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Title: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 06, 2007, 01:07:30 PM
Muslims Silence Critics By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | 8/6/2007

After a police raid Friday at Your Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland, bakery employee Devaughndre Broussard admitted to murdering Chauncey Bailey, the editor of the Oakland Post. Bailey was writing a series of investigative articles about the Bakery ? and that?s why, according to police, Broussard killed him.


Your Black Muslim Bakery is an outpost of the Nation of Islam, not of any orthodox Islamic sect, but in this murder Devaughndre Broussard has followed a pattern that some orthodox Muslims have also followed. Violent reprisal has long been an occupational hazard of those who dare to question or investigate Islamic groups or criticize Islamic practices. Filmmaker Theo van Gogh was brutally murdered in November 2004 by a Muslim who took exception to his criticism of the oppression of women in Islamic societies. In 1947, the Iranian lawyer Ahmad Kasravi was murdered in court by Islamic jihadists; Kasravi was there to defend himself against charges that he had attacked Islam.


Four years later, members of the same radical Muslim group, Fadayan-e Islam, assassinated Iranian Prime Minister Haji-Ali Razmara after a group of Muslim clerics issued a fatwa calling for his death. In 1992, the Egyptian writer Faraj Foda was murdered by Muslims enraged at his ?apostasy? from Islam ? another offense for which traditional Islamic law prescribes the death penalty. Foda?s countryman, the Nobel Prizewinning novelist Naguib Mahfouz, was stabbed in 1994 after accusations of blasphemy. And of course, there is the Iranian regime?s notorious death fatwa against Salman Rushdie.


Chauncey Bailey, moreover, is not the first person in the United States to have been murdered by a Muslim who didn?t like what he said. That distinction may belong to Rashad Khalifa, an unorthodox interpreter of the Qur?an who was murdered in Tucson, Arizona, in January 1990 ? probably by a member of the jihadist group Jamaat al-Fuqra. But Bailey?s is still a singular case. Much more common has been the practice of trying to intimidate critics into silence through legal threats.


The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has had great success with this over the years, although lately the tactic appears to be faltering. CAIR was unsuccessful in bullying the Young America?s Foundation into canceling a talk by me last week: the address went on as scheduled on Thursday. In 2006, CAIR dropped a lawsuit against Andrew Whitehead of Anti-CAIR after Mr. Whitehead?s attorney asked a series of probing questions during the discovery process. But before that, CAIR successfully cowed National Review magazine, Fox?s 24, and others into muting in various ways their criticism of Islamic violence and extremism.


Nor is CAIR alone among Muslims in its efforts at legal intimidation. Billionaire Saudi financier Khalid bin Mahfouz has sued journalist Rachel Ehrenfeld and others for libel in the U.K., where the libel laws favor plaintiffs. Ehrenfeld?s offense? In her book Funding Evil, she wrote that bin Mahfouz was involved in funding Hamas and al Qaeda. Bin Mahfouz denied that he had knowingly given any money to either. And Cambridge University Press has, in response to another libel suit filed by bin Mahfouz, just removed from circulation and destroyed all unsold copies of Alms for Jihad by Robert Collins and J. Millard Burr, because the book made essentially the same allegations. But France?s foreign intelligence agency has recently revealed that as long ago as 1996 Mr. bin Mahfouz was known as one of the architects of a banking scheme constructed for the benefit of Osama bin Laden ? and that both U.S. and British intelligence services knew this.


The most notorious attempt at legal intimidation of all may be the Flying Imams case, in which six imams are suing US Airways because they were removed from a flight for suspicious behavior. They are also ? although some reports now dispute this ? suing the passengers who reported them. If this suit succeeds, imagine the effect: no one will dare report suspicious behavior in an airport or airplane, for fear of being sued. And jihad terrorists will have a free hand.


The lawyer for the Flying Imams is Omar T. Mohammedi, who as of 2006 was president of CAIR?s New York chapter.


The murder of Chauncey Bailey should provide renewed impetus to call upon the American Muslim community to take genuine action against the deeply ingrained culture of violence that provides the context in which such things happen. And the pattern of legal intimidation has been followed so many times now that Americans are becoming increasingly aware of how it works and how it can and must be resisted. For if this intimidation ? both violent and nonviolent ? is not resisted, those who are doing the intimidating will eventually succeed in establishing a protected class in America, an ideology that cannot be questioned or rejected. And that, more than anything else, will be the end of any semblance of Constitutional government.


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Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch. He is the author of six books, seven monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World?s Fastest Growing Faith and the New York Times Bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 07, 2007, 12:40:54 PM

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Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 07, 2007, 12:44:37 PM
ChrsitansUnited4LessGovt has stated it perfectly via his picture. Thank you.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: sirs on August 07, 2007, 06:33:23 PM
Ditto
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: gipper on August 07, 2007, 07:10:58 PM
Does anyone want to address Islam in America, a thriving, pulsing, contributing, peaceful religion at home in its surroundings? Anyone who would in contradistinction gainsay that potential (and actuality) while cognizant of Christianity's own poison flowerings should check his "fair and balanced credentials" at the door. To be concise: this is a complicated matter, affected by many factors, that a blowtorch approach will not cure, if that indeed is what it needs.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 07, 2007, 10:04:43 PM
It's extremely misleading to label the thread "Muslims Silence Critics."  The Nation of Islam is a fringe element constituting not even one percent of the world's Muslims. 

It's exactly the same as headlining lunatic-fringe fundamentalist bombings of abortion clinics "Christians Bomb Clinics."

But I'm so used to lies and distortions from so-called "conservatives" (fascists, actually, truth be told) that this one barely registers.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 08, 2007, 11:41:50 AM
>> ... while cognizant of Christianity's own poison flowerings ... <<

What would those flowers be? Can you name me a international Christian terrorists organization? Do you have any video of Christians chanting John 3:16 while they saw of a Muslim's head? Or can you point to anything that isn't 600 years old?

No, you can't.

Yet the left simply cannot deviate from it's template. They hate Christianity, regardless of the fact that there is a religion out there that actually does the things they fantasize that Christians do. Liberals claim Christians demand theocracy. Muslims actually do it. Liberals claim Christians are bigoted toward women. Muslims actually are. Liberals claim Christians are racist. Muslims actually are. Liberals claim Christians aren't tolerant of others religions or sexual preferences. Muslim's kill members of other religions and homosexuals. Liberals claim Christians force their faith on others. Muslims kill you if you don't convert.

Cognizant ... what a load of crap.

Your cognizance seems to be lacking if the best you can do is ... once again, attack Christians while turning a blind eye to the poison orchard of Islam.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 08, 2007, 12:02:45 PM
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Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 08, 2007, 02:00:03 PM
>> ... while cognizant of Christianity's own poison flowerings ... <<

What would those flowers be? Can you name me a international Christian terrorists organization? Do you have any video of Christians chanting John 3:16 while they saw of a Muslim's head? Or can you point to anything that isn't 600 years old?

No, you can't.

Yet the left simply cannot deviate from it's template. They hate Christianity, regardless of the fact that there is a religion out there that actually does the things they fantasize that Christians do. Liberals claim Christians demand theocracy. Muslims actually do it. Liberals claim Christians are bigoted toward women. Muslims actually are. Liberals claim Christians are racist. Muslims actually are. Liberals claim Christians aren't tolerant of others religions or sexual preferences. Muslim's kill members of other religions and homosexuals. Liberals claim Christians force their faith on others. Muslims kill you if you don't convert.

Cognizant ... what a load of crap.

Your cognizance seems to be lacking if the best you can do is ... once again, attack Christians while turning a blind eye to the poison orchard of Islam.

Right on the mark, Rich!
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: gipper on August 08, 2007, 03:13:41 PM
This is a false and inflammatory straw-man argument. The radical excresences of Islam, today on "fine" display, are clearly surpassed by the "fruits" of Western, Christian civilization, within our lifetimes or close to it, represented by Moloch himself on earth, Nazism and its cognates, born, like radical Islam, of the mutations from a cultural theme, which, in the case of Europe, was an authoritarian structure, a proclivity to bow to authority's ideology, a long history of "xeno"-phobia, a notion of selectness and superhumanity, and a cold-blooded pursuit of ideology's goals while submerging everything moral to the will of the dictator. Who do you think comprised the Nazis? Certainly there were no Mother Theresa's, but their were a damn lot of Catholics and Lutherans, clearly analogous to today's heretical Muslim extremists.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 08, 2007, 03:28:03 PM
>>This is a false and inflammatory straw-man argument.The radical excresences of Islam, today on "fine" display, are clearly surpassed by the "fruits" of Western, Christian civilization, within our lifetimes or close to it, represented by Moloch himself on earth, Nazism and its cognates, born, like radical Islam, of the mutations from a cultural theme, which, in the case of Europe, was an authoritarian structure, a proclivity to bow to authority's ideology, a long history of "xeno"-phobia, a notion of selectness and superhumanity, and a cold-blooded pursuit of ideology's goals while submerging everything moral to the will of the dictator.<<

What a bunch of psuedo intellectual clap-trap.

>>Who do you think comprised the Nazis?<<

Hitler hated Christianity. You didn?t know that?

>>Certainly there were no Mother Theresa's, but their were a damn lot of Catholics and Lutherans, clearly analogous to today's heretical Muslim extremists.<<

As I said, you can't name any that even remotely resemble anything like today's Islam. Remember now, some that aren't 600 years old. Good luck.

Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: gipper on August 08, 2007, 03:29:52 PM
Weak ... extremely poor ... out of the game.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 08, 2007, 03:41:09 PM
(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/Main-Logo2.jpg)

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace

8/7/07 ( Gaza, Pal. Auth. ) - Two Gaza children, ages 6 and 8, are killed by a rocket fired at Israel by a Palestinian Islamic group.
8/7/07 ( Yala, Thailand ) - A man is murdered and his body burned by Islamic separatists.
8/7/07 ( Pattani, Thailand ) - A roadside bombing by Muslim radicals leaves two Thai soldiers dead.
8/7/07 ( Banadir, Somalia ) - A mother and her 11-year-old daughter are killed when Islamists detonate a roadside bomb.
8/6/07 ( Pulwama, India ) - A civilian is abducted four days earlier and murdered by the Mujahideen.
8/6/07 ( Yala, Thailand ) - Muslim terrorists gun down a 61-year-old civilian on his way home.


(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg)

 
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Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: gipper on August 08, 2007, 03:44:22 PM
Perhaps you're stupid, Christian, but this doesn't address -- or affect -- my point at all.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: kimba1 on August 08, 2007, 04:29:33 PM
I don`t know if lanya can back me up on this again
but in the month before y2k
a mess of american christians went to isreal to try to start a war to bring on doomsday earlier
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 08, 2007, 05:06:32 PM
Perhaps you're stupid, Christian, but this doesn't address -- or affect -- my point at all.

Sure it does. Islam is NOT a religion of peace.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 08, 2007, 05:49:23 PM
>>Weak ... extremely poor ... out of the game.<<

As I said, pseudo intellectual claptrap. You can't defend it, so toddle off.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 08, 2007, 05:50:26 PM
>>a mess of american christians went to isreal to try to start a war to bring on doomsday earlier<<

 :D

Okay, let's see a link.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 08, 2007, 08:00:15 PM
<<Hitler hated Christianity. You didn?t know that?>>

No, I didn't.  I rather thought Hitler and Christianity had a kind of mutual admiration thing going.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Photos of Hitler at church, leaving church, rallying the faithful in front of some of Germany's fine old churches, conducting love-fests with various church leaders, etc., etc., etc.

Maybe he was just faking it though.  Although he sure didn't bother hiding his true feelings when it came to Jews, blacks, gypsies, the mentally ill, etc.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 08, 2007, 08:11:31 PM
Are you sure you are not letting your Jewishness get emotionally involved here, MT. Chrisitianity and Judaism should be the best of friends. After all, Jesus Christ was a Jew. Therefore, all Christians are adopted Jews.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: sirs on August 08, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
Are you sure you are not letting your Jewishness get emotionally involved here, MT. Chrisitianity and Judaism should be the best of friends. After all, Jesus Christ was a Jew. Therefore, all Christians are adopted Jews.

Professor, Tee hasn't even come close to addressing Rich's thought out reference to the bashing of Christianity, even going so far as to try and connect it to naziism, while the actions of Muslims who actually perform the acts Christians get erroneously tarred with, apparently gets a pass.  So his rather blinded view of this subjext, shouldn't be surprising
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: yellow_crane on August 08, 2007, 08:30:17 PM
Perhaps you're stupid, Christian, but this doesn't address -- or affect -- my point at all.

Sure it does. Islam is NOT a religion of peace.


Under which religion have the most people died?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 08, 2007, 08:52:32 PM
>>Under which religion have the most people died?<<

Socialism.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 08, 2007, 08:57:22 PM
>>No, I didn't.  I rather thought Hitler and Christianity had a kind of mutual admiration thing going.<<

Really? Then why would he say, "Christianity is an invention of sick brains...," "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death." ?

Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: yellow_crane on August 08, 2007, 09:04:22 PM
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I think there is a misprint, and I wanted to correct the first line in the bubble:  it says "hate religion?", wherein, of course, it should be the noninterrogative, "hate religion." making it a simple declarative statement, and which more precisely addresses the theme of the cartoon itself, since the ACLU would be the first to defend the existence of any religion, as long as it were a real religion, and not a spawn of twisted, rightwing politics.

And I would applaude the ACLU, were this a serious statement, since America's new, politically designed hate religion is more pernicious that any of those so-called satanic religions that, come to think of it, hate religions often refer to, when not talking about that other spawn of Lucifer's hosts--the dreaded Liberals.

From the body politic of America, these so-called 'religions' which foment hate and division should be cauterized.  Easy enough to smell them out.  Just sniff for political content mixed in with religious cliches.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: yellow_crane on August 08, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
>>Under which religion have the most people died?<<

Socialism.

I would imagine that socialism would be mentioned as a religion at both Bob Jones University and Falwell's Liberty University.

But that is about as accurate as Evangelical Science.

Why not, now, answer the fucking question?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 08, 2007, 10:07:57 PM
<<Then why would [Hitler] say, "Christianity is an invention of sick brains...," "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death." ?>>

Good question.  I never heard that quote before but it seems to be all over the net.  Not with any really authoritative source so far, but I'll admit it's something he COULD have said.  Because the ideas of Christianity (love your enemies, turn the other cheek, the meek shall inherit the earth) are kind of sick.  If you ever get a chance to read Nietzsche's "The Genealogy of Morals," he claims that Christianity is the invention of the Jews who were physically inferior to the Aryans and so could defeat them only by scheming to sell them on a "transvaluation of all values." 

