DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on June 14, 2016, 10:49:51 AM
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Trump incorrectly claimed that Omar Mateen was born in Afghanistan,. This is not true and Trump either knoew this ands lied, or is just effing ignorant. Then he says tha6t Masteen PARENTS should have been excluded.
This is important because there is NO WAY Immigration can exclude a qualified refugee from the country based on what his UNBORN CHILDREN might become.
Omar Mateen was born in the USA. Immigration could not exclude him. His father is not a terrorist or a bad person, and was not one when he was admitted.
Trump says all Muslims must be excluded "until we figure this out". What is there to figure out? How to predict what some immigrant's yet unborn child might become?
Trump's speech is both inaccurate and ignorant. Trump is either smart enough to know that he is spewing nonsense or he knowingly spews it to get the rabble, the dimwits ans the lumpenproletarians riled up. Either way, it shows how totally INCOMPETENT and UNFIT this schmuck is to be president of this country.
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Seriously? This is what you're going to try and hang your hat on? That he may have been in error as to what Country Mateen was born? Its on record that he's an American born Muslim.
Let's put it this way...Trump didn't even make the qualifying rounds when it comes to Clinton's Gold Medal performance for lying & incompotence
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Trump is a ranting fool. All you have to do is listen to him.
How can you screen out immigrants based on what their (innocent) unborn children might become?
How long would Trump's prohibition of Muslin=ms last if we had to wait until we had a formula to predict the personality of their (innocent) unborn children?
I'd say forever, or until this scurvy swine was impeached and thrown out of office.
I graciously added the word (innocent) just to make you happy, sirs.
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Clinton is a corrupt fool. All you have to do is listen to her.
(that's how this works right?...just say so, and that makes it so, right?)
And she is in no way innocent, either
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Clinton knows more about government than Trump by far.
Trump is best at ripping people off in his casinos, real estate scams and phony "universities"
Trump does not think anything through before he shoots off his mouth and says really dumb shit, like saying that Mateen's parents should have been denied entry because of what Mateen turned out to be three decades later.
That is just stupid. Trump has not submitted his tax forms and has said that he will not do so.
Why do you suppose that is?
Every candidate since Nixon has done this. Trump has wicked shit to hide, obviously.
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Oh, there's no doubt that Clinton knows exponentially more about the corruption and back door deals that Trump could never possibly reach
And you really have no leg to stand on in trying to claim something to hide, while your gal not only used a private server against all Federal rules/laws, but tried to completely wipe it clean, before being made to hand it over to the FBI. Nice try, though
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I have a private computer, so do you.
When will Trump show us his tax returns?
Why do you think he should not do what every other candidate since Nixon has done?
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We don't work for the Government. We're not mandated to use a Government Computer, as the SOS is. We're not mandated to back up EVERYTHING performed on that server, as the SoS is. Like I said, you have no leg to stand on, in trying to claim something to hide
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I work for the Government .
If I just bring a blank flash memory to work I will be fired and prosecuted.
My part of the government takes security seriously.
This e-Mail thing is a lot worse than just that Hillary considers herself exempt from the rules.
Her obvious motive is to have her actions and choices escape the FOIA and the knowledge of the public.
This is very serious that as Secretary of State she thought her personal security from the American people was more important than the governments security against its enemies.
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I work for the Government .
If I just bring a blank flash memory to work I will be fired and prosecuted.
My part of the government takes security seriously.
This e-Mail thing is a lot worse than just that Hillary considers herself exempt from the rules.
Her obvious motive is to have her actions and choices escape the FOIA and the knowledge of the public.
This is very serious that as Secretary of State she thought her personal security from the American people was more important than the governments security against its enemies.
BINGO!
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They have been harping on this server crap for over a year now. If it were actually seriously important, they would have t9ied it all up in three months.
Trump is the threat to this country, not Hillary. As President she will use the White House server and this will be moot.
Trump is an ignorant and a stupid demagogue. He is the least competent presidential candidate ever,
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They have been harping on this server crap for over a year now. If it were actually seriously important, they would have t9ied it all up in three months.
Now you can understand why The Dems, made sure to obstruct and drag this out for so long. Without that level of Obstruction, with the help of the White House, it would have been.
Trump is the threat to this country, not Hillary.
Clinton is the one who actually put this country at grave risk, and compromised national security, simply to keep whatever she was doing as SoS and with the Clinton Foundation, a secret from congressional oversight. That makes her the FAR bigger threat, than what Trump has or hasn't done about his taxes.
As President she will use the White House server and this will be moot.
Why would it be moot? She can claim the same need
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They have been harping on this server crap for over a year now. If it were actually seriously important, they would have t9ied it all up in three months.
Trump is the threat to this country, not Hillary. As President she will use the White House server and this will be moot.
Trump is an ignorant and a stupid demagogue. He is the least competent presidential candidate ever,
If they followed the law to the letter , Hillary Clinton would be on trial by now.
Do not call it less serious just because she has the clout to beat the rap.
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His father is not a terrorist or a bad person,
We are not sure of that.
The father has expressed support for the Islamist Taliban group which has killed many US soldiers.
