraged to borrow more and more on ARM mortgages of their homes. Cars are leased, not owned, Credit card fees grow bigger and bigger. Casinos are legalized. The plan is to force the middle class to work more and more years just to stay alive.

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2006, 03:25:45 AM »
What planet are you describing? The middle class is not disappearing because they are all becoming wealthy. Non no no, they are being impoverished as part of a plan to enrich the small wealthy elite still further.

Predictable pensions are replaces by pensions that are at the whim of the fickle stock market. Consumer debt grows and grows. People are encouraged to borrow more and more on ARM mortgages of their homes. Cars are leased, not owned, Credit card fees grow bigger and bigger. Casinos are legalized. The plan is to force the middle class to work more and more years just to stay alive.



Not all changes are planned ones nor do I see anything that is necessacerily a change at all.

When JP Morgan was an international leader, by virtue of his ability to gather and distribute money , he was able to rescue the US from its debts by refinanceing the national debt , I don't think that any one or even any one percent of us could do such a thing now.

There may be a flux in the trend of the rich to get richer , faster at some times than others , but I don't see that our present poor are more poor than the Poor of a century past or two centurys past , or any other set of poor you can find in history , nor do I see that our present rich have more clout than they did a century ago or two or ten.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 07:34:20 AM »
What planet are you describing? The middle class is not disappearing because they are all becoming wealthy.

They're not all becoming wealthy, but many of them are.
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Re: Class Struggle
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 11:45:09 AM »
It is nice to see a Democrat actually discussing wages and class, but as always the focus is on the ill-defined "middle class."

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There may be a flux in the trend of the rich to get richer , faster at some times than others , but I don't see that our present poor are more poor than the Poor of a century past or two centurys past , or any other set of poor you can find in history , nor do I see that our present rich have more clout than they did a century ago or two or ten.

There is quite a bit of difference in the relationships between the wealthiest citizens and the poorest citizens over the past centuries, especially if you wish to delve a millennia back in time.

Also, just because you percieve no recognizable difference in positions between the poor and wealthy (even if we accept that as true) does not mean that we should accept that as the proper model of society.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 01:47:37 PM »
The middle class is slipping in this country and every statistic shows it.

Even if every once in a while, some middle-class person does very well and becomes wealthy, this is the exception and never the rule.

It is the plan of the ruling elite in this country to beat down the middle class into a subservient bunch of wageslaves. Observe what has happened to the auto industry and the airline industry. They have been hammered on a regular basis into givebacks and reductions, which was far worse in the airline industry because at least the UAW has some power.

If American cars are shoddy, by the way, it it NOT the work of the autoworker, but the work of clowns like Roger Smith at GM who tried to foist impotent Chevvies off on the publics as Pontiacs, Oldses and Caddies by just adding better upholstery and snazzier trim.

There is no way a line worker at GM can ever make a decent car out of Vega parts. There is no way a Ford line worker could ever prevent a Torino from combining with the atmosphere as they all seem to have done by now.


One person would be a smaller number than one percent of us, by the way. JP Morgan was a huge exception, and no American has ever wieilded suchg economic power as he in all our history. Being a huge exception, he is not typical of anything, anywhere, at any time.

His bailing out the US might have been a great feat, but he suffered not a whit from having done it. Several years later, his payback was US entry in WWI, which killed, widowed and orphaned more than any economic panic has ever done. JP Morgan was therefore NOT an example of someone we need to hang around, but rather the contrary.


There are major differences between the richest and the poorest: in education, mental health, physical health and lifespan.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2006, 02:16:09 PM »
The middle class is slipping in this country and every statistic shows it.

Funny, I've seen statistics that show the wealthiest groups growing at an ever faster rate.

It is the plan of the ruling elite in this country to beat down the middle class into a subservient bunch of wageslaves.

No it's not.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2006, 02:18:48 PM »
Just because the heads on a Chevy Vega melted and the Chevy Citation occasionally might break in two when driving over a train track doesn't signify that anything was wrong with General Motors!
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2006, 02:54:41 PM »

The middle class is not disappearing because they are all becoming wealthy.


