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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on June 26, 2015, 09:57:10 PM
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/26/1396338/-Cartoon-Blame-the-flag (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/26/1396338/-Cartoon-Blame-the-flag)
With appropriate musical accompaniment, even.
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It is bad to waste a crisis.
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There is always a longing to do SOMETHING positive when something negative happens.
You could say that it could be taken as a slap in the face of the Confederate soldiers.
But it's not like they did not need their faces slapped.
The few plantation owners were parasites on the labor unwilling slaves.
The many who did not own a plantation were either saps for dying to defend the few, or wanted to become plantation owners themselves.
Yeah, sure, they were brave.
Adolf Hitler was also brave: he got the Iron Cross for valor, not easy to earn.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/22/confederate-flag-and-party-lincoln.html?intcmp=obinsite
Nice article , but most of the enlightenment is reading the unenlightened comments that follow.
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Actually, I do not expect Republicans , as Republicans, to defend the Confederate flag very much. Bringing the Confederacy to defeat is seminal and formative to the Republicans .
Irony is rife , that freedom demands this symbol not be forbidden , but that year by year it less and less means freedom.
So do Republicans defend the first amendment rights of those still fond of this flag ? Or join the Democrats in pandering to the oppressive lovers of freedom?
They have the right to do both, and I fully expect them to.
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No one claims that individuals do not have the right to fly, stick or tattoo the Rebel flag anywhere they choose.
The issue is whether it should be flown by any governmental entity on public property.
The Germans banned the swastika for individual use, but here in the USA, a person can stick a swastika, a hammer and sickle, a Riding Sun, Che Guevara, Chairman Mao of Lenin, Stalin or Hitler anywhere they with.
I am sure Ol' Strom Thurmond was very cool with the Rebel flag, both as a Democrat and later as a Republican. The same with Trent Lott.
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Can a statefull of people choose an otherwise unpopular symbol to display?
I admit that the first amendment does not protect government agencies or governments , the first amendment is a protection against the government.
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Smith says it well.
EllSmith
3 days ago
I think it was Winston Churchill who said, "History does not repeat itself; human nature does."
When an object that symbolizes human nature is removed from both public view and discourse, the human nature and events attached to that symbol disappear as well.
Was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia created to symbolize hatred, racism, and slavery? No. Did people die for supporting the sovereignty of individual state's rights under that flag? Yes. Was slavery a part of those individuals state's rights? Yes.
The symbolism attached to this flag is not a question of "is the glass half-full, or is the glass half empty". The fact of the matter is that the flag has come to represent the fight against tyranny, on the one hand, while endorsing tyranny, on the other.
It is this conflict of ideas which, in my opinion, makes it absolutely necessary to keep this flag in the public eye. So long as people see that flag, discourse on the dichotomy of its symbolism is possible. Remove it from public view, and you remove both a symbol of fighting for freedom (which, in turn, makes future slavery more possible, if not inevitable) AND a symbol that slavery took place in this country and must never return.
Without visible, tangible reminders of what people are capable (acts both noble and terrible), human nature will repeat itself. And, as we have seen throughout history, when human nature strays to the "Dark Side", horrific things happen.
For this reason, the battle flag must be viewed in the proper context. It is not inherently good, nor is it inherently evil. It started out as a flag. It has come to represent opposite viewpoints about a terrible time in our history. Zealous adherents to both viewpoints have wrapped the flag around their particular emotional baggage.
Strip away the emotions, however, and you have a conversation piece. Moreover, you have a conversation starter, not a conversation ender.
Fly the flag and keep the conversation flowing, so that we may all be empowered. Putting it away puts discourse out of reach, too, and diminishes all of us.
We need reminders, especially symbols, of human nature's capabilities, so that we can intelligently choose to repeat the good acts and to shun the bad ones.
Never has "out of sight, out of mind" been so dangerous.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/22/confederate-flag-and-party-lincoln.html?intcmp=obinsite
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I wonder if he thinks that the Nazi swastika needs to be kept alive as well. The Nazi ideology that many Germans voted for was against the rampant inflation of the German economy, which collapsed because of the huge WWI reparations Germany was forced to pay. The Nazis started huge building projects, like the autobahns, draining swamps, building airports and putting millions of people to work again. Of course, this was done by taking money from the Jews, many of whom profited when impoverished Germans pawned their gold and other valuables. Jews were seen as unpatriotic opportunists. Most of them were not, but the ones the Germans borrowed money from were not likely to complain when the government shut them down and used the money to create jobs.