We certainly don't need to be importing people into our country that are Taliban supporters.
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The father of the Orlando shooter was not a Taliban supporter when he arrived here, so this point is moot.
The actual enemy in Afghanistan was not the Taliban, it was Al Qaeda. The US fights the Taliban because it is resisting the government the US arranged to install in Afghanistan.
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan because Brzezinski was using it to sent Muslim religious fanatics, trained in Saudi Arabia into Soviet Central Asia , to destabilize that part of the Soviet Union. His motive was vengeance on the Soviets because decades before, Stalin wiped out most of the Polish aristocracy in Katyn Woods,and blamed it on Hitler. The US erroneously allowed the Polish fanatic, Brzezinski to use our country for a program that was contrary to US interests. This is the sort of black ops crap the CIA has done for years that have endangered our country and our people.
Why should Trump not show his tax forms like every other candidate?
I accuse all of you of dodging this issue. This is entirely unrelated to Hillary.
Why give this exploitative asshole. of all people, a pass?
If Hillary can do this, so can Trump.
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That's because what Clinton DID do, was far more destructive to the security of this country, than what Trump is being ALLEDGED to have done. THAT's how its completely related
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It is totally unrelated.
Trump should show his tax forms, just as Hillary should reveal her e mail.
Trump is a dangerous ignorant demagogue. He is far more likely to confiscate your goddamed guns than Hillary. He is far more likely to censor newspapers and to monger unnecessary wars than Hillary.
The Kochs, the National Chamber of Commerce. the Cato Clowns and many other reactionary groups have been funding Hillaryhater crap since the Clintons first appeared on the scene, and you gullible fools fell for it. Limbaugh and other rightwing rantsters have been part of their plan for decades.
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The "hiding" is what you're hung on, and what makes it related (and why you have no credible leg to stand on making such an allegation). You keep presuming that whatever Trump hasn't produced must be nefarious. While what Clinton DID, in trying to hide what she was doing, was not only against Federal law and rules established when she took office, but put this country and its security in absolute risk. FAR more dangerous than anything Trump has ever uttered
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Well, we have seen Hillary's tax returns. We have not seen Trump's.
Why not? Trump knows, Bet your sweet bippy his accountant knows.
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Tax returns are a literal nothing compared to the national security stuff she had hidden on her server, that nearly every tech expert believes was hacked by multiple entities and governments.
What Clinton DID, in trying to hide what she was doing, was not only against Federal law and rules established when she took office, but put this country and its security in absolute risk. FAR more dangerous than anything Trump has ever supposedly hidden, as it relates to taxes
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Tax returns are not nothing compared to anything, Trump should produce his tax returns IMMEDIATELY.
And there is no reason to compare his refusal with anything other than Hillary and her tax returns.
You want to play some silly apples and kumquats game, but you are nothing but a Hillary hater and have no sane justification.
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Now I'm hoping he never does, just to cause you so much apparent stress & strife. Bottom line is that personal tax returns are NOTHING compared to the security of this nation. In that regards Clinton has this attempted "hiding" thing down cold, compared to what Trump supposedly hasn't done
Putting aside her pathological inability to tell the truth, my justification for not supporting Clinton is 10fold, which includes her irresponsible diseregard for the safety and security of this nation, so that she could try and keep hidden from congressional oversight, anything she did while SoS
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It is totally unrelated.
Trump should show his tax forms, just as Hillary should reveal her e mail.
That seems reasonable , may Trump delay most of a year and erase a lot of it as Hillary did for her e-Mail?
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I do not think anyone would delete a part of a tax form. The omission would be obvious, as it would not add up.
I delete e mail daily. So do most people. NO BIG DEAL.
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How do we know its no big deal? You could be deleting incriminating eveidence of wrongdoing. We only have your word, that its no big deal
The big deal here is that Clinton operated COUNTER to federal law and established guidelines clearly set, and that she signed on for. Then provided an littany of lies to cover up for it, when it was found out
A BIG deal, since it included national security information and intel
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NOT A BIG DEAL FOR ME.
A big deal for you because you crave some justification for being a Hillary hater.
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NOT A BIG DEAL FOR ME.
Of.course not. She could have committed a triple homicide, with 5 eye witnesses. ... as long as she has that D after her name, it'd be no big deal
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as long as she has that D after her name, it'd be no big deal
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Strange hypothetical nonsense seems to your only creative activity.
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Naaaa.....I can just focus on the actual acts of Clinton herself, that only coolaide drinking sycophants think are no big deal
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Trump needs to cough up those tax records.
I think it is obvious that he is seriously corrupt and a scam artist.
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When Clinton coughs up all those thousands of classified emails, while SOS, then Trump can cough up some meaningless tax returns as a private citizen
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Trump needs to be better than Hillary , enough to be elected.
There has never been a lower bar to hurdle for the oval office.
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Trump is now back to blathering against Obama as though Obama wants to destroy the nation because he is some sort of Muslim with a hidden agenda. He will say anything. He appeals only to the stupid and ignorant.
Trump is entirely, totally and completely unqualified and unacceptable to be president of this or any country.
