<<The benefits of Commumnism ARE famine ,the worst famine of all human history .>>
Bullshit. The benefits of Communism are that China has been lifted from its subservient position to the point where its economy has overtaken that of most of the world and by mid-century will probably overtake the U.S.A. as well, not only economically but in all probability in military power as well.
Famine, which had plagued China for 4,000 years on a regular and severe basis (as was even documented by the source that Ami provided) has now been eliminated for the first time in history. If "the benefits of Communism are famine" then one has to ask,
"Where is this famine now, after 60 years of Communist rule?" One would surely have to expect that if 10 years of Communism resulted in "the worst famine of all human history," that SIXTY YEARS of Communism would surely have killed them all off long ago. Perhaps we are looking at a nation of zombies or ghosts, the real Chinese people having died of starvation years ago?
plane, your view of history is so crazed by the fanatical anti-Communist bullshit produced by your own lying government and private capitalist sources for all of your life that you are not able to make any sense out of the world even when all the evidence is staring you right in the face. What you claim as historical fact is so at odds with reality that even a few seconds of logical analysis brings the whole temple of lies down in ruins, yet you persist in the fantasy that your dying capitalism, incapable of supporting itself without massive public bail-outs lifted from your own pockets before your very eyes, is the best way forward, and that Communism, adaptable to change and flexible in theory, intelligently applied by the dictatorship of the proletariat, produces nothing but famine.
<<And a coverup so tight that even people who want to prove it isn't so have nothing to go on.>>
TRANSLATION: I don't have any evidence, you don't have any evidence, so we can only assume (1) that China suffered "the worst famine of all human history" some fifty years ago and (2) that it has been covered up until now.
plane,
at the most, you
MAY have some evidence that a famine occurred about fifty years ago (in roughly the first decade of Communist rule and following
four thousand years of periodic famine in China under non-communist rule) and that Communist policies MAY have contributed in SOME degree to its having occurred. You have NO reliable evidence that whatever famine may have occurred was "the worst in human history." As we say so often in this forum, shit happens. Nobody's perfect. Mistakes can be made. Since that time, there has been no more famine in China. Today I believe that China has overtaken the U.S.A. in such indices of consumer living as number of automobiles in private use, number of cell phones in private use, number of home computers, number of internet accounts, etc. Whatever the comparable indices of consumer living were in the 20th C. prior to the advent of Communism in China, you can bet your ass that China did not surpass anybody in anything and that none of this relative advance in living standards over any other country began until after the success of the Chinese Revolution.
However none of the above facts or logic will or can stop you from desperately clinging to the mantra that Chinese Communism has produced nothing except famine for the people. All that you have succeeded in convincing me of is the depth and thoroughness of the brainwashing that you have been subjected to, and the desperate need that you seem to have to justify the superiority of your collapsing system in the face of all evidence to the contrary.
<<Are you really saying that Chineese people could not count after a mere decade of Communism? The census shows millions fewer names and eyewitnesses recount piled corpses , what we have here is the same thing as the Holocaust of WWII Europe , but with the perpetrator winning and completing his coverup the way that Hitler probly intended to.>>
Now you're also an expert on what the Chinese Communist leadership INTENDED? What, you read their minds? Is it not equally possible that they fucked up, unintentionally produced
or were unable to stop a famine which, while accounting for the memories of "piled corpses," falls far, far short of being "the worst in human history," and was covered up for the same kind of reasons that led the U.S. government to cover up both the My Lai Massacre and the more recent New Baghdad Massacre? Does the mere fact of the cover-up indicate that either of those two massacres was "the worst massacre in all of history?"
<<The only reason for secrecy here is shame. There is no secret wepon in famine or prosperity , but to seduce the world with the false promises of Communism it is needfull to hide its incompetance at feeding its people. If they had success and prosperity it would have paid them well to show it off.
<<If it is the fact that the Chineese were actually dieing faster and over a wider area while under the care of Mao than when under the thumb of the Imperial Japaneese or the Imperial British then the theroy of "benefits" of Communism is entirely disproved , thus the need for secrecy.>>
Even if they had something to hide - - as for example, the U.S. had reason to hide the My Lai Massacre - - how on earth do you get from the notion that a screw-up was hidden to the notion that a hidden screw-up is "the worst in all of history?" How do you get from the notion that a screw-up was hidden to the notion that the hidden screw-up is not just "
a" screw-up but proof positive that the system that screwed up can never work?
At the very MOST, plane, your argument is that they screwed up, big-time or small-time,
fifty years ago, and therefore despite all other contrary evidence of progress made, they are a failure. Not much of an argument, I'm afraid.