Of course, the Nazis went from bad to worse, and the premise of the Nazi Party was racist and based on exploiting a minority that was helpless to defend itself.
Rather like the Confederate States of America.
Hitler copied a LOT of his ideas from the Americans: The Pennsylvania Turnpike inspired the Autobahns, the Model T inspired the Volkswagen (originally called the Kraft Durch Freude ~ Strength through Joy), The American Eugenics movement inspired the elimination of mentally and physically impaired people, and the labor camps staffed with members of "inferior races" were inspired by American slavery. Nazism can be seen as the Dark Side of American Progress.
Prior to the Civil War, it is usually ignored that the South won a lot of victories over the North in the courts. The Dred Scott decision made it possible for slaveholders to bring their slaves to the North, it made kidnapping free Black and enslaving them a very lucrative occupation, and the South was very close to making California effectively a slave state.
The North was NOT persecuting the South, other than requiring Southern ports to pay the usual taxes on imports and the like into the federal government. The South fired the first shot, not the North.
The guy who wrote this will not be disappointed. All that has happened is that the Rebel flag has been banned from PUBLIC places. Any fool can still stick it on his bumper, fly the flag from his yard, have it tattooed anywhere he chooses on his body, and this is sure to continue.
I would not be surprised if we start seeing more and more Rebel flags all over the place. Just as gun nuts felt threatened and bought more guns after Obama was elected, they will feel that their Rebel flag is threatened, and there will be no shortage of flags available, once importers get rolling printing up the things. After Juniorbush declared his stupid useless war. one out of three cars in Miami had American flags fluttering from them. Now you don't see any. It was a fad and it died out.
The Rebel flag will multiply, become a fad for a short time, and die out in pretty much the same way.
It will continue to linger, as Klan hoods and trappings have lingered. Every year it will be more irrelevant.
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It is bad to waste a crisis.
You are correct Plane.....it's such a freaking joke!
Walmart Refuses to Make Confederate Flag Cake,
No Problem with Making ISIS Cake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7ePFollQQE
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Actually that makes sense to me. Nobody will recognize isis but everybody know about the flag and the reaction it potentially incur
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Actually that makes sense to me. Nobody will recognize isis but everybody know about the flag and the reaction it potentially incur
yes perfect sense...happily make the cake for ISIS and maybe Hitler?
but...no no no Confederate Flag cakes ::)
after seeing many recent polls that show what morons a lot of people are
tons of people on the street including blacks would have no idea what the Confederate flag was either.
Major retailer brands banning the Confederate flag will not end sales of the flag, instead it will now put that money in the hands of smaller business entities that make it harder for the politically correct mafia to bully and silence free speech. The Confederate Flag is still going to be sold, but now they will be sold by independents across America.
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Here's the problem......no one has a right not to be offended.....period. That's a foundation to the 1st amendment. Xo is right, in that if local Governments wish to not fly the confderate flag on Government grounds, so be it. That's not the American stars & stripe flag, its just a historical flag. It doesn't represent or equate to slavery any more than any current southern plantation does, which is why its ludicrous to blame any actions on a flag.
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I dont think of it as a symbol of slavery but as a symbol that americans has no right to tell immigrants what to do. Ex. English only
When the government can't even stop a symbol of a lost rebel facttion from being raise then it can't impose any requirement from immigrants. It can't exactly use a contxt of unity since that flag totally does not mean that in anyway.q
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However Kimba, every country, has the absolute right to mandate that any immigrants learn their language, as a condition of chosing to live there. It by no means implies you can't maintain your cultural identity and language, merely that as a prerequisate for living in a country, that you make the overt effort to lean their language.
It's not the Government's function to try and apply any and every cultural standard and language in order for Government to function. That's a grossly unfair added obligation to tax payers to try and supply any and all other forms of language materials. Government has far more important functions, which is mandated by Government to perform, and payed for by the tax payers. That doesn't prevent from any private company or business to do whatever they want to do, to better appease immigrants, but any country has an absolute right to mandate that you learn their language, as a requisate for staying long term
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It can't exactly use a contxt of unity since that flag totally does not mean that in anyway.q
Yes it absolutely does mean unity...unity in the sense if the Federal Govt over-reaches
and ignores the constitution then the words of the Declaration of Independence ring true:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness". Secession is a Right!