What Nietzsche meant was that each "race" became subject to a leader or leaders and the leaders imposed their particular values on the race that they led.  For example, a tribe might fall under the leadership of a warrior.  His values would become their values.  The tribe would come to value strength, brutality, good looks (because the leader and his lieutenants would simply grab the best-looking women of the tribe for themselves, so successive generations of warrior leaders would become better and better looking.)  They don't have very highly developed legal systems because if they want something they take it and it's theirs as of right.  (Of course if they misjudge the strength of the warrior who already has what they want to take, this could easily have fatal consequences.)  The warrior tribes par excellence happened to be the Germans.  Women like Heidi Klum.  Men like Ahnold.

Other tribes fell under the leadership of priests.  Priests are weaklings who aren't going to distinguish themselves in battle, so they are smart enough to hone their other skills - - "cleverness" as Nietzsche puts it.  They aren't any good at war or hunting, but they're smart enough to figure out how things work, like calendars and crop planting and eclipses and stuff, and too smart to explain their knowledge to others except as mysterious communications from gods which only they can talk to.  They manage to convince the dumb schmucks in the rest of the tribe that they are all at the mercy of some very angry gods and that only they, the priests know how to cool them out before any serious damage is done.  They aren't as virile as the warrior class, so they don't get the real babes in the tribe, so over time the successive generations of priests become smarter and ever more devious but also weaker and uglier.  They do however have highly developed legal systems because they'll spend hours and days arguing about who has the "right" to a property or a crop or a woman or a child because nobody has the balls to actually just get up and kill the owner and take what he wants by force.  The priestly tribe par excellence just happened to be the Jews.

According to Nietzsche, the warriors are capable of feeling anger while the priests are capable only of resentment.  That is to say, you fuck with an Aryan and he explodes and smites thee and then feels bad about it for the rest of his dumb fucking life, whereas you fuck with the Jew, who of course lacks the physical power to stand up and smite anyone, but he will nurse his "resentment" for a long time, brooding about it and scheming till his "cleverness" shows him some diabolical way to really fuck up his enemy without having to actually do battle with him.  Well the Jews being full of resentment about the Germans couldn't physically do anything about it till one day some genius figured out the transvaluation of all values.

What do the warrior tribes value?  Strength, pride, good looks, power, sex, fun.  What do the priestly tribes value?  Homeliness, modesty, "cleverness," meekness, studying books of religious gibberish.  This is why good-looking babes in the Bible are usually evil sluts who cause the downfall of good men, like Delilah or Jezebel or Potiphar's wife.  WHAT IF . . . what if those dumb fucking Aryans could be TRICKED into accepting all the values of their exact opposites, the Jews?  They'd lose their racial pride and start fucking untermenschen - - sub-humans like Polacks, Slavs, blacks, Jews, etc.   The Aryan race in one or two generations would lose all its fighting spirit, physical strength and blonde good looks, which of course would delight the "priestly" races, none more so than the Jews.

That was where Christianity came in.  A made-to-order religion, not for the Jews who created it, but for their arch-enemies, the Aryans.  Hey, here's a religion that tells ya to turn the other cheek, love your enemies, accept everyone as a member of your own family, quit looking at beautiful women (better to rip out your own eye . . . ) etc.  But there was only one problem - - what Aryan in his right mind couldn't see that all this bullshit was coming from a bunch of sick, demented, wretched untermenschen, the Jews?  Who would buy into anything they were selling?  So of course, Jesus had to be crucified and the Jews had to be the ones who made it happen.  Now NOBODY could claim this "new" religion was just more Jewish BS.  They crucified him for Christ sake.  How could this be their religion? 

According to Nietzsche, the Aryans fell for it hook, line and sinker, bought the religion, abandoned their old Norse gods of thunder and sex and magic and lost all their racial pride.  Soon they were having sex with all kinds of inferior races and polluting their own bloodstream for the next thousand years.  In Germany, the blond Aryan uebermensch (superman) was already a thing of the past.  The guiding philosophy of the Nazis certainly owed a lot more to Darwin and Nietzsche than it did to Jesus.  Hitler's comment on "sick minds" might just have been some Nietzschean fragment surfacing in his consciousness at one particular moment in time.

Now I don't know how much of a Nietzschean Hitler really was, but the ideas of Nietzsche certainly infused some of the philosophers who influenced or even contributed to the development of the Nazi ideology.  He obviously wouldn't have been too thrilled that Christianity had Jewish origins, whether or not he actually saw it as the Jewish plot that Nietzsche believed it to be.

But the photos are very interesting.  Obviously whatever Hitler really felt about Christianity (and I believe he must have despised it for its "weakness" and its Jewish origins) he had no problem making friends with them and they had no problem making friends with him.  For the most part.  And to be completely fair about this, while most of the Christian churches and their leaders supported Hitler and his campaigns (the Pope held a special Mass to pray for the success of Hitler's armies at the beginning of the Russian campaign) there were plenty of priests and ministers at the lower levels who risked their lives to save Jews from the Holocaust.  So I'd certainly never say that Christianity was ALL bad.  But a lot of it was.  And that's just a fact.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Amianthus on August 08, 2007, 11:33:04 PM
I would imagine that socialism would be mentioned as a religion at both Bob Jones University and Falwell's Liberty University.

But that is about as accurate as Evangelical Science.

Why not, now, answer the fucking question?

You're gonna claim that atheism isn't a religion, right?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Plane on August 09, 2007, 12:07:11 AM
>>Under which religion have the most people died?<<

Socialism.

I would imagine that socialism would be mentioned as a religion at both Bob Jones University and Falwell's Liberty University.

But that is about as accurate as Evangelical Science.

Why not, now, answer the fucking question?


The most evangelical people I ever met were freindly drunks, who were very eager for me to learn their ways.


Science has adherants who are insistant on haveing its recepts taught to the young of nonbeleivers , some even, who want science to be the controlling principal of government and everyday life.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 09, 2007, 12:30:04 AM
it doesn't really matter who has killed more decades or centuries ago
what is relevant is today
and who today is killing in the name of their religion in far greater numbers?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 09, 2007, 12:32:07 AM
it doesn't really matter who has killed more decades or centuries ago
what is relevant is today
and who today is killing in the name of their religion in far greater numbers?

And in this country a Muslim can preach on the street corner. Wanna guess what would happen if a Christian tried that in Saudi Arabia?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Cynthia on August 09, 2007, 01:18:31 AM
Radical Christians, Radical Muslims. Radical. Radical holding signs ...radical signing holds on others. Radicals killing in fields. Radicals running from the law of peace. Radical dressed to fight with no panties

Radical far reaching extremists running for office and running from the law of nature.

There's no room for discussion about religions of the world when one stands on the premise of radical works.

Why are we in the mess we're in in all of the world stage?

Radicalism in it's purity.
Not religion.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: kimba1 on August 09, 2007, 02:11:43 AM
>>a mess of american christians went to isreal to try to start a war to bring on doomsday earlier<<

 

Okay, let's see a link.

after seven years not likely
the last time I brought this up
lanya  barely able to find it.
the internet can only hold stuff for about a year

I`ll bet theirs hardly any data on the chicken massacre in 97
one of the craziest incident on our history and hardy anybody remembers it
tons of data gets forgotten
after 9-11 the klan tried to start a revolution,but totally underestimated the increased security by our government.
hopefully( but doubtfull )somebody here will remember this.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Amianthus on August 09, 2007, 08:01:46 AM
I`ll bet theirs hardly any data on the chicken massacre in 97

From Google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 370,000 for chicken massacre 1997. (0.12 seconds)
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 09, 2007, 10:47:41 AM
look just let us know when you can produce a list like this from the current world (as opposed to ancient history)
that shows christians or any other religion for that matter with people killing in the name of their religion.

 

