Nasrallah: "If Israel wants open war, so be it"

[sirs]

Charity is one of the Five Pillars of Islam. I think 10% is the recommended donation.

As it is with Christianity.  Guess we can rely on the church tithes to care for the elderly instead of Social Security, eh?

 

[Christians4LessGvt]

>>I was just guessing ...<<

Oh brother ... can you believe this?

He always assumes the best about the worst!

[Michael Tee]

<<He always assumes the best about the worst!>>

Who says Islam is the worst?  If you rank religions by the number of Jews killed by them, Christianity is right up there at the top of the heap. 

Do you know for a fact that they DON'T take care of their elderly?

Do you know anything about them at all that didn't come from Daniel Pipes, Bernard Lewis, Barry Rubin or David Horowitz?

[Amianthus]

Do you know for a fact that they DON'T take care of their elderly?

Findings of empirical studies document the existence of substantial unmet medical and social needs among rural and urban elderly in Iran.

Naghavi A. Ageing of the population and its effects on social security system. Political Econ Informat J 1997; 4: 147-56.

[Michael Tee]

<<Do you know for a fact that they DON'T take care of their elderly?>>

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<<Findings of empirical studies document the existence of substantial unmet medical and social needs among rural and urban elderly in Iran.
<<Naghavi A. Ageing of the population and its effects on social security system. Political Econ Informat J 1997; 4: 147-56.>>

Wow.  THAT was impressive.  I guess what I should have asked was, Do you know for a fact that their elderly are substantially worse off than America's elderly?

[Amianthus]

Wow.  THAT was impressive.  I guess what I should have asked was, Do you know for a fact that their elderly are substantially worse off than America's elderly?

America is not ruled under Sharia Law. Which is where the question came from.

And yes, we have Social Security and Medicare.

[Plane]

I remember seeing beggars in Bahrain , in the midst of opulencethere were old women covered in black cloth looking like a bundle of sticks or a bag of trash on he walkway . Their hands stretched out were also covered in cloth so that their skin showed not at all , I gave a bit to one of these silent women who murmured something I took to be thanks or a prayer . Later I learned that some of these were lepers , that would explain the extreme thinness.

Nearer home American beggars are most often panhandlers who strike up a conversation , offer to make a trade or tell you about an emergency that has just happened to them. My favorite on here in WR has a drastically scarred face from cancer and a prized possesion , a new bicycle.The first time I met him I bought him a sandwitch and a coke , the second time he told me he could only eat special food.

[Xavier_Onassis]

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<<Findings of empirical studies document the existence of substantial unmet medical and social needs among rural and urban elderly in Iran.
<<Naghavi A. Ageing of the population and its effects on social security system. Political Econ Informat J 1997; 4: 147-56.>>

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Nasrallah is in Hezbollah, which is in Lebanon. Iran and Lebanon are different countries.
Iran is not ruled by Sharia Law, it is a mostly Shiite country

Perhaps Islam does not take adequate care of its infirm and elderly. These are ancient countries and rather backward. The population of all of them is many more than it was a hundred years ago, and illness and life expectancy has surely risen in that time.

I suggest that this is the responsibility of the local people. It is a bit silly to impose modern American standards on nations that are neither modern nor American.

[Amianthus]

Iran is not ruled by Sharia Law, it is a mostly Shiite country

The Council interprets the constitution and may veto Parliament. If a law is deemed incompatible with the constitution or Sharia (Islamic law), it is referred back to Parliament for revision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Government_and_politics

Legal system:
         based on Sharia law system; has not accepted compulsory ICJ jurisdiction

https://www.odci.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html#Govt

[Michael Tee]

<<And yes, we have Social Security and Medicare.>>

Uhh, with all due respect, that is no answer to the question of whether Iran's elderly, with their admitted deficits in what they need socially and medically, are worse off than America's elderly.

[The_Professor]

Charity is one of the Five Pillars of Islam. I think 10% is the recommended donation.

As it is with Christianity.  Guess we can rely on the church tithes to care for the elderly instead of Social Security, eh?

 

Actually, churches did a good job, but now the Government does it a lot more. Churches have generally abdicated their role in this regard.

[The_Professor]

<<Do you know for a fact that they DON'T take care of their elderly?>>

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<<Findings of empirical studies document the existence of substantial unmet medical and social needs among rural and urban elderly in Iran.
<<Naghavi A. Ageing of the population and its effects on social security system. Political Econ Informat J 1997; 4: 147-56.>>

Wow.  THAT was impressive.  I guess what I should have asked was, Do you know for a fact that their elderly are substantially worse off than America's elderly?

Is relevative important? I mean, if the poor or elderly have needs, they are needs. Yuo keep searching for justificaiton. There are poor and elderly in Muslim countries. Surely, you do not dispute this?

[Michael Tee]

<<Is relevative important? I mean, if the poor or elderly have needs, they are needs. Yuo keep searching for justificaiton. There are poor and elderly in Muslim countries. Surely, you do not dispute this?>>

There is just this attitude that if it happens in a Muslim country it must be bad.  Ooooooh, there are poor and neglected elderly in Iran!  Shocking.

Well, guess what?  My point is, there are poor and neglected elderly EVERYWHERE.  Yes, even in America, there are unmet needs.  Crazy, huh?

[Amianthus]

Uhh, with all due respect, that is no answer to the question of whether Iran's elderly, with their admitted deficits in what they need socially and medically, are worse off than America's elderly.

So? Regardless, the original claim was:

I was just guessing, don't know all that much about Sharia law, but I was pretty sure that it did.

How do you know that it doesn't?

I don't see anything in there about "worse or better than America."

[Michael Tee]

Yes.

But then the thread continued, where you produced evidence that elderly Iranians had unmet social and medical needs, I asked if the U.S. was any different, and you then revealed that the U.S. had social security and medicare.