I guess we should get rid of the Stars and Stripes that fly today as well? Far more blacks have been brutalized under that flag, than the Confederate flag. If not, then the outcry isn't real. Look what has happened to blacks in this country since the civil war. Just in numbers the flag of today has a much more offensive history!
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I dont think of it as a symbol of slavery but as a symbol that americans has no right to tell immigrants what to do. Ex. English only
When the government can't even stop a symbol of a lost rebel facttion from being raise then it can't impose any requirement from immigrants. It can't exactly use a contxt of unity since that flag totally does not mean that in anyway.q
Wow.
That is different.
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I wonder if he thinks that the Nazi swastika needs to be kept alive as well.
Yes why not? this is a good irritant. My father would have reminded me of how many bullet holes he had put into swastika marked wings, but he would not have favored repeal of the first admendment any more than I. The Nazi ideology that many Germans voted for was against the rampant inflation of the German economy, which collapsed because of the huge WWI reparations Germany was forced to pay. The Nazis started huge building projects, like the autobahns, draining swamps, building airports and putting millions of people to work again.
worked for FDR too. Of course, this was done by taking money from the Jews, many of whom profited when impoverished Germans pawned their gold and other valuables. Jews were seen as unpatriotic opportunists. Most of them were not, but the ones the Germans borrowed money from were not likely to complain when the government shut them down and used the money to create jobs..
FDR did most of his work on credit, which had a completely different downside than robbing a minority had, pretty soon we were accepting payments from the empires of Britain and the Soviet Union so the credit bet paid off very well.
Of course, the Nazis went from bad to worse, and the premise of the Nazi Party was racist and based on exploiting a minority that was helpless to defend itself.
Rather like the Confederate States of America.
I will accept this, not because I like it , but because it is largely the truth . Sometimes the truth is what it is. Hitler copied a LOT of his ideas from the Americans: The Pennsylvania Turnpike inspired the Autobahns, the Model T inspired the Volkswagen (originally called the Kraft Durch Freude ~ Strength through Joy), The American Eugenics movement inspired the elimination of mentally and physically impaired people, and the labor camps staffed with members of "inferior races" were inspired by American slavery. Nazism can be seen as the Dark Side of American Progress..
Don't forget how inspiring Gobbles found American skill at propaganda.
Prior to the Civil War, it is usually ignored that the South won a lot of victories over the North in the courts. The Dred Scott decision made it possible for slaveholders to bring their slaves to the North, it made kidnapping free Black and enslaving them a very lucrative occupation, and the South was very close to making California effectively a slave state..
The South probably should not have panicked so badly at the election of a Republican , if Lincoln had been the president of the USA with a surly but still loyal south progress might have occurred at mush less cost, at a much slower pace.
The North was NOT persecuting the South, other than requiring Southern ports to pay the usual taxes on imports and the like into the federal government. .
This is hardly all they ever did.The South fired the first shot, not the North. .
Fighting was a mutual choice, if the Northern force had withdrawn peacefully the Civil War might have been put off for a generation.
The guy who wrote this will not be disappointed. All that has happened is that the Rebel flag has been banned from PUBLIC places. Any fool can still stick it on his bumper, fly the flag from his yard, have it tattooed anywhere he chooses on his body, and this is sure to continue.
I would not be surprised if we start seeing more and more Rebel flags all over the place..
Very astute. Just as gun nuts felt threatened and bought more guns after Obama was elected, they will feel that their Rebel flag is threatened, and there will be no shortage of flags available, once importers get rolling printing up the things. After Juniorbush declared his stupid useless war. one out of three cars in Miami had American flags fluttering from them. Now you don't see any. It was a fad and it died out.
The Rebel flag will multiply, become a fad for a short time, and die out in pretty much the same way.
It will continue to linger, as Klan hoods and trappings have lingered. Every year it will be more irrelevant.
The political relevance of the Confederate Battle Flag is already mooted, it has not had a real political friend for twenty years, I heard Governor Barnes being interviewed on GPB yesterday and he is not at all sorry yet.
So suppose it does fade into the mists of history , seldom seen outside of museums.
What is the better symbol ?
It has been suggested that Southern White people should choose a new symbol , one less stained with shameful deeds .
Ok What? In spite of our history , I don't think we want to fly the blank flag.