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months

Date Country City Killed Injured Description

8/8/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 66-year-old man is brutally shot to death by Islamists as he is walking in his orchard.
8/8/07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Muslim gunmen storm a medical clinic and murder two workers.
8/7/07 Chechnya Grozny 2 0 Two Russians are shot to death in a Mujahideen ambush.
8/7/07 Pakistan Banda 1 0 A security patrol member is blown apart by Islamists while fetching water from a stream.
8/7/07 Iraq Samarra 5 2 Three women and two children are killed in a Jihad mortar attack.
8/7/07 Iraq Muqdadiya 1 1 Muslim gunmen open fire on children, killing one.
8/7/07 Iraq Baghdad 21 9 Sectarian Jihadis rack up twenty-one dead Iraqis in various attacks.
8/7/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 2 5 Two Gaza children, ages 6 and 8, are killed by a rocket fired at Israel by a Palestinian Islamic group.
8/7/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is murdered and his body burned by Islamic separatists.
8/7/07 Thailand Pattani 2 2 A roadside bombing by Muslim radicals leaves two Thai soldiers dead.
8/7/07 Somalia Banadir 2 4 A mother and her 11-year-old daughter are killed when Islamists detonate a roadside bomb.
8/6/07 Iraq Qabak 33 54 A suicidal Sunni manages to kill thirty-four innocents in a Shiite neighborhood, which include seventeen children and ten women.
8/6/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a man to death in his home.
8/6/07 Iraq Karbala 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot the chairwoman for a humanitarian organization two times in the head.
8/6/07 Iraq al-Aameryia 36 0 Thirty-six Iraqi heads are liberated from their bodies by Islamic Freedom Fighters.
8/6/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down a 61-year-old civilian on his way home.
8/6/07 India Pulwama 1 0 A civilian is abducted four days earlier and murdered by the Mujahideen.
8/6/07 Iraq Baghdad 34 32 Thirty-four people are killed in various Religion of Peace attacks around the city.
8/5/07 Afghanistan Kunar 5 6 Five Afghan police are murdered in two terror attacks by religious extremists.
8/5/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two Thai soldiers on motorcycles are shot and killed by Muslim radicals.
8/5/07 India Doda 1 9 The Mujahideen gun down a cop and throw a grenade into a market, injuring nine civilians.
8/5/07 Chechnya Tsa-Vedeno 3 0 Three people, including a child, are burned to death in their car by Holy Warriors.
8/5/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 0 Taliban extremists kill two civilians with a roadside blast.
8/5/07 Iraq Mosul 6 0 Two children are among six people kidnapped, tortured and executed by Islamic terrorists.
8/5/07 Iraq Mahmudiya 2 5 A suicide bomber slays two innocents at an auto repair shop.
8/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 32 14 Sectarian Jihadis rack up over thirty Muslim rivals in various attacks.
8/4/07 Iraq Baghdad 26 13 A doctor is among over two dozen people killed by sectarian Jihadis in various attacks.
8/4/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 45-year-old guard is shot to death at point-blank range by Muslim radicals.
8/4/07 Dagestan Sergokala 1 2 A police officer is gunned down by Islamic militants.
8/4/07 Pakistan Parachinar 8 43 At least eight people, including two young children, are killed when a suicide bomber attacks a car showroom and taxi stand.
8/4/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 Islamists recruit a teenager to throw a grenade into a funeral procession, killing one.
8/4/07 Thailand Yala 3 0 Three civilians in a pick-up truck are ambushed and murdered by Islamic terrorists.
8/4/07 Afghanistan Kabul 3 2 A religious extremist kills three civilians in a suicide blast.
8/4/07 Afghanistan Logar 4 3 Four Afghan police are killed when Sunni terrorists rocket their vehicle.
8/4/07 Pakistan Miranshah 4 6 Four Pakistanis are killed when Taliban militants attack a check-point.
8/4/07 Somalia Suuq Baad 2 6 Two people are killed when Islamic militants hurl grenades into a crowded market.
8/4/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 0 Two civilians are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
8/4/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 0 Four civilians are blown to bits when Holy Warriors target their vehicle with a roadside bomb.
8/3/07 Iraq Muhbabiya 17 0 Seventeen women, children and elderly Iraqis are found in a mass grave following an al-Qaeda massacre.
8/3/07 Iraq Baghdad 13 0 Thirteen victims of sectarian violence are found scattered throughout the city.
8/3/07 Iraq Diyala 4 9 Muslim gunmen murder two children and two adults in a brutal attack on a home.
8/3/07 Afghanistan Kunar 3 5 The Taliban kill three Afghan police with a bomb attack on their vehicle.
8/3/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamists force their way into a home to shoot a government official to death.
8/3/07 India Banihal 0 24 Two dozen people are injured when Islamic terrorists toss a grenade into a crowded marketplace.
8/3/07 Philippines Koronadal 1 12 A Christian pastor is killed in a bus bombing by a group linked to the Moro Islamic terror group.
8/3/07 Pakistan Swat 2 6 A suicide bomber kills two people and injures six from the same family.
8/2/07 Iraq Hibhib 15 17 Fifteen people are killed when a sucide bomber detonates along a city street.
8/2/07 Pakistan Sargodha 1 1 A Fedayeen fires at police, killing one in a suicide bid.
8/2/07 Somalia Mogadishu 8 20 A mother and her two daughters are among eight killed when Islamic militias rain down mortars on a neighborhood.
8/2/07 Iraq Baghdad 30 8 Sectarian Jihadis shoot or blast thirty Iraqis to death in various attacks.
8/2/07 Iraq Kirkuk 5 0 Five brothers who worked as day laborers are kidnapped and executed by Muslim terrorists.
8/2/07 Somalia Balad 1 4 An grenade attack on Ethiopians leaves one dead.
8/2/07 Thailand Pattani 2 8 Two Thai soldiers are killed in separate bombing and shooting attacks.
8/2/07 Iraq Balad 1 6 A young girl is killed in a mortar barrage by Muslim terrorists.
8/1/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 A father and son are murdered by Islamic terrorists at their home.
8/1/07 Iraq Baghdad 12 20 A dozen civilians are killed in various Religion of Peace attacks around the city.
8/1/07 Thailand Yala 2 1 Islamists ambush a group guarding a train station, killing two members.
8/1/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 6 A young boy is killed when Islamists throw a grenaded into a market. Two other bodies are found nearby.
8/1/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 11 A Buddhist woman is blown to bits when Muslim radicals bomb a shopping district.
8/1/07 Lebanon Nahr al-Bared 1 0 A Fatah al-Islam sniper kills a Lebanese soldier.
8/1/07 Iraq Baqubah 25 40 Islamic terrorists bomb a marketplace, killing twenty-five patrons.
8/1/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 5 A suicide bomber kills an Afghan truck driver.
8/1/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 62-year-old man is shot to death by radical Muslims.
8/1/07 Pakistan Bannu 1 0 Talibanis murder a Pakistani soldier taken hostage.
8/1/07 Iraq Hibhib 14 0 Fourteen villagers are kidnapped and executed by Sunni militants.
8/1/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 25 At least fifteen people are blown to bits when a suicide bomber detonates in a city square.
8/1/07 Iraq Baghdad 50 60 A Fedayeen suicide bomber detonates at a petrol station, killing at least fifty innocents.
8/1/07 Lebanon Nahr el-Bared 4 0 Four Lebanese soldiers are killed by Fatah al-Islam snipers and bombers.
7/31/07 Ingushetia Magas 1 3 Muslim gunmen attack a bus carrying police officers, killing one.
7/31/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 The Taliban murder a 29-year-old Christian man taken hostage.
7/31/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 4 A 4-year-old child is among three people killed in a brutal rocket attack by Islamists shouting 'Allah Akbar.'
7/31/07 Iraq Baghdad 12 12 A teacher and an engineer are among a dozen people shot and killed in various Jihad attacks around the country.
7/31/07 Somalia Mogadishu 5 3 Islamic terrorists blow up a minibus, killing five civilian passengers that included a woman.
7/31/07 Pakistan Bannu 1 4 Religious extremists ambush a group of soldiers, killing one.
7/30/07 Iraq Balad 4 6 A suicide bomber kills six people with a loaded fuel truck.
7/30/07 Iraq Baghdad 12 47 At least a dozen Iraqis are killed in three bomb attacks by Islamic terrorists.
7/30/07 Pakistan Miranshah 7 1 Four civilians are among seven killed by Taliban militants in two separate attacks.
7/30/07 Iraq Kirkuk 4 0 A woman is among four people shot to death by Islamic radicals.
7/30/07 India Ramban 1 0 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen members kidnap and behead a government teacher.
7/30/07 India Kishtwar 1 0 A civilian is abducted and mudered by the Mujahideen.
7/30/07 India Pulwama 2 6 Two children (ages 12 and 14) are killed when Islamists throw grenades at a tourist vehicle.
7/29/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 5 Two civilians are killed when Islamic radicals throw grenades into the electronics area of a market.
7/29/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two men, one a work-placement employee, are shot to death by Muslim radicals in separate attacks.
7/29/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Two guards at a market are shot to death by Islamic militants.
7/29/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 13 8 Taliban extremists attack a private aid convoy, killing thirteen guards.
7/29/07 Iraq Balad 6 1 Jihadis lob mortars into a residential neighborhood, killing six people.
7/29/07 Iraq Tuz Khormato 7 6 Sunnis gun down six soccer fans celebrating the country's recent win.
7/29/07 Iraq Balad Ruz 3 25 Islamic terrorists kill three people with multiple bombs at a market.
7/29/07 India Srinagar 7 19 Seven people, including two young girls, are killed when Islamic radicals bomb a bus.
7/28/07 Pakistan Islamabad 14 60 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills at least fourteen in an attack on a hotel.
7/28/07 Iraq Baghdad 5 22 Sunnis set off a car bomb in a commercial district, killing five people.
7/28/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 38-year-old mother of three succumbs to her injuries three days after a Religion of Peace bomb attack.
7/28/07 Pal. Auth. Al Bureij 1 0 A young woman is stabbed to death over 'immoral behavior.'
7/28/07 Pakistan Maidan 3 0 Three policemen are brutally murdered by Islamic militants in an ambush.
7/27/07 Ingushetia Magas 1 0 Muslim separatists stage a deadly rocket attack on a government building.
7/27/07 Dagestan Makhachkala 2 1 Islamic terrorists kill an anti-terror cleric and his brother by bombing their car.
7/27/07 Iraq Samarrah 7 0 Seven Iraqi policemen are killed in a Sunni bombing.
7/27/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 2 An engineer and his wife are among ten people murdered by Jihadis in various attacks.
7/27/07 Thailand Yala 1 1 A man is shot twice in the head by militant Muslims.
7/26/07 Iraq Baghdad 61 94 Jihadis murder at least sixty Iraqis with a parked car bomb at a busy market.
7/26/07 Iraq Tal Abta 6 13 A suicide bomber detonates outside a police station, killing six others.
7/26/07 Pakistan Tiarza 1 2 A Pakistani soldier is killed when Taliban militants fire a rocket into a base.
7/26/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamic terrorists attack two groups of teachers with roadside bombs and shoot a 44-year-old man to death.
7/26/07 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 A Muslim woman is shot in the head by her son, who suspected her of 'illicit relations.'
7/26/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A local official is gunned down by Islamic militants while walking home.
7/26/07 Somalia Mogadishu 4 3 Islamists hurl a grenade into a coffee shop, killing four civilians.
7/26/07 India Ramban 1 0 A civilian is kidnapped from his home and murdered in captivity by the Mujahideen.
7/26/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 3 Two civilians are killed by a landmine planted by Islamic militias.
7/26/07 Iraq Kirkuk 25 85 Sunni terrorists explode a massive bomb next to a kabob shop, killing over two-dozen innocent people.
7/25/07 Iraq Diyala 9 0 Nine young men are kidnapped and beheaded by Sunni terrorists.
7/25/07 India Doda 1 0 A civilian is abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
7/25/07 Iraq Baghdad 23 14 Various Jihad bombing and shooting attacks leave about two dozen Iraqis dead.
7/25/07 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 Two farmers are shot to death by Muslim radicals.
7/25/07 Iraq Baghdad 58 125 Islamic terrorists stage two massive car bombings that slaughter over fifty Iraqis celebrating their country's soccer win in the street.
7/25/07 Somalia Mogadishu 5 9 At least three civilians are killed when Islamists bomb an intersection.
7/25/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 The Taliban shoot a Christian man to death.
7/24/07 Iraq Hillah 32 68 A suicide bomber detonates in a marketplace across from the maternity ward of a hospital, killing over thirty innocents.
7/24/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 0 A pregnant woman is among three civilians killed when Islamists toss a grenade into a market.
7/24/07 Pakistan Bannu 10 40 Muslim terrorists fire rockets into a village, killing ten civilians.
7/24/07 Pakistan Dattakhel 4 0 Islamic militants attack a security post, killing four members.
7/23/07 Iraq Khanqeen 5 3 Five truck drivers are murdered by Islamic terrorists.
7/23/07 Somalia Mogadishu 7 0 A woman is among seven victims of an Islamic grenade attack in a commercial district.
7/23/07 Iraq Baghdad 26 6 Violence in the name of Allah leaves over two dozen dead in various attacks.
7/23/07 Iraq Baghdad 17 49 Three separate car bombings by Muslim terrorists end the lives of seventeen Iraqi civilians.
7/23/07 Iraq Ramadi 7 0 A female suicide bomber murders seven Iraqi policemen.
7/23/07 Iraq Muqdadiyah 2 1 Muslim gunmen take down two electrical workers.
7/23/07 Algeria Boumerdes 1 8 An Algerian security personnel is killed in a bomb attack by Islamic fundamentalists.
7/23/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 35-year-old is shot to death while fishing in a pond.
7/23/07 India Anantnag 1 1 Islamic militants ambush a security patrol, killing one member.
7/23/07 Pakistan Kagai 2 0 Two men are abducted by al-Qaeda militants and executed by having their throats slit.
7/23/07 Thailand Yala 1 1 A 46-year-old construction worker is shot to death by Muslim militants.
7/23/07 India Kishtwar 1 0 The Mujahideen kidnap and execute a 22-year-old man who was collecting firewood.
7/22/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 3 0 Three sisters are brutally tortured and stabbed to death over suspicion of 'immoral' activities. Two are teenagers.
7/22/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 20 A bombing and several shooting attacks leave twenty-two Iraqis dead at the hands of Freedom Fighters.
7/22/07 Iraq Khanqeen-Buhriz 6 0 Six delivery truck drivers are murdered by the Religion of Peace.
7/22/07 Iraq Jurf al-Milih 5 12 A Fedayeen truck bomber takes out five Sunni leaders for talking peace with Shiites.
7/22/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 A civilian is killed when Muslim militants throw a grenade in a marketplace.
7/22/07 India Ramban 1 0 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorists kidnap and kill a former member who wanted out.
7/22/07 Lebanon Tanbourit 1 4 Shiites shoot Christian villagers who complained of harassment.
7/22/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 The Taliban kill a German hostage, abducted four days earlier.
7/21/07 Algeria Crete 1 2 Islamic fundamentalists attack a group of soldiers, killing one.
7/21/07 Thailand Pattani 0 6 A 10-year-old boy and 13-year-old girl are among the casualites when Islamic radicals bomb a rice shop.
7/21/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 3 Two civilians are murdered when a terrorist throws a grenade into a marketplace.
7/21/07 Iraq Mosul 26 6 A caf? showing a soccer match is one site among several Jihad targets as twenty-six people are killed.
7/21/07 Iraq Baghdad 28 31 Islamic 'insurgents' rack up twenty-eight dead Iraqis in several bombing and shooting attacks.
7/21/07 Ingushetia Karabulak 1 0 Muslim gunmen assassinate a government official in charge of 'ethnic relations'.
7/20/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 0 Taliban militants murder three civilians with a roadside bomb.
7/20/07 Pakistan Miran Shah 4 6 Four innocents are killed by a suicide car bomber.
7/20/07 Afghanistan Helmand 2 2 Two civilians are killed by a car bomb.
7/20/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 0 Sixteen victims of sectarian violence are found scattered around the city.
7/20/07 Iraq Baghdad 2 2 A ruthless attack by Mujahideen leaves two Australian civilians dead.
7/20/07 Nigeria Sokoto 5 0 A man is burned to death in his home is among five killed in sectarian clashes between Sunni and Shia.
7/20/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamists gun down a drug store owner in his shop.
7/20/07 India Rajouri 1 15 A civilian is shot to death outside his home and Islamic terrorists throw a grenade at Hindu pilgrims in a separate attack.
7/19/07 Pakistan Hangu 8 22 At least eight are killed when suicide bombers ram their vehicle into a police training facility.
7/19/07 Pakistan Hub 30 28 Thirty people are slaughtered when Sunni bombers target Chinese engineers along a road.
7/19/07 Iraq Khalis 5 4 Islamic gunmen attack a village, killing five residents.
7/19/07 Pakistan Kohat 18 19 Fedayeen suicide bombers hit a mosque inside an army base, blasting eighteen people to death.
7/19/07 Iraq Baghdad 20 4 A man killed in front of his wife and children is among twenty victims of Jihad sectarian violence around the city.
7/19/07 Somalia Baruha 1 0 Islamists shoot a civilian in the head as he is holding a child.
7/19/07 Afghanistan Helmand 6 2 Religious extremists ambush a police car, killing a dozen Afghans at point-blank range.
7/19/07 Afghanistan Fayzabad 1 25 Women and children are among the casualties of a suicide bombing.
7/19/07 Chechnya Assinovskaya 2 3 Two policemen are killed when Mujahideen attack their post.
7/19/07 Nigeria Sokoto 1 0 A Sunni mob beats a Shia to death.
7/19/07 Somalia Mogadishu 6 3 Children playing soccer are hit by mortars fired by Islamists. Six are killed and three injured.
7/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 12 Random sectarian attacks leave twenty-two Iraqis dead.
7/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 4 4 Four electrical workers are killed when Jihadis target their minibus with a truck bomb.
7/18/07 Philippines Lamitan 1 0 A Sunni missionary is dismembered by Abu Sayyaf militants on suspicion of spying.
7/18/07 Russia Kizilyurt 4 3 Islamic separatists are suspected in the bombing of a school playground that kills four policemen.
7/18/07 Afghanistan Zabul 7 4 Seven Afghan police officers are murdered in a brutal ambush by religious extremists.
7/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 17 18 A series of Sunni bomb attacks kills at least seventeen innocents.
