FYI Health Care is dead, again -- after yesterday

[Kramer]

Obama didn't fool anybody yesterday in fact the summit had the opposite effect that dems wanted.

• exposed was the ponzi scheme in Obama's bill
  death panels were exposed again too
  

Folks, yesterday's circus pretty much killed health care legislation.

[sirs]

Is it ??

[Kramer]

Is it ??

yes in my humble opinion HC is dead. these pieces of corrupt leftist dems want too badly to win re-election in Nov. that's the bottom line they will go into survival mode...

[sirs]

I'm not so sure Kramer.  The Dems know that even if they lose big in Nov, the pendulum will eventually come back around, and they'll have a piece of majority status once again.  So, going the cowardly reconciliation route will give them their victory, by getting Cash for Croakers ingrained as an entitlement, that will never go away.  The government will effectively be moved into a center-left function

The question of course, is how many Dems are willing to sacrifice their current political careers, for future Dems in the next decade

[Plane]

The question of course, is how many Dems are willing to sacrifice their current political careers, for future Dems in the next decade

That is a good question, do you suppose that many of them see it that way?

[sirs]

Yes, which is why it couldn't get passed, even when the Dems had a supermajority in the Senate.  Their consituents made it clear to them what their immediate political future would be, if they went along.  Nebraska being a huge example. 

That said, can Obama sway enough of them to sacrifice their immediate political careers to get it passed on a pure cowardly reconciliatory process?

[Kramer]

The question of course, is how many Dems are willing to sacrifice their current political careers, for future Dems in the next decade

That is a good question, do you suppose that many of them see it that way?

here's how their warped minds think. Implementation isn't until after about 2014 so many of them think they will not be effected or held to account until they are long retired and gone from the congress. but they are dead wrong.

[Plane]

The question of course, is how many Dems are willing to sacrifice their current political careers, for future Dems in the next decade

That is a good question, do you suppose that many of them see it that way?

here's how their warped minds think. Implementation isn't until after about 2014 so many of them think they will not be effected or held to account until they are long retired and gone from the congress. but they are dead wrong.

With implementation happening so late , who is for it?

[Kramer]

The question of course, is how many Dems are willing to sacrifice their current political careers, for future Dems in the next decade

That is a good question, do you suppose that many of them see it that way?

taxation starts right away though
here's how their warped minds think. Implementation isn't until after about 2014 so many of them think they will not be effected or held to account until they are long retired and gone from the congress. but they are dead wrong.

With implementation happening so late , who is for it?