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I meant English only. i often hear from people i should only learn this. And as s context of unity. But i see the confederate flag as proof that not true . The context of tax burden seems to not aply too well with my folks since we do have a fairly high college graduation rate and dont recall took that great a strain on the government at all.
i dont recall anyone whose multilingual has ever been thought lacking at all.
i do object not learning english but is highly forgiving if they can't. Its kinda like learning another language is my defaut answer. Somehow people forget this one small detail about learning English and not see how difficult it is . Whats tough for me since it's totally completely different from my birth language. English is now my primary language but I still pause to figure out what the hell people are saying to me. I think americans are forgetting how to speak english
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The ability to learn a language varies greatly with people, especially adults.Not all adults can learn a new language to use it effectively, others are able to learn it to a native fluency in under a year. It is related to both mathematical and musical ability in that it employs the same parts of the brain.
I do not know why the South needs a symbol. There are the state flags, there are state birds, flowers, insects, animals and even reptiles.
The North has managed to get along well without any symbol, after all.
I agree that public works and the CCC did rescue the economy from the Depression. There are many right wing detractors who curse his name and memory and claim that he only made the Depression worse. He did not spend enough money, and when he did (on the War), the economy recovered very well.
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I do not know why the South needs a symbol.
Well good for you...you don't have to have one or approve mine...2EachHisOwn!
For those of us that do want one we think and know Southerners are different...
(not 100% Dr. Literal)....but the South is different.
We like that....I love the South....the dialects..the accents....the conservatism...etc etc...
All you gotta do is travel to notice it....even my Moroccan friend noticed it.
He landed in NY, lived there awhile...then headed South
He was like "wow...the people are so much friendlier".
Every Confederate flag can be taken down
and the main group protesting will still have 70% of their children born to single mothers
and no idea of the sperm donor and for those that do want to work,
a higher unemployment rate that any other ethnic group.
The flag controversy is a diversion to keep their eyes off the real problems
This flag issue in the big picture has nothing to do with race...
It's mainly all about what Washington knows is coming...
They know the people are not going to put up with this Washington DC bullshit forever.
The latest Confederate Flag BS and things like Jade Helm is about Washington sending a message of... don't try it.
Shelby Foote on the Confederate Flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9J8P6WfS7w
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BTW....Walmart has now apologized for making an ISIS Cake....
So until the next apology....
http://www.fox4news.com/story/29433744/walmart-apologizes-for-baking-isis-cake
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Why on Earth should they apologize? Was anyone harmed in the least?
The cake was not made to recruit soldiers for Isis, it is a cake, and therefore not a permanent thing.
This whole thing was just a silly tale of some guy playing "Gotcha!"
Big deal. He proved that more Walmart bakers recognize the Rebel flag than the Isis flag.
This is just a dumb stunt.
No one needs to apologize for simply doing business as usual that turns out to be a stupid stunt so someone can post it on Youtube.
If you do not like it, boycot WalMart. Boycott Betty Fucking Crocker too.
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Unlike you, I have actually LIVED in the South: Maryland, WV, VA and FL.
I did not say people are not friendlier.
But the Rebel flag is the banner of the antisegregationists and has been since 1955 or so,
The people talking about removing the flag are not Washington politicians, they are South Carolinians, Alabamans, Southerners all.
You should feel fucking raptured about how the flag is just a symbol, because otherwise they would be talking about your goddamned murderous guns in the hand of fanatics.
The other real problem in this country is poverty. For every dollar a White family has in assets, a Black family has less than one thing dime. None of your glorious Republican'ts want to do one fucking thing about that. They want to lower taxes on the people that have nearly all the money and reduce Earned income credits for the people that have very little.
No one gives a shit about Benghazi.
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Why on Earth should they apologize?
Of course they should not apologize for making ISIS Flag cakes
and of course they should not apologize for making Rebel flag cakes.
This whole thing was just a silly tale of some guy playing "Gotcha!"
Exactly...as is the faux outrage over the Rebel flag.
If you do not like it, boycot WalMart. Boycott Betty Fucking Crocker too.
Exactly and that's what the faux outrage people should do over the Rebel flag.
But as earlier stated....I love that the big corporates that have to kow-tow to political correctness stopped
so that smaller entities that do not bow down to the elites can now make that money.