7/18/07 Pakistan Miranshah 16 14 al-Qaeda backed militants ambush an army convoy with rockets, killing sixteen Pakistanis.
7/18/07 Afghanistan Khost 3 0 A suicide bomber blasts three Afghans to Allah.
7/18/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 0 Taliban extremists murder two police officers riding bikes.
7/18/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 3 Two people are killed when radical Muslims shell a market.
7/18/07 Pakistan Bajaur 1 0 Islamists kidnap and behead a civilian.
7/18/07 Iraq Khalis 7 0 Seven bus passengers are brutally shot to death by Islamic gunmen.
7/18/07 Nigeria Sokoto 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated by a rival Shiite militia.
7/17/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is shot to death outside a school by militant Muslims.
7/17/07 Pakistan Mir Ali 5 0 A suicide bomber murders five people at a checkpoint.
7/17/07 Thailand Yala 1 31 A double bomb attack by Islamic radicals at a railway station leaves at least one person dead and thirty-one injured.
7/17/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 4 At least one person is killed when Islamic militants throw a grenade into a market.
7/17/07 Iraq Baghdad 31 10 Jihadis ring up over thirty dead Iraqis in various shooting and bombing attacks.
7/17/07 Iraq Samarra 1 3 A hospital director is gunned down by militant Muslims.
7/17/07 Iraq Baghdad 20 20 Sunnis send a suicide bomber into a Shia residential neighborhood to blast twenty innocents to death.
7/17/07 Lebanon Nahr el-Bared 4 0 Fatah al-Islam snipers pick off four Lebanese soldiers.
7/17/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Islamic radicals shoot a soldier to death by the side of a road.
7/17/07 Pakistan Islamabad 13 45 A suicide bomber detonates in a crowd a political rally. Thirteen innocents are killed.
7/17/07 Iraq Dulayiya 29 4 Nearly thirty men, women and children gathered for a soccer game are hacked and shot to death by radical Sunnis.
7/17/07 India Baltal 1 17 Islamists toss a grenade into a crowd of Hindu pilgrims, killing one.
7/17/07 India Poonch 2 8 Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists attack a security patrol, killing two members.
7/17/07 Pakistan Khar Banda 1 0 A civilian is abducted and beheaded by the Taliban.
7/17/07 Lebanon Nahr el-Bared 4 0 Four Lebanese troops are killed by Fatah al-Islam snipers.
7/17/07 Iraq Muqdadiya 14 0 Twelve members of one family are massacred by Islamic terrorists in their home. Two women are gunned down elsewhere in the city.
7/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 2 5 Two sisters are killed when they are taken hostage by Muslim terrorists and forced into a explosives-laden car.
7/16/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 Hamas militants kidnap and suffocate a 45-year-old man.
7/16/07 Iraq Samarrah 5 0 Armed Jihadis shoot five people in the head.
7/16/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 4 Two civilians are among three killed by Islamic militants in two attacks.
7/16/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 A Taliban attack leaves one Afghan dead.
7/16/07 Afghanistan Helmand 3 2 Five Afghans are killed in a roadside bombing by Taliban extremists.
7/16/07 Philippines Tugas 2 1 Abu Sayyaf militants ambush a security patrol, killing two members.
7/16/07 Iraq Kirkuk 85 180 Sunni suicide truck bombers massacre eighty-five Iraqi civilians near a Kurdish political office.
7/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 39 45 Muslim terrorists rack up forty dead Iraqis in various sectarian attacks.
7/16/07 Ingushetia Ordzhonikidzevskaya 3 7 A Christian woman and her two children are murdered in their home by Islamic gunmen. Seven mourners are injured when their funeral is bombed two days later.
7/15/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 25 61 Twenty-five innocents are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber on foot.
7/15/07 Pakistan Swat 17 47 Civilians are among seventeen people blasted to death by a suicide bomber on a highway.
7/15/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 52-year-old railway worker is shot to death by Islamists on his way to work.
7/15/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 0 Two civilians and a government official are killed when an Islamist hurls a grenade into a municipal office.
7/15/07 Thailand Yala 1 1 A Muslim who 'switched sides' is shot to death at a market. His wife is seriously injured.
7/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 0 Twenty-two victims of sectarian violence are found, including several women.
7/15/07 Afghanistan Paktika 5 2 Religious extremists kill five highway construction workers with a bomb.
7/15/07 Iraq Aziziya 2 0 A woman and her 8-year-old son are brutally gunned down by Muslim terrorists.
7/15/07 Afghanistan Paktika 1 3 One person is killed when Islamists fire a rocket into his home.
7/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 25 Sunnis kill ten with a car bombing along a city square.
7/14/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a 66-year-old farmer to death.
7/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 28 12 Jihadis manage to kill twenty-eight Iraqis in various shooting and bombing attacks.
7/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 7 15 Sunnis bomb a gas station, killing at least seven people lining up for fuel.
7/14/07 Iraq Suwayra 6 0 Six people are murdered by Islamic radicals and thrown into a river.
7/14/07 Pakistan Essa 1 0 A Pakistani soldier is shot to death by an Islamic militant at a checkpoint.
7/14/07 Iraq Hillah 9 3 Jihadis barge into a house and murder nine members of a family, including women and children.
7/14/07 Afghanistan Paktia 2 0 Two men are gunned down by religious extremists.
7/14/07 Thailand Songkhla 2 0 Two civilians are ambushed and murdered by Islamic radicals.
7/14/07 Pakistan North Waziristan 23 27 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends twenty-three Pakistani soldiers to Allah.
7/14/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 1 Islamists kill a woman and injure her 8-month-old baby in a grenade attack.
7/13/07 Somalia Huriwa 2 0 Two men are shot to death by suspected Islamic militias.
7/13/07 Iraq Baghdad 5 9 Jihadis gun down five policemen in an attack on their checkpoint.
7/13/07 Iraq Baghdad 2 6 Sunnis kill two Shia civilians with a car bomb.
7/13/07 Iraq Muqdadiyah 12 0 Sunni gunmen massacre a family of twelve Shia in their home.
7/13/07 Pakistan Miranshah 3 0 Three tribal leaders are shot to death at a market by Islamic militants.
7/13/07 Lebanon Nahr al-Bared 11 50 Fatah al-Islam terrorists kill eleven Lebanese soldiers with rockets and sniper fire.
7/13/07 India Reasi 1 0 Police recover the body of a man abducted from his home by militants a month earlier.
7/12/07 Iraq Mosul 5 15 Jihadis car bomb and shoot five Iraqis to death.
7/12/07 Afghanistan Khost 6 0 Six Afghans are slaughtered when religious extremists attack their patrol.
7/12/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 9 Three Somali civilians, including two construction workers are killed in separate attacks by Islamic grenade throwers.
7/12/07 Pakistan Swat 5 3 Five Pakistanis are killed in a suicide attack on a police vehicle.
7/12/07 Pakistan Miranshah 3 3 A Religion of Peace suicide bomber strolls into an office and kills three workers.
7/12/07 Iraq Baghdad 28 0 Twenty-eight victims of sectarian violence between Shia and Sunni are found executed.
7/12/07 Iraq Karbala 4 2 Islamic terrorists attack a family car, killing four members.
7/12/07 Lebanon Nahr al-Bared 4 9 Islamic militants kill four Lebanese soldiers.
7/12/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists slash the throat of a 29-year-old man and throw him into a river.
7/12/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim radicals shoot a man, then set him on fire under a bridge.
7/12/07 Iraq Tal Afar 7 4 A suicide bomber attacks a wedding, killing seven guest who try and stop him.
7/12/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Muslims shoot an elderly Buddhist couple to death as they are riding to a market.
7/12/07 Pakistan Spin Wam 1 0 al-Qaeda backed militants cut the head off of a civilian.
7/11/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A Buddhist civilian is murdered in a drive-by shooting attack by Muslim radicals.
7/11/07 Somalia Mogadishu 7 4 Islamists kill civilians and police by throwing grenades into a market.
7/11/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamists murder a rubber worker on his plantation.
7/11/07 Afghanistan Paktia 4 0 Religious extremists ambush and kill four Afghans.
7/11/07 Iraq Baghdad 32 17 Thirty victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found executed.
7/11/07 Iraq Garma 21 50 Two al-Qaeda suicide bombers attack a reconciliation meeting at a residence, then two others kill emergency responders.
7/11/07 Algeria Tigzirt 1 1 Fundamentalists kill a security guard with a bomb.
7/11/07 Algeria Lakhdria 10 35 At least ten people are killed when a teenage suicide bomber detonates near a sports venue.
7/11/07 Philippines Al-Barka 1 0 Abu Sayyaf terrorists murder a civilian.
7/11/07 Thailand Patani 1 0 A 58-year-old man is murdered by Muslim radicals as he tends his garden.
7/11/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Two people are killed by an Islamist mortar attack.
7/10/07 Afghanistan Deh Rawud 17 30 A suicide bomber detonates at a market, killing seventeen innocents, including children.
7/10/07 Iraq Nasariyah 3 1 Three children die in separate Jihad attacks.
7/10/07 Iraq Tikrit 12 0 A dozen people are shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
7/10/07 Iraq Baghdad 26 15 Twenty-six people are killed in sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace.
7/10/07 Iraq Sherween 18 40 Eighteen villagers are killed when al-Qaeda militants stage an assault.
7/10/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 48-year-old Buddhist man is shot to death in his car by Muslim radicals.
7/10/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 5 Two civilians are killed when a grenade is thrown into a busy marketplace.
7/10/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A village chief is ambushed and killed on the road by Muslim terrorists, as he is driving home football players.
7/10/07 Philippines Basilan 14 9 Abu Sayyaf militants kill 14 members of a search party looking for a kidnapped priest. At least ten are beheaded.
7/10/07 Pakistan Kohat 1 11 Islamic militants kill one soldier at a checkpoint.
7/10/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 Hamas militants strangle a 31-year-old man.
7/9/07 Iraq Baghdad 31 24 Various bombing and shooting attacks by Jihadis leave over thirty people dead.
7/9/07 Pakistan Peshawar 3 1 Three Chinese motorcycle workers are shot to death by Islamic radicals.
7/9/07 Afghanistan Heart 4 12 A religious extremist opens fire inside an Afghan army camp, killing four people.
7/9/07 Iraq Mada'en 12 0 A dozen workers at a Pepsi plant are abducted and slaughtered by Shia terrorists.
7/9/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 8 At least three civilians are killed when Islamists lob grenades into a market.
7/9/07 Somalia Beledweyne 1 0 Muslim gunmen kill a Doctors Without Borders physician.
7/9/07 Chechnya Vedeno 3 5 Mujahideen stop a Russian vehicle with a landmine, then shoot the occupants.
7/9/07 Iraq Ghazaliya 4 0 Four members of a family are kidnapped and strangled by Islamic terrorists.
7/9/07 Iraq Balad 9 20 A roadside bombing leaves nine Iraqis dead.
7/8/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 0 Two civilians are beheaded by the Taliban.
7/8/07 Iraq Baghdad 29 0 Twenty-nine bodies are found, victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace.
7/8/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 33 Three Jihad car bombings leave fifteen civilians dead.
7/8/07 Iraq Haswa 23 27 Two dozen young Iraqi police recruits are killed when Fedayeen suicide bombers ram into their truck.
7/8/07 Iraq Samawa 3 0 A woman and two children are killed when Islamic terrorists lob a mortar into their home.
7/8/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamic gunmen shoot a policeman three times in the head.
7/8/07 Pakistan Islamabad 1 0 A Pakistani solider is killed by an Islamist sniper outside a mosque.
7/8/07 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 The bodies of a husband and wife, kidnapped by al-Qaeda, surface with slit throats.
7/8/07 Pakistan Bajur 1 7 Islamic militants detonate a bomb under a police vehicle, killing one officer.
7/8/07 Pakistan Bannu 1 3 Islamic militants attack a security patrol with grenades.
7/7/07 Iraq Mashahidah 8 0 Eight Iraqi soldiers are killed in a brutal and senseless attack on their checkpoint.
7/7/07 Afghanistan Uruzgan 1 0 Religious extremists kidnap a man from his home and then shoot him to death.
7/7/07 Iraq Kirkuk 5 0 Five civilians are murdered by the Mujahideen in two separate attacks.
7/7/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 0 Nineteen people are kidnapped and executed by Islamic terrorists.
7/7/07 Iraq Khanaqeen 22 15 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills two dozen innocents at a funeral.
7/7/07 Afghanistan Kunar 1 8 A 10-year-old boy is killed when Islamic terrorists fire a rocket into his home.
7/7/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 6 0 Six Afghan police are ambushed and killed by the Taliban.
7/7/07 Iraq Tuz Khurmatu. 156 255 Sunnis launch a very successful attack against Shia civilians, blasting to death over one-hundred and fifty at an open-air market.
7/7/07 Chechnya Grozny 2 1 A police officer and an engineer are killed in separate attacks by Jihadis.
7/6/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A government official is assassinated by members of an Islamic militia.
7/6/07 Pakistan Dir 4 1 A suicide bomber on a bicycle kills four Pakistani soldiers.
7/6/07 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 4 An attack by radical Islamists leaves at least two tribesmen dead.
7/6/07 Pakistan Islamabad 2 0 Two students are executed by mosque radicals over their plans to surrender to police.
7/6/07 Iraq Mahmudiya 3 0 Two people are tortured to death by the Mujahideen. A child is killed in a separate attack in Umm Hilayil
7/6/07 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A Kurdish married couple is shot to death by Sunni terrorists.
7/6/07 Iraq Ahmad Maref, 26 33 Islamic terrorists send a suicide bomber into a market, killing over two dozen shoppers.
7/6/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 50-year-old Buddhist woman is shot to death by Islamists in her store.
7/6/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 An elderly rubber worker is murdered by Muslim extremists.
7/6/07 Somalia Huriwa 4 6 Islamists kill four more children with a roadside bomb.
7/6/07 Somalia Mogadishu 5 0 Five children are killed when a landmine planted by Islamic militias explodes.
7/6/07 Somalia Afgoi 1 0 A bus station guard is shot to death by Islamic gunmen.
7/6/07 Iraq Tikrit 7 9 Sunni gunmen attack the home of a peaceful Sheikh, killing seven members of his family.
7/5/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 32-year-old rubber worker is shot to death by Islamic militants.
7/5/07 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 8 11 A suicidal Sunni rams an Afghan convoy with an explosives-laden car, killing eight.
7/5/07 Afghanistan Zherai 2 0 Religious extremists hang two men 'before the public.'
7/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 24 4 Sectarian Jihadis kidnap and execute two dozen dead Iraqis.
7/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 18 30 Eighteen people at a wedding party are blown to bits by Sunni car bombers.
7/5/07 Somalia Bossaso 1 0 A government employee is gunned down at a restaurant.
7/5/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A civilian is gunned down by militant Muslims.
7/5/07 Algeria Tizi Ouzou 1 0 An Algerian soldier is killed by a remote-controlled bomb planted by fundamentalists.
7/5/07 Iran Takestan 1 0 Authorities stone a man to death for adultery.
7/4/07 Pakistan Bannu 11 6 Two children are among eleven people killed when a suicide car bomber rams into a group of vehicles.
7/4/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 A civilian is killed in a shootout between two Islamist groups.
7/4/07 Iraq Ramadi 14 17 Fourteen innocents are blown to bits by Jihadi car bombers.
7/4/07 Pakistan Swat 1 4 Pro-Taliban militants fire a rocket into a police station, killing one officer.
7/4/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 7 0 Six Canadians and one Afghan are killed by a roadside bomb planted by religious extremists.
7/4/07 Iraq Baghdad 23 9 A woman and her daughter, and two journalists, are among two dozen people murdered by Islamic terrorists in various attacks.
7/4/07 Pakistan Charbagh 1 0 al-Qaeda militants gun down a policeman on his way to work.
7/4/07 Iraq Baiji 7 18 Sunnis bomb a restaurant, killing seven people.
7/4/07 India Kupwara 1 0 A man is killed in a Mujahideen landmine attack.
7/4/07 Pakistan Swat 4 2 Four civilians are killed when a Muslim terrorist tosses a grenade onto a city street.
7/4/07 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Islamists abduct and murder two members of a religious minority sect.
7/3/07 Iraq Baghdad 24 4 Three sewer workers and two gardeners are among two dozen people killed in random Jihad attacks.
7/3/07 Pakistan Islamabad 3 0 A Pakistani soldier, businessman and a cameraman are shot to death by student radicals at a madrassah.
7/3/07 Iraq Baghdad 18 40 Sunni bombers send eighteen market-goers straight to Allah, while leaving another forty in agony.
7/3/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A young woman is shot to death by Muslims as she is picking up food for her mother.
7/3/07 India Rajouri 1 1 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorists attack a security patrol, killing one member.
7/2/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 7 0 Seven Afghan cops are blown to bits by a Taliban roadside bombing.
7/2/07 Afghanistan Khost 1 1 An education director is gunned down by religious extremists.
7/2/07 Pakistan Mir Ali 1 1 al-Qaeda backed militants kill a Pakistani who resists kidnapping.
7/2/07 Iraq Baghdad 9 33 Sunni radicals car bomb a Shia neighborhood, sending at least nine innocents to Allah.
7/2/07 Yemen Marib 10 8 Eight Spanish tourists and their two drivers are murdered by an al-Qaeda suicide bomber, who rams into their convoy.
7/2/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 28-year-old villager is shot to death by Islamists.
7/2/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim radicals murder a 47-year-old rubber tapper on his way to work.
7/2/07 Somalia Horuwa 1 0 Two militant Muslims corner and gun down a government official.
7/2/07 Iraq Baghdad 26 18 Sectarian terror attacks between Sunnis and Shias leave over two dozen dead.
7/1/07 Iraq Mosul 19 0 At least nineteen bodies surface around the country of civilians kidnapped and executed by the Mujahideen.
7/1/07 Iraq Baghdad 18 12 A suicide bombing and other Jihad attacks account for fifteen dead Iraqis.
7/1/07 Iraq Ramadi 7 20 Seven Iraqi police are killed in separate suicide attacks by Fedayeen.
7/1/07 Afghanistan Helmand 1 4 A British soldier is killed by a suicide bomber.
7/1/07 Chechnya Grozny 2 2 A landmine attack kills two Russians.