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How ironic....so is Clinton
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Clinton has lived in the White House for eight years, served as a Senator and as Secretary of State.
She is vastly more qualified than The Donald.
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Vastly more corrupt, perhaps
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Clinton has lived in the White House for eight years, served as a Senator and as Secretary of State.
She is vastly more qualified than The Donald.
In each of these roles she has demonstrated ....
You may fill in the blank , Hillary certainly has not .
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Wrong wrong wrong about that.
Hillary is qualified.
Trump is an ignorant egotist who thinks he knows everything and in fact, knows nothing.
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Clinton isn't qualified to run anything that involves national security or uses our tax dollars ..... period
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Wrong wrong wrong about that.
Hillary is qualified.
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How can you possibly think so?
Hillary has deep pockets and an eagerness to fill them.
That is not a qualification.
Hillary missed a lot of opportunity to distinguish herself as an outstanding first lady, Senator and Secretary of State.
Is it really possible to award the MVP to a player that is a placeholder, never a serious player?
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Hillary is the most qualified candidate in years.
Trump is the least qualified ever.
And Trump NEEDS YOUR MONEY! His campaign is broke! The GOP is getting pitiful donations.
¡Con dinero baila el perro! Weeth Moaney dances ze dog!
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Hillary is the most qualified candidate in years.
Trump is the least qualified ever.
And up is down, and bad is good, and wrong is right, in liberal loony land
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Trump cannot even run a campaign.
You rightwingers will need to give him tons of money or he will lose.
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In liberal loony land perhaps. In the land of reality, he simply needs more electoral votes than she
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The votes depend on the campaign.
The campaign depends on MONEY.
If you don't send Trump money, he cannot win.
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The campaign depends on MONEY.
Oh, you mean like this:
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb_c14232920160622120100.jpg)
Naaaaa, I think we'll just stick with the votes
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Nonetheless, if you want Trump to win, you clowns will need to cough up major bucks.
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Nope....just more votes
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You will not get more votes unless you have a successful get out the vote campaign, and that will cost money.
The Donald cannot win if you do not fill The Donald's campaign chest.
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The mere presence of a non-establishment politician, such as Trump, produced a massive get out the vote, with hardly any money spent by him. Naaa....just his presnce will be plenty of motivation to get out the vote, compared to the status quo DC corruption he'd be running against
Like I said, you best hope for a stay home from voting movement
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The votes depend on the campaign.
The campaign depends on MONEY.
If you don't send Trump money, he cannot win.
I do not think Trump supporters should be embarrassed to contribute what they can afford .
Are the Clinton supporters ashamed to have given huge sums to the Hillary campaign and the Clinton foundation?
I think it is hard to shame the government of China and the government of Saudi Arabia for wanting Hillary Clinton to win and chipping in what they can afford.
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For everyone that is mesmerized bt Trump's bigoted blathering, there is another who just wants to watch what happens when he comes in second.
He is a bully and a blowhard. Who does not enjoy seeing a bully get kicked in the nuts? Who does not enjoy watching a blowhard lose and turn purple with rage.
But seriously, The Donald needs your money. He won't reveal his taxes because he has far too few cattle to wear that size stetson.
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And still obsessed with his lack of money, while previously obsessed with Romney's excessive money.
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The economy is the most important issue in any election.
Neither Romney nor Trump would be in politics were they not immensely wealthy.
AS for Trump, I am simply mocking you Hillary haters who will not donate to The Donald like the suckers you are.
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LOL....doesn't need our money....he needs our vote. Not sure how that concept is so foregn to you.....unless of course, you're now flipping again, and indicating that one has to buy the Presidency, in which case, Clinton already has that down payment
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Trump cannot win without money, ans he seems to have no desire to even spend his own money.
He is running his campaign like a personal profit-making venture. He will get tons of publicity as a loser.
And lose he will.
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No, Trump can not win without more electoral votes. But good to know that if heaven forbid, Clinton did win, its because she was bought and payed for, 10x over
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Trump will lose and probably lose big.\
\But his reputation as a celebrity will make him richer. One does not need a majority of the people to have a following.
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You make a good point Xo , but Trump already has spent far less per vote he gets than JEB or HRC.
If Hillary represents the best government that money can buy , I demand a recount , of her money.
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You are,. of course, not getting that,
She has released her tax records, and Trump has refused.
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Let's see her release her speeches she was giving to Goldman Sachs
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There is no precedence for candidates reissuing speeches.
There is, however, for them releasing tax forms.
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There is no precedence for candidates reissuing speeches.
There is, however, for them releasing tax forms.
Neither is required.
Both of these refusals are unusual.
Quite likely both are disappointing to scandalistas.
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There is no precedence for candidates reissuing speeches.
There is a precedent of politicians not releasing documents that could torpedo their support for office. This isn't about "reissuing", this is simply allowing a release of her speeches. It's abundantly clear now at this point, how she apparently has been lying about her disdain and contempt in the greed and actions by folks like Goldman Sachs
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It isn't bad enough that it is Goldman Sachs that is willing to give her money for nothing and Hillary Clinton that will accept?
Why do we care what she said?
How good could it have been?