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The Rebel flag has been quite simply a way that never say die racists flip the bird at Black people and let them know that they've got too much already and they should think their lucky stars for the Yankees or they'd still be out in the fields picking cotton where God intended them to be.
But anyone that wants a Rebel flag can surely get one somewhere. Perhaps "Christians" can peddle Rebel flags and sop all that redneck cash that WalMart used to earn by selling these things.
The objection is not to WalMart or anyone selling these flags, it is about taxpayers who think they are racist statements being obliged to pay for them fluttering on state-managed property.
The result will be that cheapjack smaller companies will start selling Rebel flags, and because quadrupling their money is better than doubling it, they will order them from (where else?) China. This will mean that China will open several factories that produce flags and will stimulate a need for red, white and blue yarn (what they call thread) and of course, they will also offer American flags as well, probably labeled something likethis:
AMERICAN PATRIOT FLAG COMPANY
Proudly designed in the United States of America
Made in PRC
And it will be more difficult to find an actual American flag made in the US.
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As stated earlier the American Flag has been the symbol of much greater hardship, terror, and human rights abuses against
African Americans (and others) than the Confederate Flag ever was....but that's ok....we tend to ignore reality when we have a myth to peddle.
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It wasn't under the Confederate Flag that genocide was carried out against the American Indian.
It wasn't under the Confederate Flag that tens of thousands of Japanese Americans who rounded up and
forced into relocation/incarceration camps?
It wasn't under the Confederate flag that the "Tuskegee syphilis experiment" was carried out against African Americans.
It wasn't under the Confederate Flag that the US has been the world's largest single entity environmental polluter.
So forgive me if I vomit while pondering the total bullshit high-horse-ness of those attacking the Confederate Flag.
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The South fired the first shot, not the North.
Ha Ha....yeah lets not put any context with that statement and hope shit floats.
South Carolina and other southern states withdrew from the Union.
They formed a new nation called the Confederate States of America.
But Abraham Lincoln, the president of the United States, said the southern states did not have right to secede.
And he said he would not accept the South's demand to remove U.S. soldiers from South Carolina.
Instead of leaving peacefully the Union soldiers refused to leave a base in Charleston Harbor called Fort Sumter.
So after the Union soldiers refusal the Confederate leaders ordered an attack.
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Fort Sumter was an American Naval base and the North did not recognize South Carolina's secession. The South fired the first shots. If you read any newspaper article written at the time, you will see that the leaders of Charleston were warmongering pricks who welcomed war. After five years of war, most of said pricks were deceased, their property destroyed, and all their slaves were free. Charleston was a major port used in the slave trade, though importing slaves was illegal by 1860. Southern planters preferred to breed their own slaves and did not want competition. The main source of revenue of the US in 1860 was tariffs on imports from abroad, and as a part of the Union, the port of Charleston was a place where tariffs were collected.
The court decisions prior to John Brown's raid favored the South, as the allowed any Southern slaveholder capable of bringing his slaves into any state and continue to hold them in bondage. It also made the kidnapping, transportation and sale of free Blacks legal. Most of the leaders of the officially Free State of California were pro-slavery.
The Southern States did not, it turns out, have the right to secede. The Civil War pretty much proved that.
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Fort Sumter was part of South Carolina.
S.C. left the Union and joined the Confederacy before the battle took place.
If Union troops had been in their own country instead of a foreign one then Fort Sumter never happens.
The South had zero motivation to start a war.
They left the U.S. peacefully.
If they had wanted war they would've left violently.
The North started the war because they did not like the South's decision.
It does not matter who fired the first shot.
The North had no business being in a foreign country
without permission from said country.
BTW....the Confederates were not traitors.
They left the Union.
Nothing treasonous about that.
If you migrate to another country are you not a traitor to the country you left.
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South Carolina was never a part of a foreign country. The Confederacy was an illegal and nonexistent entity, and the war proved it.
Again, all you have to do is read any of the Confederate newspapers and every goddamned one of them was all about fighting a war, which the lamebrains all said would be over by Christmas.
I have actually read history. You are versed in stupid propaganda.
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The North has managed to get along well without any symbol, after all.
Yes , weird that.
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That is not the symbol of the North. It represents the entire country.
The poem on it does not reflect the current attitudes regarding immigration.
We are not accepting the "wretched refuse of your teeming shores" any longer. I think the evidence is pretty clear that we never did.
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We are not accepting the "wretched refuse of your teeming shores" any longer.