7/1/07 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Muslim terrorists fire on a group of young students, killing a 58-year-old teacher and injuring two boys, ages 9 and 11.
7/1/07 Thailand Pattani 1 2 A woman is killed, and two other people injured when Islamic gunmen fire into a Buddhist tea shop.
6/30/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic militants murder a 53-year-old man.
6/30/07 India Pulwama 1 0 A civilian is abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
6/30/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 8 Sixteen Iraqis are murdered in various sectarian attacks.
6/30/07 Iraq Ferris 40 0 Children are beheaded as al-Qaeda massacres an entire village of Iraqis.
6/30/07 Iraq Muqdadiyah 25 22 A suicidal Sunni sends over two-dozen innocent people to the grave with a market blast.
6/30/07 Scotland Glasgow 0 5 Hoping for mass casualties, Islamic radicals ram a car filled with gas canisters into the main entrance of an airport.
6/30/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamic militias assassinate a government official.
6/30/07 Iraq Fallujah 4 0 Four people are beheaded by Islamic terrorists.
6/30/07 Chechnya Vedeno 1 2 Holy Warriors ambush a security patrol, killing one member.
6/30/07 Iraq Asiriya 2 12 Two children are killed, and a dozen more injured, when Jihadis mortar a soccer field.
6/29/07 Iraq Mishada 8 5 A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders eight Iraqis.
6/29/07 Pakistan FATA Region 1 0 An Afghan civilian is kidnapped and beheaded by Islamic militants.
6/29/07 Iraq Kut 11 1 A university professor is shot several time in the head and neck. Ten others are also murdered by Muslim terrorists.
6/29/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 11 At least three women are among fifteen people shot to death or blown up by Muslim terrorists.
6/29/07 Iraq Mosul 3 0 Three women are murdered by Islamic gunmen.
6/29/07 Afghanistan Khost 1 0 Religious extremists kidnap and behead a language interpreter.
6/29/07 Pakistan Larkana 2 0 A man shoots his wife and sister-in-law to death in an 'honor killing.'
6/29/07 Pakistan Tirah 1 0 Laskhar-i-Islam militants stone a man to death.
6/28/07 Thailand Songkhla 1 0 A 51-year-old village guard is shot to death by Jihadis as he is returning home.
6/28/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 4 Islamic terrorists target a security convoy along a busy road, killing two members.
6/28/07 Afghanistan Kabul 3 8 Two American civilians and an Afghan woman are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
6/28/07 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two teenagers are shot to death by Muslim terrorists.
6/28/07 Iraq Baghdad 25 50 Sunni radicals blow twenty-five innocent people to Allah at a bus stop.
6/28/07 Afghanistan Paktika 1 8 An 18-year-old Afghan civilian is killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
6/28/07 India Ramban 1 0 A civilian is abducted and beheaded by the Religion of Peace.
6/28/07 Iraq Baghdad 30 34 Several mortar attacks and shootings leave thirty Iraqis dead at the hands of Islamic terrorists.
6/28/07 India Pulwama 1 16 Lashkar-e-Toiba militants attack a security patrol, killing one member.
6/27/07 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Two Christians are murdered by Sunni radicals.
6/27/07 Iraq Al Khalis 19 28 Islamic terrorists barrage a residential area with mortars, killing at least nineteen innocents.
6/27/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 24 Islamic terrorists set off two car bombs, killing ten people.
6/27/07 Somalia Bardhere 1 1 The driver of a vehicle is killed in a bombing attack by Muslim militants.
6/27/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 2 Two civilians are killed when Muslim terrorists toss a grenade into a market.
6/27/07 Somalia El-Berde 2 0 Two humanitarian workers, one a doctor, are brutally gunned down.
6/27/07 Iraq Baghdad 21 0 Twenty-one victims of sectarian violence between Sunni and Shia are found bound and executed.
6/27/07 Iraq Samarrah 11 6 Eleven Iraqis are killed in at least two separate Jihad attack, here and in Kirukuk.
6/27/07 Thailand Yala 3 17 Muslims kill three people at a market, by hiding a bomb in a basket.
6/26/07 Iraq Basra 1 0 A religious cleric is gunned down by Muslim rivals.
6/26/07 India Pulwama 1 0 Militant Islamists abduct a constable from his home and behead him.
6/26/07 Somalia Mogadishu 6 9 Five cleaning women are among six killed by an Islamic bomb.
6/26/07 Thailand Pattani 1 4 A Muslim radical calmly fires into a Buddhist tea shop, killing at least one patron.
6/26/07 Bangladesh Nilphamari 0 10 Ten Christian converts from Islam are savagely beaten by a Muslim mob.
6/26/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 Islamists detonate a roadside bomb, killing one bystander.
6/25/07 Somalia Hurwa 2 2 A woman and a man are killed when Islamic militias slam a rocket into their house.
6/25/07 Lebanon Nahr al-Bared 2 0 A soldier and a civilian are killed by a Fatah al-Islam sniper.
6/25/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 3 Jihadis rack up sixteen dead Iraqis in various attacks.
6/25/07 Iraq Mosul 3 42 Three civilians are killed when Islamic terrorists bomb a residential area.
6/25/07 Iraq Baiji 27 62 Suicide bombers ram an explosives-laden truck into a gate, killing over two dozen innocents in the blast.
6/25/07 Iraq Baghdad 12 21 A Fedayeen bomber blasts a dozen people at a peace and reconciliation conference to death.
6/25/07 India Doda 2 14 The Mujahideen toss a grenade into a bus stand, killing two people.
6/25/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two middle-aged men are gunned down in separate attacks by Muslim radicals.
6/24/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 A man and a woman are shot to death by a suspected Muslim militant.
6/24/07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two elderly Buddhist brothers are murdered by radical Muslims, who then burn their bodies.
6/24/07 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Two women, including a female journalist, are gunned down by Muslim radicals.
6/24/07 Iraq Baghdad 14 6 The head of a children's hospital is among fourteen people murdered by Islamic terrorists.
6/24/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two Thai rangers are shot by Islamic terrorists while riding motorcycles.
6/24/07 Lebanon Dardara 6 2 Militant Islamists kill six UN Peacekeepers with a powerful suicide bomb.
6/24/07 Iraq Balad 1 0 Fundamentalists assassinate a feminist.
6/24/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 2 Religious extremists attack a police station, killing three Afghans.
6/24/07 Iraq Khalis 3 3 Islamic terrorists kill three girls and injure their mother and father in a bomb attack on the family vehicle.
6/23/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A off-duty cop is gunned down by an Islamist.
6/23/07 Afghanistan Helmand 2 0 Two Estonian mine-sweepers are killed in a Taliban rocket strike.
6/23/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 42-year-old Buddhist laborer is brutally killed and then set on fire by Muslim terrorists.
6/23/07 Pakistan Karam Kot 4 1 Four Pakistani troops are killed when terrorists bomb their vehicle.
6/23/07 Iraq Baghdad 18 2 Sectarian Jihadis rack up eighteen dead Iraqis in various attacks.
6/23/07 Iraq Hillah 2 18 Two people are killed in an Islamic terrorist car bombing.
6/23/07 Iraq Kufa 2 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a married couple to death.
6/23/07 Lebanon Nahr el-Bared 3 0 Three Lebanese troops are killed by a Fatah al-Islam bomb.
6/22/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 16-year-old Buddhist girl is shot to death by radical Muslims.
6/22/07 Pakistan Bannu 1 30 Radical Muslims attempt to attack a religious festival with small-arms fire and a grenade. One guard is killed.
6/22/07 Pakistan Khar 1 0 Islamic extremists behead a man, then attach a note to the body.
6/22/07 Thailand Yala 3 10 Three young boys are shot full of holes in the name of Allah at a tea shop.
6/22/07 Algeria Bouira 2 1 Two security guards are killed by two homemade bombs.
6/22/07 India Doda 1 0 The Mujahideen abduct and kill a civilian.
6/22/07 Thailand Yala 2 5 Muslim bombers target a Buddhist-owned teashop, killing three innocents.
6/22/07 Iraq Fallujah 5 57 A store bombing and a suicide attack on a telecom company net five dead Iraqis for freedom-fighting terrorists.
6/21/07 Pal. Auth. Nablus 1 0 A 32-year-old civilian is killed by Islamic gunmen.
6/21/07 Iraq Bahraz 3 15 Sunnis kill three villagers in a sustained attack on a Shia town.
6/21/07 Somalia Mogadishu 5 10 An Islamic militant tosses a grenade into a market, killing five people on the spot.
6/21/07 Afghanistan Nangarhar 3 1 Three Afghan cops are gunned down in a Taliban attack.
6/21/07 Pakistan Khapianga 3 0 A roadside blast kills three farmers.
6/21/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim shoot a 29-year-old, then attempt to behead him. The man bleeds to death.
6/21/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 54-year-old Buddhist is shot to death by Muslim radicals.
6/21/07 Iraq Soliman Bek 15 66 Suicidal Sunnis drive a truck full of explosives into a building, murdering at least fifteen people.
6/20/07 India Baramulla 1 2 A Harkat-ul-Mujahideen militant kills a homeowner with a grenade. The man's daughter and son are injured.
6/20/07 Afghanistan Khost 3 4 Talibanis enter a mosque and shoot three Afghan civilians to death.
6/20/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Muslim gunmen shoot an off-duty Buddhist policeman to death in front of his wife.
6/20/07 Iraq Baghdad 34 9 Sectarian Jihadis rack up thirty-four more dead Iraqis in various attacks.
6/20/07 Iraq Mosul 5 8 Two children and three women are killed in a mortar attack by Islamic terrorists.
6/20/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 0 Three Canadian peacekeepers are killed in a roadside attack by Islamic extremists.
6/20/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Islamic militias fire RPGs into a government building, killing at least two people.
6/20/07 Afghanistan Zabul 2 1 Religious extremists fire on a UN relief convoy, killing two Afghans.
6/19/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Islamists shoot a 27-year-old student to death in a drive-by attack.
6/19/07 Lebanon Nahr al-Bared 2 0 Fatah al-Islam radicals kill two more Lebanese troops.
6/19/07 Afghanistan Uruzgan 14 110 Islamic militants attack a village, murdering ten civilians and four Afghan police.
6/19/07 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A female college student is shot to death by Islamic fundamentalists.
6/19/07 Iraq Baghdad 23 19 Jihadis kill two dozen Iraqis in various shooting and mortar attacks.
6/19/07 Thailand Pattani 3 0 Thai Muslims kill three occupants of a vehicle with a roadside bomb.
6/19/07 Iraq Baghdad 87 224 Sunnis bomb an area outside a Shia mosque, sending eighty-seven souls to Allah and injuring over two-hundred others.
6/19/07 Iraq Tal Afar 2 0 A woman and a child are killed in a mortar attack by Sunni radicals.
6/18/07 Pakistan Jundo 1 0 A man kills his daughter for marrying the 'wrong' man.
6/18/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 23-year-old soldier is killed in an ambush by Muslim militants.
6/18/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 7 Islamists manage to kill two children with one bomb, hidden in a garbage pile.
6/18/07 Pal. Auth. Erez 1 3 Hamas gunmen open fire on Palestinians huddled in a tunnel, killing at least one.
6/18/07 Somalia Bakara 1 1 A civilian is assassinated at a local market is a suspected Islamic militia attack.
6/18/07 Lebanon Narh al-Bared 3 0 Three more Lebanese soldiers are killed by Fatah al-Islam militants.
6/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 33 0 Thirty-three victims of sectarian violence are found in different locations.
6/18/07 Thailand Yala 0 14 Muslims bomb a Buddhist-owned teashop, injuring fourteen patrons.
6/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 9 25 Islamic terrorists bomb a gas station, killing nine patrons.
6/18/07 Iraq Falluja 5 25 Two Jihad bombings leave at least five civilians dead.
6/17/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 0 Three soldiers and an interpreter are murdered in a Taliban roadside attack.
6/17/07 Iraq Jizani al-Emam 17 0 Seventeen villagers are killed during an attack by the Islamic Army of Iraq.
6/17/07 Afghanistan Kabul 35 35 Three dozen Afghans are blown to Allah by Islamic bombers in an attack on a transportation hub.
6/17/07 Somalia Baidoa 1 3 A child is killed when Islamists toss a grenade into a bank.
6/17/07 Afghanistan Herat 2 0 The Taliban attack a remote police post, killing two officers.
6/17/07 Pakistan Peshawar 1 0 The Taliban shoot a suspected narcotics dealer to death.
6/17/07 Iraq Kirkuk 3 4 Sunni bombers kill three Kurds.
6/17/07 Iraq Fallujah 8 16 A pregnant woman and her husband are among eight innocents killed in two attacks by Islamic terrorists.
6/16/07 Afghanistan Kabul 4 6 A suicide bomber sends four Afghan civilians to Allah.
6/16/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 An 82-year-old man is shot to death by Muslim terrorists.
6/16/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslims shoot a middle-aged civilian four times in the chest.
6/15/07 Somalia Mogadishu 4 10 A suicide bomber on a motorcycle slaughters four innocent people.
6/15/07 Thailand Pattani 3 1 Radical Muslims stop a group of villagers on the road and then open up on them with automatic weapons fire, killing three.
6/15/07 Somalia Baidoa 4 6 Fundamentalists throw grenades into a movie theater showing a foreign film, killing four innocents.
6/15/07 Afghanistan Uruzgan 9 7 A suicide bomber kills five children about 12-years of age and four adults.
6/15/07 Iraq Ramadi 13 0 The bodies of thirteen members of an athletic team are found shot to death by Muslim militants.
6/15/07 Iraq Mosul 4 0 A young boy is among four people killed by Jihadis.
6/15/07 Ingushetia Nazran 3 2 Two civilians and a police officer are killed in an attack by suspected Islamic extremists.
6/15/07 Lebanon Nahr el-Bared 4 6 Four Lebanese troops are killed when Fatah al-Islam terrorists blow up a building.
6/15/07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A young Buddhist man is among two civilians murdered by Islamists in separate drive-by attacks.
6/15/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 After gouging out his left eye, Hamas operatives shoot a 19-year-old man to death.
6/15/07 Thailand Yala 7 1 Islamists stage a brutal ambush on a Thai security patrol, killing seven members.
6/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 25 7 Twenty-five victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found, bound and executed.
6/15/07 Philippines Davao 10 18 Moro Islamic Liberation Front terrorists leave a bomb on a bus, blasting ten passengers to death.
6/15/07 India Sopore 2 7 Two Indian soldiers are killed in a Mujahideen ambush.
6/14/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 54-year-old man is shot to death by Muslim radicals as he is riding a motorcycle.
6/14/07 Pal. Auth. Rafah 7 0 Hamas round up seven Palestinian men and shoots them to death in front of their families. The gunmen then kneel in prayer.
6/14/07 Somalia Shibis 1 0 A man is shot to death by a suspected Islamic militia.
6/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 14 0 Fourteen Iraqi policemen and soldiers are executed on video by terrorists shouting 'God is Great'.
6/14/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 The Young Mujahideen Movement kill at least one civilian in an automatic weapons attack.
6/14/07 Iraq Balad 2 3 Islamic terrorists shoot two farmers to death.
6/14/07 India Kupwara 1 0 A man is shot to death in his home by the Mujahideen.
6/14/07 Pal. Auth. Khan Younis 1 0 Hamas members shoot a captured man to death, then stab and stomp on his body.
6/14/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza City 2 0 Two unarmed peace activists are shot to death by Hamas gunmen at a rally.
6/14/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 3 0 Hamas gunmen walk into a hospital and murder an injured patient as well as two women visiting him.
6/14/07 Pal. Auth Gaza 2 0 Two employees of the UN refugee relief agency are murdered by Hamas terrorists.
6/13/07 Thailand Pattani 2 8 Islamists bomb two groups of school guards, killing one in each party.
6/13/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 17 30 Two separate ambushes by Hamas ("Islamic Resistance") leaves close to twenty victims dead.
6/13/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A Buddhist salesman is beheaded by Islamic radicals, who then leave the body and head in separate bags.
6/13/07 Lebanon Beirut 10 11 A prominent anti-Syrian lawmaker and his son are among ten killed in a car bombing.
6/13/07 Afghanistan Mizan 1 0 The Taliban send an RPG into a house, killing a 7-year-old girl.
6/13/07 Iraq Ramadi 4 11 Four Iraqis are killed by a suicide bomber at a police checkpoint.
6/13/07 Iraq Mandali 5 10 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends five souls to Allah.
6/13/07 Iraq Baghdad 29 10 Jihads slaughter twenty-nine Iraqis in various attacks, including kidnapping, torture and executions.
6/13/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim terrorists kill a 44-year-old man and set fire to thirteen schools.
6/12/07 Lebanon Nahr Al-Bared 8 20 Eight Lebanese soldiers are killed over the course of two days by Fatah al-Islam militants.
6/12/07 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 1 0 A religious extremists blows himself up on a bicycle, killing a nearby police officer.
6/12/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 4 0 Hamas militants attack a home with rockets, killing three women and a 14-year-old boy.
6/12/07 Iraq Baghdad 33 20 Sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace accounts for thirty-three bodies in multiple attacks.
6/12/07 Iraq Khalis 4 4 Jihad gunmen take down four Iraq civilians, including two on a minibus.
6/12/07 Iraq Razaliyah 1 0 A Christian father of two young children is kidnapped and killed when he refuses to accept Islam.
6/12/07 Afghanistan Logar 2 4 A female teacher and a 13-year-old girl student are savagely murdered by religious fundamentalists.
6/12/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two Buddhists are brutally murdered by angry Muslims.
6/12/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 60-year-old teacher is shot in the back by Muslim radicals.
6/11/07 Iraq Mosul 5 0 Islamic gunmen storm a home and murder four women and a man.
6/11/07 Lebanon Nahr al-Bared 2 1 Two Red Cross workers are killed by Fatah al-Islam militants.
6/11/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two female Buddhists teachers are shot to death by Muslim radicals who invade the school with assault weapons.
6/11/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 56-year-old Buddhist is shot to death by Islamists while riding a motorcycle.
6/11/07 India Ramban 2 1 A civilian and a cop are murdered by Islamic radicals.
6/11/07 India Pulwama 1 0 The Mujahideen capture a soldier and slit his throat.
6/10/07 Iraq Baghdad 20 26 A "coffin bomb" adds to the misery as Islamic terrorists kill twenty Iraqis in various attacks.
6/10/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 Hamas ("Islamic Resistance") operatives throw a man to his death from a tower.
6/10/07 Iraq Tikrit 14 42 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends fourteen souls to Allah.
 



Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 09, 2007, 11:36:13 AM
>>Why not, now, answer the fucking question?<<

Every time I hear, "answer the fuckin' question," I can't help but hear it in the Irishman's accent from Braveheart.  :D

Anyway ... I did answer. Socialism is certianly a religion (yours), and has killed more people than all the major religions combined. Moa, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler. All of them socialists and all of them mass murderers.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 09, 2007, 11:50:04 AM
Radical Christians, Radical Muslims. Radical. Radical holding signs ...radical signing holds on others. Radicals killing in fields. Radicals running from the law of peace. Radical dressed to fight with no panties

Radical far reaching extremists running for office and running from the law of nature.

There's no room for discussion about religions of the world when one stands on the premise of radical works.

Why are we in the mess we're in in all of the world stage?

Radicalism in it's purity.
Not religion.
Well, you might have a point here, Cynthia. Aristotle did wisely advise moderation in all things.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: _JS on August 09, 2007, 12:18:45 PM
What would those flowers be? Can you name me a international Christian terrorists organization? Do you have any video of Christians chanting John 3:16 while they saw of a Muslim's head? Or can you point to anything that isn't 600 years old?

God's Army, the Nagaland Rebels, National Democratic Front of Bodoland, Lord's Resistance Army, INLA, PIRA, RIRA, CIRA, Red Hand Commandos, UDA, UFF, Red Hand Defenders, Orange Volunteers, PFLP (contains both Christians and Muslims), ETA, FLNC (Corsica), Boeremag, and probably some that I missed.

That isn't 600 years old? You don't really want to get into that. And yes, yes I can.

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Yet the left simply cannot deviate from it's template. They hate Christianity, regardless of the fact that there is a religion out there that actually does the things they fantasize that Christians do. Liberals claim Christians demand theocracy. Muslims actually do it. Liberals claim Christians are bigoted toward women. Muslims actually are. Liberals claim Christians are racist. Muslims actually are. Liberals claim Christians aren't tolerant of others religions or sexual preferences. Muslim's kill members of other religions and homosexuals. Liberals claim Christians force their faith on others. Muslims kill you if you don't convert.

I don't consider myself a "liberal," but I am a leftist. I am also a Christian and very proud of that. Your statements about Islam are very false. Yes, there are some on the radical fringe who do these things, but most Muslims would no more wish to harm another person than anyone on this forum would.

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Your cognizance seems to be lacking if the best you can do is ... once again, attack Christians while turning a blind eye to the poison orchard of Islam.

I don't believe Domer is attacking Christians or turning a blind eye to militant Islam as much as saying that the history of both religions has done a great deal of damage as well as good. Or at least that is what I take from it.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 09, 2007, 12:48:50 PM
that is the problem with our country
many on the Left want to pretend/impy that there is some equivalent violence from Christians today as we see every single day from radical islam
in reality there is no such equivalence and it's not even close
they want to deny the obvious
we live in today's world, not decades or centuries ago
there are not headlines all over the world every day of christians killing people in the name of their religion


(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/ManHosesTerrorist.jpg)

The stunning contrast between Western values and radical Islamic values in this snapshot from
Glasgow, where an airport worker saves the life of the Muslim who is attempting to kill him.
(Photo from the Daily Mail)
 
 


Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 09, 2007, 12:54:16 PM
>>God's Army, the Nagaland Rebels, National Democratic Front of Bodoland, Lord's Resistance Army, INLA, PIRA, RIRA, CIRA, Red Hand Commandos, UDA, UFF, Red Hand Defenders, Orange Volunteers, PFLP (contains both Christians and Muslims), ETA, FLNC (Corsica), Boeremag, and probably some that I missed. That isn't 600 years old? You don't really want to get into that. And yes, yes I can.<<

Who?  :D

This of course proves my point. No Christian group operates anything like Islmaic Jihad, Hamas etc.


>>Your statements about Islam are very false.<<

Would you like to borrow my copy of the Quran? These statements are absolutely true and a cursory examination of Islamic customs and Shiria laws proves me correct.

>>I don't believe Domer is attacking Christians or turning a blind eye to militant Islam as much as saying that the history of both religions has done a great deal of damage as well as good. Or at least that is what I take from it.<<

My point was that people like domer can never examine Islam without first taking a swipe at Christianity. They've been programed to do it, and they always do.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: kimba1 on August 09, 2007, 02:19:04 PM
I can`t believe I`m saying this
wrong chicken massacre.
it`s the one which china killed ever single chicken and duck in the country.
due to a bird flu that killed 6 people
it`s rumored this was the precurser to SARS
does anyone remember this?
I brought this up at least 3 times here.
has it finally faded in our memories?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Amianthus on August 09, 2007, 02:35:50 PM
it`s the one which china killed ever single chicken and duck in the country.
due to a bird flu that killed 6 people

They destroyed 1.4 million chickens and ducks, all from areas where infections had been demonstrated. That's not "every single chicken and duck" in the country, it's not even close - it's estimated that China has a chicken population of 12 billion and a duck population of 3 billion. They killed approximately 1/100 of one percent of the fowl population. And it's not really news. We destroy feed animals all the time when an infection that can be transmitted to humans has been suspected.

What's news is that China waited so long to do it...

They've stepped up their inspections. China destroyed over 9 million poultry in the next 4 years, and they continue to search for and destroy infected populations.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: _JS on August 09, 2007, 04:11:17 PM
Who?  :D

This of course proves my point. No Christian group operates anything like Islmaic Jihad, Hamas etc.

No, it just proves that you (like many Americans) don't know much about the outside world beyond what our lousy media tells you. You seriously don't know who the RIRA, CIRA, or Orange Volunteers are?

Wow.

The fact that most Americans just started noticing terrorism after 11 September 2001 doesn't mean it never existed before that date.

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Would you like to borrow my copy of the Quran? These statements are absolutely true and a cursory examination of Islamic customs and Shiria laws proves me correct.

I've read it. I've taken a university course on Islam. I have a pair of close Muslim friends, who I have witnessed acting more charitably than many Christians I know. So yes, let's discuss Muslim customs and Sharia law if you like, but be warned that if you are going to base it on literal translations, then you have to accept the same treatment of the Bible. If you want to look at Muslim historical tradition then you have to be prepared to look at Christian historical tradition as well. Can you do that?

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My point was that people like domer can never examine Islam without first taking a swipe at Christianity. They've been programed to do it, and they always do.

That's between you and Domer. Whether Muslim, Protestant, or Catholic we are all human and sin. The majority of Muslims have no desire to harm anyone. The majority of Catholics have no desire to harm anyone. Turning this into a religious war with all of Islam is a huge and inexcusable error.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 09, 2007, 05:42:57 PM
Muslim, Protestant, or Catholic we are all human and sin. The majority of Muslims have no desire to harm anyone. The majority of Catholics have no desire to harm anyone. Turning this into a religious war with all of Islam is a huge and inexcusable error.
 
more ridiculous "equatement"
the problem is current reality
all religions are not equal in current day violent attacks in the name of their religion
sure most muslims, catholics, christians, hindus, jews are peaceful
but islam is very, very, very different
because islam is the only one that currently has an extremely violent radical sect that threatens world peace
there is no current non-muslim religious group threatening world peace and in daily headlines carrying out deadly attacks in the name of their religion
reality can not be denied


 
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 09, 2007, 06:37:20 PM
>>No, it just proves that you (like many Americans) don't know much about the outside world beyond what our lousy media tells you. You seriously don't know who the RIRA, CIRA, or Orange Volunteers are?<<

Spin away my friend. Spin away.

The fact is, I'm more informed than the majority of the current population of the US. As are most of the people in this forum. These groups you've dug up don't represent Christian "terrorist" groups. They represent a political struggle, not a religious one. And if the best you can do is come up with Irish groups, you've proved my point once again! This is the old stand by for people making excuses for Islam. They bring up Ireland (which my wife and I visited last year by the way). The Irish "troubles" hardly meet the criteria here.

By the way, do the RIRA or the Orange Volunteers strap bombs on their children and send them to the local pub? Any video of them sawing off each others heads?

Keep trying.

Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 09, 2007, 08:24:26 PM
it doesn't really matter who has killed more decades or centuries ago
what is relevant is today
and who today is killing in the name of their religion in far greater numbers?

And in this country a Muslim can preach on the street corner. Wanna guess what would happen if a Christian tried that in Saudi Arabia?