I didn't say they were all becoming wealthy. Some people do not seek to become wealthy, whatever 'wealthy' means to them. But some middle class folks do seek a level of economic success and stability that some people, you perhaps, might call wealthy. They're not out to trample on the poor, but merely to achieve an economic status that better than what they have, often for the sake of their families. Why would anyone want to interfere with that?


Non no no, they are being impoverished as part of a plan to enrich the small wealthy elite still further.


A plan? Are there meetings to decide on this plan?


Predictable pensions are replaces by pensions that are at the whim of the fickle stock market. Consumer debt grows and grows. People are encouraged to borrow more and more on ARM mortgages of their homes. Cars are leased, not owned, Credit card fees grow bigger and bigger. Casinos are legalized. The plan is to force the middle class to work more and more years just to stay alive.


For plan that is supposed force people into something, it sure seems dependent on an awful lot of entirely voluntary actions. Since the plan involves so many voluntary actions on the part of the non-wealthy elite, then I suggest you not take part in the plan, and then you can stay economically afloat while everyone else sinks into poverty. And then you can stand on your rooftop, shout "Neener, neener, neener," and do the I-told-you-so dance.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2006, 03:02:34 PM »

It is the plan of the ruling elite in this country to beat down the middle class into a subservient bunch of wageslaves.


Utter nonsense.


There are major differences between the richest and the poorest: in education, mental health, physical health and lifespan.


So remind me again then why it is you want to interfere with people improving their economic position?
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2006, 06:03:49 PM »
I didn't say they were all becoming wealthy. Some people do not seek to become wealthy, whatever 'wealthy' means to them. But some middle class folks do seek a level of economic success and stability that some people, you perhaps, might call wealthy. They're not out to trample on the poor, but merely to achieve an economic status that better than what they have, often for the sake of their families. Why would anyone want to interfere with that?

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First off, the problem is not the relatively small number of middle class individuals who become millionaires.

The problem is the small number of bazillionaires who are becoming billionaires, and hogging the limited  resources.
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It is unhealthy to society for a tiny number of individuals to dominate limited resources.

An inheritence tax on estates of over 10,000,000 of 20 or 30%, indexed to inflation would prove useful in this endeavor, and would also be a source of revenue.

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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2006, 06:18:48 PM »
First off, the problem is not the relatively small number of middle class individuals who become millionaires.

The number of people becoming millionaires last year rose 8% - faster than the population increase. I'm sure that virtually all of these came from the middle class.


The number of millionaires rose to a record level in 2005, and more than 1.1 million of them can be found in just 10 counties.
By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com senior writer
March 29, 2006: 11:37 AM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The number of American millionaires rose to a record level last year, and they're disproportionately located in four counties in California, according to an analysis released Tuesday.

Other states with counties that boast the highest number of millionaires across the country are Illinois, Arizona, Texas, New York, Florida and Massachusetts.

Nationwide, households with a net worth of at least $1 million excluding primary residences rose 8 percent to a record high 8.9 million, according to an annual report by TNS Financial Services, a market research and polling firm.

The firm's survey found that the millionaire households had an average net worth, excluding principal residence, of nearly $2.2 million, of which more than $1.4 million was in liquid, or investable, assets.

Their overall debt levels, meanwhile, fell by 8 percent, from $179,000 to $165,000.

Who's heading these households? TNS found the median age of the head of millionaire households is 58, and 45 percent are retired. Roughly 19 percent own in whole or part a professional practice or privately held business.

Over 50 percent of the millionaires surveyed said they had become more conservative in their investment approach over the past year. Their wealth is the result of long-term wealth accumulation.

Although real estate is not their sole source of wealth, it remains a staple for many. Forty-six percent of those surveyed own investment real estate like a second home or rental properties.

Seventy percent of the households, meanwhile, owned stocks and bonds, and 68 percent owned mutual funds.

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