I think the evidence is pretty clear that we never did.
Uh?
Doesn't the US have more people immigrating here than any other country in the world?
Who lets in more people than we do?
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EWe do not admit "the wretched refuse" of anyone's teeming shores. We do not admit lepers, gypsies, people with AIDS and a whole lot more.
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EWe do not admit "the wretched refuse" of anyone's teeming shores. We do not admit lepers, gypsies, people with AIDS and a whole lot more.
no we let in tons of lawbreakers....and that's not just people crossing illegal
we let in lots of uneducated poor people and lots of "wretched scum criminals"
lots of gang members as well as lots of scum that kill, rob, murder, drive drunk and maim law abiding citizens
check out the US prison populations that houses tens of thousands of illegal immigrants
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EWe do not admit "the wretched refuse" of anyone's teeming shores. We do not admit lepers, gypsies, people with AIDS and a whole lot more.
no we let in tons of lawbreakers....and that's not just people crossing illegal
we let in lots of uneducated poor people and lots of "wretched scum criminals"
lots of gang members as well as lots of scum that kill, rob, murder, drive drunk and maim law abiding citizens
check out the US prison populations that houses tens of thousands of illegal immigrants
Watch yourself , Donald Trump just got FIRED for making similar observations.
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The point I am making is that for whatever reason, the USA never admitted everyone that wanted to come, willy-nilly, at least after the Civil War.
Perhaps Emma Lazarus thought of herself and her fellow Eastern European Jews as wretched refuse. I think there were many in Russia that saw them that way.
There are mistakes made in admitting certain people to this country, but it is more a matter of character than a matter of nationality.
Still, we are definitely better off without Yugoslavian Gypsies. In particular the tribes of pickpocket families.
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What a really STOOPID comment. It is difficult to remember when anyone posted anything so utterly lame here.
The premise that all murders are caused by flags and somehow ONLY by flags is inane and ignorant. No one claims this.
Not only is this a totally lame and idiotic post, it is not even original. CU4 apparently felt that he was incapable of truly monumental stupidity and sought it out from the Stupidity Central that is racist ratbag right wing websites.
No one said that all murders are only the result of flags.
And you do not give a shit about Chicago, anyway.
The Rebel flag is a symbol of racism. It did not cause Roof to murder those people, but the racist Confederate Cause that the flag represented was responsible for warping his mind to do what it did.
Seeing people with the Confederate flag sent a message to the twisted mind of Roof, it let him know that he was not alone in his hatred of Black people and his belief that they all were conspiring to rape "his" women and steal "his" country.
There is no reason for the State of South Carolina to support the presence of this symbol of racism on the capitol grounds of a state that should respect ALL its citizens.
People who worship this stupid flag can own all the goddamn racist flags they want: they can have it tattooed on their fucking foreheads.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/bubba-watson-announces-hell-paint-over-confederate-flag-on-general-lee/ar-AAcuM5h
That is it , it is over.
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Why not rename the car as well?
The Dukes of Hazzard were not plantation owners, they were moonshiners.
The Civil War was NOT about the free distribution of moonshine.
Robert E Lee was not celebrated as a whisky drinker, Grant was the whisky aficionado.
A more appropriate name would be something like George Dickel, Jack Daniel, Jim Beam.
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The Civil War was NOT about the free distribution of moonshine.
Yes.
That was the Whisky Rebellion vs George Washington.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
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There were no fast cars involved. And it took part in Pennsylvania. And the Rebels lost and peacefully gave up, not bothering the country with crap about states rights, holy flags and sanctified heroes.
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There were no fast cars involved. And it took part in Pennsylvania. And the Rebels lost and peacefully gave up, not bothering the country with crap about states rights, holy flags and sanctified heroes.
But where did they go?
And did they ever stop making whisky?
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I think they paid taxes on the whiskey they made after the Rebellion. Congress also funded all weather wagon roads, mostly made of timber, that made it easier to transport farm products.
Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are not noted for whiskey today. This was before Bourbon was invented. It was mostly just rot gut corn whiskey, not even as smooth as moonshine today.
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I think they paid taxes on the whiskey they made after the Rebellion.
Perhaps some did , but a lot moved West and South.
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Somewhere, someone has written a dissertation on this.
Pennsylvanians typically migrated to Ohio and Virginia. People in Massachusetts migrated to Maine or began to work in the textile mills in cities like Fall River.