I see the Left has skirted answering my question here. Could it be because it is TRUE?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 09, 2007, 10:24:46 PM
<<And in this country a Muslim can preach on the street corner. Wanna guess what would happen if a Christian tried that in Saudi Arabia?>>

No, I wanna guess what would happen if I stood on a street corner in Birmingham Alabama and gave a little speech about American atrocities in Iraq.
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<<8/8/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 66-year-old man is brutally shot to death by Islamists as he is walking in his orchard.
8/8/07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Muslim gunmen storm a medical clinic and murder two workers.
8/7/07 Chechnya Grozny 2 0 Two Russians are shot to death in a Mujahideen ambush.
8/7/07 Pakistan Banda 1 0 A security patrol member is blown apart by Islamists while fetching water from a stream.
8/7/07 Iraq Samarra 5 2 Three women and two children are killed in a Jihad mortar attack. etc., etc.>>

I hope some old Nazi S.S. veteran is reading this somewhere.  He'd split his sides laughing.  The whole fucking list won't add up to one per cent of the killing carried out by a Christian nation like Germany in WWII.  Add in the two million Vietnamese killed by Christian America, the 100,000 to 600,000 killed in Iraq by Christian America, the death toll in Lebanon caused by Israelis and Christian Phalangists, hope you are getting the idea.  Almost left out the 46 Jews lynched by a Roman Catholic Polish mob in Kielce in 1946, angry that Hitler hadn't been able to finish the job, or the thousand or so killed during the war by the villagers of Jedwabne after the Germans gave the local Poles four hours to "deal with" the Jews on their own.   If I had the time to set them out one line at a time like Richpo's list of Muslim "atrocities," I'd never finish.  Some of his stuff aren't even atrocities - - "Russians shot to death in Mujahideen ambush in Chechnya" is about as much of an "atrocity" as "Germans shot dead in occupied Paris by the French Resistance."  If I had a buck for every Palestinian farmer shot to death in his field by Israeli settlers or soldiers, I'd be able to treat everyone here to a gourmet dinner in Paris.

Christians like Rich and the Professor love to demonize the Muslims, but I'll tell ya, point a finger and there are three more (or five or six, depending on what kinda hand you have) pointing back at you.  History demonstrates that the biggest, most vicious, most prolific killers of all time are, hands down, the Christians.  Nobody else can even come close.  But that won't stop them demonizing Muslims.  They can't face the truth. 
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<<The stunning contrast between Western values and radical Islamic values in this snapshot from
Glasgow, where an airport worker saves the life of the Muslim who is attempting to kill him.
(Photo from the Daily Mail)>>

He's a fireman doing his job, for Chrissake.  There's no way of knowing if he even knew the guy in the car was a "terrorist" and even if he did, it's his job to get the guy out.

Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: BT on August 09, 2007, 10:59:30 PM

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No, I wanna guess what would happen if I stood on a street corner in Birmingham Alabama and gave a little speech about American atrocities in Iraq.



Birmingham, Alabama 03/2005

Birmingham had two peace actions: an outdoor rally sponsored by the Birmingham Peace Project and Pax Christi in Five Points South featuring poetry from community poets, actors, special ed students and activists structured around the subject: "You Can't Win a War Against Yourself." Around 125 people attended.

A follow-up event took place at Highland Coffee Company where actor/singers from The Politically Incorrect Cabaret presented "Brecht on War," an hour of antiwar poetry and song with texts by playwright/poet Bertolt Brecht and composers Hanns Eisler and Kurt Weill.

http://answer.pephost.org/site/News2?abbr=ANS_&page=NewsArticle&id=6037

Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 09, 2007, 11:18:53 PM
Still wanna guess what would happen to me if I stood on a street corner in Birmingham Alabama without the company of a hundred or so like-minded individuals and most likely a substantial police presence as well and just gave a little speech on American atrocities in Iraq.

Not that I'm not astonished that Kurt Weill and Bertold Brecht were performed in Birmingham.  Even for 125 spectators.   Holy fucking shit.  You sandbagged me with that one, BT.  Who woulda thunk?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: BT on August 10, 2007, 12:18:15 AM
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You sandbagged me with that one, BT.  Who woulda thunk?

It's the new south baby. You have the right to be heard and also be ignored, just like up nawth!
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 10, 2007, 12:49:19 AM
<<And in this country a Muslim can preach on the street corner. Wanna guess what would happen if a Christian tried that in Saudi Arabia?>>

No, I wanna guess what would happen if I stood on a street corner in Birmingham Alabama and gave a little speech about American atrocities in Iraq.
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<<8/8/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 66-year-old man is brutally shot to death by Islamists as he is walking in his orchard.
8/8/07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Muslim gunmen storm a medical clinic and murder two workers.
8/7/07 Chechnya Grozny 2 0 Two Russians are shot to death in a Mujahideen ambush.
8/7/07 Pakistan Banda 1 0 A security patrol member is blown apart by Islamists while fetching water from a stream.
8/7/07 Iraq Samarra 5 2 Three women and two children are killed in a Jihad mortar attack. etc., etc.>>

I hope some old Nazi S.S. veteran is reading this somewhere.  He'd split his sides laughing.  The whole fucking list won't add up to one per cent of the killing carried out by a Christian nation like Germany in WWII.  Add in the two million Vietnamese killed by Christian America, the 100,000 to 600,000 killed in Iraq by Christian America, the death toll in Lebanon caused by Israelis and Christian Phalangists, hope you are getting the idea.  Almost left out the 46 Jews lynched by a Roman Catholic Polish mob in Kielce in 1946, angry that Hitler hadn't been able to finish the job, or the thousand or so killed during the war by the villagers of Jedwabne after the Germans gave the local Poles four hours to "deal with" the Jews on their own.   If I had the time to set them out one line at a time like Richpo's list of Muslim "atrocities," I'd never finish.  Some of his stuff aren't even atrocities - - "Russians shot to death in Mujahideen ambush in Chechnya" is about as much of an "atrocity" as "Germans shot dead in occupied Paris by the French Resistance."  If I had a buck for every Palestinian farmer shot to death in his field by Israeli settlers or soldiers, I'd be able to treat everyone here to a gourmet dinner in Paris.

Christians like Rich and the Professor love to demonize the Muslims, but I'll tell ya, point a finger and there are three more (or five or six, depending on what kinda hand you have) pointing back at you.  History demonstrates that the biggest, most vicious, most prolific killers of all time are, hands down, the Christians.  Nobody else can even come close.  But that won't stop them demonizing Muslims.  They can't face the truth. 
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<<The stunning contrast between Western values and radical Islamic values in this snapshot from
Glasgow, where an airport worker saves the life of the Muslim who is attempting to kill him.
(Photo from the Daily Mail)>>

He's a fireman doing his job, for Chrissake.  There's no way of knowing if he even knew the guy in the car was a "terrorist" and even if he did, it's his job to get the guy out.



MT, I respectfully disagree. You are letting your apparent hatred for Christianity (interesting that Christians are the primary supporters of the Jewish nation...think about that) color your view.

The FACT is that in this country you can try to convert others to your religion but in most Muslim nations, you can't. In fac,t you more than likely will get killed for it. What does THAT say about that faith?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 10, 2007, 02:19:35 AM
<<MT, I respectfully disagree. You are letting your apparent hatred for Christianity (interesting that Christians are the primary supporters of the Jewish nation...think about that) color your view.>>

Professor, I don't HAVE a "hatred" for Christianity.  I don't believe in it but they're people just like anyone else and as a religion it's no more dopey and wrong-headed than any other.  What I quoted are actual facts, and if you knew the history of the Jews you'd probably have to agree that (a) they suffered more over the centuries from racist and religious violence than have any other people on earth and (b) every really huge massacre of the Jews, from the Crusades through the Ukrainian peasant revolt through the Spanish Inquisition through the pogroms of Eastern Europe through the Holocaust was caused by people who were either practicing, religious Christians or had been born and raised in that religion.  I don't dwell on it in everyday life, but it has to come out when I see Christians laying claim to a moral superiority they have absolutely no right to, and accusing others of violence and killing when their own record on that is worse than any other religion on this planet.

And BTW the Christians who "support" Israel happen to be supporting the worst elements in the country - - the right-wing, "no land for peace" zealots and fanatics who mean to hang on to every square inch of what they consider the Promised Land regardless of how much pain and injustice they cause to their Arab neighbours.  As a Jew, I'm ashamed of them.  It's like claiming that Bush supporters are supporters of "America."  You don't support a nation by supporting the very worst, lowest, most violent and hate-filled elements in that nation - - the fascists, the militarists, the racists, the torturers, the war-mongers.  Christians who support Israel have their own agenda.  That's "support" the Jews should renounce and run from as fast as they can.

<<The FACT is that in this country you can try to convert others to your religion but in most Muslim nations, you can't. In fac,t you more than likely will get killed for it. What does THAT say about that faith?>>

Well, what are they, about 1400 years old as a religion?  When the Christian religion was about that age, it was in the throes of the Spanish Inquisition.  You would DEFINITELY have gotten killed for proselytizing for any other religion and in a very, very painful and imaginative way as well.  You know what it says about the Muslim faith?  I think it says that they're about on a par with Christianity, only better because they're more monotheistic and less idolatrous.  They don't worship a Son and they don't worship a Virgin Mother.  And they don't put up little statues of their gods all over the place.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: _JS on August 10, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
MT,

You are correct about Nazi Germany. Indeed, if some people would read Mein Kampf as opposed to simply believing the modern myth that Hitler, the Nazis, and Germans were all a part of some Neo-pagan cult, they might be stunned at what they find. Hitler was very much influenced by both Catholic and Protestant thought and he found quite a bit of his ideas and organization from Christian tradition.

On the other hand, not all Christians simply gave in to Fascist thought and anti-Semitic hatred. You should be aware of people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Saint Edith Stein, Simone Weil, and Angelo Roncalli (later Pope John XXIII) whose actions before and during World War II were...well, you should learn more about it.

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they (Jews) suffered more over the centuries from racist and religious violence than have any other people on earth

I think that is debatable, but no one will say that they haven't suffered a great deal throughout history.

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They don't worship a Son and they don't worship a Virgin Mother.  And they don't put up little statues of their gods all over the place.

Nice. That is one of those cheap shots at Catholics, which is no better than the cheap shots at Muslims. We don't and never have worshipped Mary or any statues. That is a myth, very much spread by Protestants mostly in England and America.

One could spread the same rubbish about Jews and Elijah, whom it was tradition for some to leave an empty chair for at dinner. And by the way Muslims also believe in the Virgin Mother and that she was without sin.

grrrr...
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 10, 2007, 10:50:18 AM
>>Add in the two million Vietnamese killed by Christian America, the 100,000 to 600,000 killed in Iraq by Christian America, the death toll in Lebanon caused by Israelis and Christian Phalangists, hope you are getting the idea.<<

If we're counting bodies, let's not forget the 100 million or so killed by socialists like yourself.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 10, 2007, 11:13:23 AM
>>I hope some old Nazi S.S. veteran is reading this somewhere. He'd split his sides laughing. The whole fucking list won't add up to one per cent of the killing carried out by a Christian nation like Germany in WWII.<<

What this leftist moron can?t seem to understand is Hilter?s Germany did nothing IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Muslim terrorists goal is religious. They want you converted, OR DEAD. Hilter denounced religion and it was never his goal to convert people to christianity because he despised it!


>>Add in the two million Vietnamese killed by Christian America ...<<

Were American G.I.s chanting John 3:16 while they were killing innocent Vietnamese women and children?


>>the 100,000 to 600,000 killed in Iraq by Christian America,...<<

Bullshit figure, next.

>>If I had the time to set them out one line at a time like Richpo's list of Muslim "atrocities,"<<

It didn?t post the list. It?s tough to pay attantion while you?re posting bullshit I guess. the list is of course perfectly reliable. You of course just can?t get over your ingraned Chritian bashing. It?s the template again.

No evidence will get through you're closed and twisted mind. A simple list of all the people killed in the name of Islam points out EXACTLY who's doing the killing, but you still go back to lying about Christians. Pathetic. I can picture you with your fingers chanting, ?la la la ... Christians are Nazi?s ... la la la?

>>If I had a buck for every Palestinian farmer shot to death in his field by Israeli settlers or soldiers, I'd be able to treat everyone here to a gourmet dinner in Paris.<<

I pay you $100 to give some evidence for this bullshit. You?re nothing but a brain washed zombie repeating the propaghanda of terrorists.

>>Christians like Rich and the Professor love to demonize the Muslims, but I'll tell ya, point a finger and there are three more (or five or six, depending on what kinda hand you have) pointing back at you.<<

You?ve dodne nothing to supprt your lies. Nothing. Muslims are killing people everyday in the name of their ?God? and all you can do is attack christians. It?s what you do. You?ve been doing it for so long well a jihadist finally catches you, and is sawing your head of chanting god is great, you?ll STILL defend him.

>>History demonstrates that the biggest, most vicious, most prolific killers of all time are, hands down, the Christians. Nobody else can even come close. But that won't stop them demonizing Muslims. They can't face the truth.<<

Like i said. NOBODY comes close to MAO, STALIN, POL POT, HITLER ... ALL your brother Socialists. Guys just like YOU.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: gipper on August 10, 2007, 07:01:34 PM
The debate in this thead (and elsewhere) seems to be between a faction of Oxford summas vs. a faction of junior-college wannabes. You figure out the sides. (This is not intended as a proclamation of superiority (I fall somewhere in between), but as a statement of respect for learning and truth.)
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 10, 2007, 08:11:37 PM
LOL... ;D
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 10, 2007, 11:35:14 PM
<<You should be aware of people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Saint Edith Stein, Simone Weil, and Angelo Roncalli (later Pope John XXIII) whose actions before and during World War II were...well, you should learn more about it.>>

Maybe you're the one who should learn more about it, your list was pretty short - - you left out the Assisi Underground, Zegota (a Polish underground organization dedicated to rescuing Jews) and thousands of others.  MY point wasn't that ALL Christians are evil hate-filled murderers, only that some clown like Rich has absolutely ZERO right to point an accusing finger at any other religion as killers and evildoers when his own religion, Christianity, has more blood on its collective hands (even accounting for the good guys and their rescue missions) than any other religion on this planet.  And I'll stand by that point
<<I think that [that the Jews suffered more than anyone else from racial and religious violence] is debatable, but no one will say that they haven't suffered a great deal throughout history.>>

Good, now it's my turn to tell YOU to learn more about it.  But since you usually seem to know what you're talking about, I'll back-track a bit - - they suffered more than any other race or religion that I'VE ever heard about.

<<We don't and never have worshipped Mary or any statues. That is a myth, very much spread by Protestants mostly in England and America.>>

Give me a break.  You PRAY to Mary AND to Jesus, just like the two of them were gods.  I don't knock it, that's certainly your right.  I just don't happen to agree with it.  And just because some deracinated North American Catholics perceive the statues one way doesn't mean that's the only way they're seen.  You oughtta read Gabriele D'Annunzio's short story, Gli Idolatri (The Idolators) for another, way over the top, view of them.  Fantastic short story, BTW, one of my all-time faves.

<<One could spread the same rubbish about Jews and Elijah, whom it was tradition for some to leave an empty chair for at dinner. >>

Oy.  Now HE'S telling ME about Elijah.  FYI, Elijah is for FUN.  It's a common JOKE to watch Elijah's glass and pretend to see the wine level going down as Elijah "drinks" it, or tell him to slow down because he's driving back.  It's not meant to be taken seriously.  And BTW, it's not "at dinner," it's only done at Passover dinners. 

<<And by the way Muslims also believe in the Virgin Mother and that she was without sin.>>

News to me.  BIG mistake.  I'm gonna have to straighten them out.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 10, 2007, 11:37:27 PM
<<If we're counting bodies, let's not forget the 100 million  or so killed by socialists like yourself.>>

LOL.  Sure, Rich.  Whatever you say.  And while we're at it, why not make it an even billion?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on August 11, 2007, 02:13:41 AM
The whole fucking list won't add up to one per cent of the killing carried out by a Christian nation like Germany in WWII. 

The best you can come up with is over 50 years ago? It is 2007.
No matter how you try to hide it with ancient history analogy, unlike Islam there are no other religions that are in the headlines all over the world every single day with stories of killing/murderering people in the name of their religion.

Add in the two million Vietnamese killed by Christian America

The deaths of any Vietnamese during the Vietnam War(decades ago) was not a result of any religious dogma reasons like the many groups within current day Islam that are killing people in the name of their religion.

the 100,000 to 600,000 killed in Iraq by Christian America, the death toll in Lebanon caused by Israelis and Christian Phalangists, hope you are getting the idea. 

No, all I see is false dichotomy.
People killed during and after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by United States and Coalitiion forces were not killed for dogmatic religious reasons.


Christians like Rich and the Professor love to demonize the Muslims, but I'll tell ya, point a finger and there are three more (or five or six, depending on what kinda hand you have) pointing back at you.  History demonstrates that the biggest, most vicious, most prolific killers of all time are, hands down, the Christians.  Nobody else can even come close.  But that won't stop them demonizing Muslims.  They can't face the truth. 

The truth is we live in today's world, not decades or centuries ago.
And once again it is indisputable that in the present no other religion threatens world peace or is in the headlines on a daily basis for killing people in the name of their religion like Islam.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Plane on August 11, 2007, 09:51:19 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/Intolerance-lillian_gish.jpg/180px-Intolerance-lillian_gish.jpg)
Lillian Gish in Intolerance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerance_(film)

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Considered to be one of the most spectacular films of all time, Intolerance was a colossal undertaking filled with monumental sets, lavish period costumes, and more than 3,000 extras. The film consisted of four distinct but parallel stories that demonstrated mankind's intolerance during four different ages in world history. The timeline covered approximately 2,500 years, beginning with:

 
The "Babylonian" period (539 BC) depicts the fall of Babylon as a result of intolerance arising from a conflict between devotees of different Babylonian gods.
The "Judean" era (circa 27 AD) recounts how intolerance led to the crucifixion of Jesus.
The French Renaissance (1572) tells of the failure of the Edict of Toleration that led to the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre.
Modern America (1914) demonstrates how crime, moral puritanism, and conflicts between ruthless capitalists and striking workers helped ruin the lives of Americans.


Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: _JS on August 13, 2007, 10:07:12 AM
Give me a break.  You PRAY to Mary AND to Jesus, just like the two of them were gods.  I don't knock it, that's certainly your right.  I just don't happen to agree with it.  And just because some deracinated North American Catholics perceive the statues one way doesn't mean that's the only way they're seen.  You oughtta read Gabriele D'Annunzio's short story, Gli Idolatri (The Idolators) for another, way over the top, view of them.  Fantastic short story, BTW, one of my all-time faves.

We ask Mary to pray for us. Though there were (and probably are) people guilty of idolatry towards Our Lady, that has never been the position of the Church. Statues, icons, and art (including the cross) have been part of Christian heritage since the earliest of times. It does not make them objects of worship anymore than preachers who hold up their Bibles and pray are worshipping their Bibles.

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Oy.  Now HE'S telling ME about Elijah.  FYI, Elijah is for FUN.  It's a common JOKE to watch Elijah's glass and pretend to see the wine level going down as Elijah "drinks" it, or tell him to slow down because he's driving back.  It's not meant to be taken seriously.  And BTW, it's not "at dinner," it's only done at Passover dinners.

Now do you see how easy it is to turn something innocent into something sinister? ;) 

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News to me.  BIG mistake.  I'm gonna have to straighten them out.

You should study Islam some, it is truly a fascinating religion.

By the way, I was trying to be on your side in this argument. But I don't think defending Muslims by mauling Catholics (like myself) is a very good tactic.

Though you're right about much of what you say. And only the most ultra-conservative traditionalist Catholic is going to hide in the sand and claim that we historically treated the Jewish people with anything but horrible contempt (with a few exceptions) in the Middle Ages. It was after all Italian cities who invented the idea of marking Jews with yellow clothing or badges in Venice and Rome in the Jewish slums. Even after the Reformation it was Martin Luther who wrote about the solution to the "Jewish problem."

So let me ask, is it people like Irving Layton from whom a lot of this viewpoint stems? (By the way I think Layton is amongst Canada's greatest poets, so I'm not chastising Canadian authors here).
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Henny on August 13, 2007, 10:34:21 AM
it doesn't really matter who has killed more decades or centuries ago
what is relevant is today
and who today is killing in the name of their religion in far greater numbers?

And in this country a Muslim can preach on the street corner. Wanna guess what would happen if a Christian tried that in Saudi Arabia?

I see the Left has skirted answering my question here. Could it be because it is TRUE?

Maybe that's because you're repeating yourself, Professor, from a thread months ago.

Again, your friend had no business being in Saudi Arabia proselytizing on the street corner, and he knew that going into it. Rather than lamenting this sob story and constantly pointing out the evils, why not just admit - their country, not our business what religion they follow? Certainly, they are not the only ones.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Michael Tee on August 13, 2007, 12:18:56 PM
<<By the way, I was trying to be on your side in this argument. But I don't think defending Muslims by mauling Catholics (like myself) is a very good tactic.>>

You should re-read the post.  I wasn't "mauling" the Catholics, only pointing out that that as strict monotheists and non-idolators the Muslims were closer to the Jewish religion than the Catholics were.  I'm also well aware of the RCC tradition regarding icons and statues (I believe the Eastern Orthodox Christians have a different take on certain icons) but, as d'Annunzio's "Gl'Idolatri" makes clear in a rather horrifying way, it is easy enough for the uneducated to slip into idolatry through the most innocent of Church statues and symbols.  Similarly with the veneration of Mary, it's easy to cross over into divine stature and of course the Church's doctrine is that Jesus was of divine origin.  As someone who doesn't even know if there is a God, let alone two or three or sixty-two of them, I'm not being negative towards either polytheism or idolatry, but facts are facts and the Muslims are doctrinally closer to the Jews than to Christianity in both of those key areas.

<<Though you're right about much of what you say. And only the most ultra-conservative traditionalist Catholic is going to hide in the sand and claim that we historically treated the Jewish people with anything but horrible contempt (with a few exceptions) in the Middle Ages. It was after all Italian cities who invented the idea of marking Jews with yellow clothing or badges in Venice and Rome in the Jewish slums. Even after the Reformation it was Martin Luther who wrote about the solution to the "Jewish problem.">>

Well it's nothing I like to dwell on, but I feel compelled to point it out only when there is this hateful diatribe against Islam as a "cult of violence" or "cult of death,"  in supposed contrast to the wonderful and beneficent Christianity.  Apropos Italy, Jewish survival rates in Italy were one of the highest in all Axis or Axis-occupied countries during WWII, which is directly attributable to the courageous attitude of millions of Italians in hiding and rescuing Jews, so whatever they did in the Middle Ages as far as I'm concerned is just water under the bridge.  They're a great people and unlike all the other fascist or former fascist countries, they took care of their own fascist dictator in their own way on their own initiative.

<<So let me ask, is it people like Irving Layton from whom a lot of this viewpoint stems? (By the way I think Layton is amongst Canada's greatest poets, so I'm not chastising Canadian authors here).>>

Sorry to have to admit this, JS, but I never read anything of Layton's.  Maybe I should.  "This viewpoint" is probably the viewpoint of every single Jew of European origin on the face of the earth.  It was my dad's, my uncles', my friends', my friends' parents' - - I don't actually know a single Jew who thinks that, historically, Christianity was anything but lethal for the Jews or that Jewish history under the Christians of Europe was anything other than a series of horrific massacres and persecutions culminating in the Holocaust.  No doubt it was Layton's POV also.  Mordechai Richler, another Canadian Jewish author whom I DID read (and wouldn't recommend) can speak of nothing else but.  If you read enough Philip Roth, you'll find it there as well.  I. B. Singer can't get away from it.  It's only with Jewish people of Sephardic (North African) ancestry and tradition that you DON'T find this viewpoint - - they lived in Muslim lands and were not persecuted to anywhere near the extent that the Jews of Europe were persecuted.  Persecution and massacre are just not a part of their history or tradition.  Not that it never happened, just that nothing like European proportions were ever achieved.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: _JS on August 13, 2007, 02:09:48 PM
Believe it or not, you find some difference in views amongst Jewish artists in postwar Europe, Canada, and America.

Layton, to my mind, writes one of the best poems on the subject and was just a skilled poet in general.

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For My Brother, Jesus

Irving Layton

For Jesus Christ

It began with delicate religious frissons
at the blinding of a young Jewess
who incautiously turned away her gaze
from your paraded likeness at Easter

One pontiff invented the ghetto;
more tender and loving, another commanded
shivering ghosts to wear out its cobblestones
warmed by the yellow Star of David.

Having mutilated under your mild forgiving eyes
your idol-hating brothers and sisters,
both peasant and duke knew the joys of penitence,
the ecstatic remorse in sinning flesh.

Your stoutest, most selfless partisans in Europe
laboured nearly two thousand years
to twist your Cross into the Swastika
that tore into our flesh like a fish-hook.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 13, 2007, 02:28:17 PM
it doesn't really matter who has killed more decades or centuries ago
what is relevant is today
and who today is killing in the name of their religion in far greater numbers?

And in this country a Muslim can preach on the street corner. Wanna guess what would happen if a Christian tried that in Saudi Arabia?

I see the Left has skirted answering my question here. Could it be because it is TRUE?

Maybe that's because you're repeating yourself, Professor, from a thread months ago.

Again, your friend had no business being in Saudi Arabia proselytizing on the street corner, and he knew that going into it. Rather than lamenting this sob story and constantly pointing out the evils, why not just admit - their country, not our business what religion they follow? Certainly, they are not the only ones.

And yet we strive for global human rights and that includes the freedom to practice your religion. Too bad Islam is so afraid of other religions that it won't give them a shot.

Let's see: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  Ok, I'll preach over there, and YOU can preach here. Even-steven.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: _JS on August 13, 2007, 02:43:13 PM
And yet we strive for global human rights and that includes the freedom to practice your religion. Too bad Islam is so afraid of other religions that it won't give them a shot.

Let's see: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  Ok, I'll preach over there, and YOU can preach here. Even-steven.

Saint Francis of Assisi once wisely commented to: "preach the Gospel always, and if necessary, use words."

Despite its growth, Islam is not inherently an evangelical religion. In other words, they do not actively proselytize as a general rule (similar to Judaism in that regard). I don't understand why you expect Saudi Arabia to accept missionaries.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Henny on August 13, 2007, 02:47:48 PM
it doesn't really matter who has killed more decades or centuries ago
what is relevant is today
and who today is killing in the name of their religion in far greater numbers?

And in this country a Muslim can preach on the street corner. Wanna guess what would happen if a Christian tried that in Saudi Arabia?

I see the Left has skirted answering my question here. Could it be because it is TRUE?

Maybe that's because you're repeating yourself, Professor, from a thread months ago.

Again, your friend had no business being in Saudi Arabia proselytizing on the street corner, and he knew that going into it. Rather than lamenting this sob story and constantly pointing out the evils, why not just admit - their country, not our business what religion they follow? Certainly, they are not the only ones.

And yet we strive for global human rights and that includes the freedom to practice your religion. Too bad Islam is so afraid of other religions that it won't give them a shot.

Let's see: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  Ok, I'll preach over there, and YOU can preach here. Even-steven.

First, I don't believe in going into other countries and breaking their laws to preach Christianity. I guess that's beside the point.

Mainly, I don't get your beef with Islam on this count.

Proselytizing in some non-Muslim countries is illegal as well. Cambodia and Laos (Buddhist), Bulgaria (Orthodox Christian), off the top of my head. For that matter, your described brand of conversion tactics - preaching on the street corner - is illegal even in Israel (although there is no law against changing religion - just being a nuisance and making people listen to your preaching is illegal).


Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: The_Professor on August 13, 2007, 02:52:48 PM
I geusss I am jsut preaching for an even playing field. Regardless of the nation involved, it seems childish to not allow dissenting voices in this arena. Are they so afraid that their adherents will be converted? As a Christian, I say let 'em come: Christianity is strong enough to stand on its own.

I also see this in the larger arena of global human rights, of which I wholeheartedly support. One of the very few positives of Jimmy Carter's Administration, for example, was his stance on human rights. I would go even further by stating that if nations do not adhere to basic human rights, perhaps the world community needs to cut them off or penalize them in some way. Or, as Plane might say "What impact would this have or not"?
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Henny on August 13, 2007, 03:06:16 PM
I geusss I am jsut preaching for an even playing field. Regardless of the nation involved, it seems childish to not allow dissenting voices in this arena. Are they so afraid that their adherents will be converted? As a Christian, I say let 'em come: Christianity is strong enough to stand on its own.

I also see this in the larger arena of global human rights, of which I wholeheartedly support. One of the very few positives of Jimmy Carter's Administration, for example, was his stance on human rights. I would go even further by stating that if nations do not adhere to basic human rights, perhaps the world community needs to cut them off or penalize them in some way. Or, as Plane might say "What impact would this have or not"?

I can understand wanting an even playing field - but it's a whole 'nother discussion and reaches far beyond Islamic countries.

As for Jimmy Carter, certainly the statement that he was "a great man, but a terrible president" has been repeated often enough. But even in Carter's term with his focus on human rights, he still put that aside to make decisions and alliances that flew in the face of what he stated publicly. I think all presidents have and although I'm the first one to complain about it and point out the double-talk, it's all part of the game of global politics.
Title: Re: Muslims Silence Critics
Post by: Richpo64 on August 14, 2007, 04:18:24 PM
>>LOL.  Sure, Rich.  Whatever you say.  And while we're at it, why not make it an even billion?<<

Sure!

Right up there with 600,000 dead Iraqis. , huh?

Read a book. Then get back to me.