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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Lanya on October 21, 2006, 12:25:35 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo
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Interesting, Lanya.
It is unfortunate that Micahel J. Fox is not doing so well (he moves back and forth quite alot in the ad).
I am not a scientift in the stem cell arena, but hasn't there been a lot of movement in this arena so you can use adult stem cells now and so mostly avoid the issue of fetal stem cells? If os, let's go full speed ahead!
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Use both. Lives depend on it. Many embryos are thrown away, not used to help anyone.
Of course, I know there are people who believe that no organ donation is scripturally approved. Them bones have to all rise up at the same locale I guess, in order to go to Heaven? I'm not sure of the rationale.
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I have never been sure of the rationale either. If God is a miraculous God, then bones or dust,,,doesn't matter, right?
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The easiest way to ensure your attempts at persuasion fail is to insult the very people you are trying to persuade.
Billmon alluded to this in a different thread, yet the universality of his dilemna applies to so much more than just Iraq.
Seems to me the better strategy is to find out what the opposition can live with instead of mocking what you percieve they can't live without.
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Many embryos are thrown away, not used to help anyone.
Why should they be created and thrown away?
Why should they be created and considered spare parts?
This is a bad thing either way.
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The easiest way to ensure your attempts at persuasion fail is to insult the very people you are trying to persuade.
Billmon alluded to this in a different thread, yet the universality of his dilemna applies to so much more than just Iraq.
Seems to me the better strategy is to find out what the opposition can live with instead of mocking what you percieve they can't live without.
I did not intend to mock that belief. It's a deadly serious belief; I remember in childhood there were bones found when tearing up the floor of the Catholic church and families were gathering the bones in shoe boxes, trying like crazy to keep them all together (it's where their great-greats had been buried, if I remember right). Very worried and upset families.
I was told by Catholic friends that if you didn't have all your body, you would not rise when God called you. And I wondered what happened to people who got burned, eaten by wild animals, etc.
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Very worried and upset families. I was told by Catholic friends that if you didn't have all your body, you would not rise when God called you.
Been quite a while since i was a practicing Catholic , but i don't seem to recall there being a whole lot of emphasis on the second coming and the rejoining of souls and bodies. Perhaps someone more current on practices of the Catholic Church can correct me, if needed.
Be that as it may , it seems to me an atheist or even an agnostic might get just as upset over grave desecration and other disturbances of resting places. I know Native Americans are vocal when their burial mounds are encroached by suburban development.
Perhaps it's a respect thing.
And perhaps respect for traditions other than your own is a concept from a bygone era.
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Lanya is in fact correct. Up until relatively recently, it was Catholic dogma that the physical presence was something that carried over into heaven. This is why, for example, cremation was frowned upon.
I will say that these rules have been relaxed somewhat- a cremation urn now can be interned at a Catholic cemetary.
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What is the Scriptural rationale for this "dogma"?
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BT,
I have already said I did not intend to mock that belief.
My use of the "Them bones" refrain is because I like that spiritual. And Stray Pooch was supposed to get back to me with the words, which I've forgotten since church camp 43 years ago....
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My use of the "Them bones" refrain is because I like that spiritual. And Stray Pooch was supposed to get back to me with the words, which I've forgotten since church camp 43 years ago....
The new paradigm says it matters not the intent of the speaker it matters more the affect on the listener.
Do you agree with this paradigm?
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The new paradigm? Was this put up for a vote and I missed it?
I'll go with Disagree. Perhaps some people are more sensitive than others. Is that my responsibility?
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I'll go with Disagree. Perhaps some people are more sensitive than others. Is that my responsibility?
Ronald Reagan is thought to have opened his campaign in Philadelphia, MS. He talks of devolving central government.
Because of the locale and the topic he is accused of being a racist and in fact the entire GOP party is labelled the same.
Were people too sensitive?
Steny Hoyer calls a black man "Slavish". Should he apologize?
Another used the term niggardly in the company of African Americans. Were they too sensitive?
Robert Byrd describes a group of urban hip hop wannabees as white niggers. Was the offense taken, out of line?
You say Barak is not ready for prime time. You fear he may be republican or repub-lite. Should he be offended?Should Repubs or repub leaning folks be offended? or should everyone just get over it.
And what will that do for the sensitivity training industry?
What next, no grief counselling?
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Rush Limbaugh (most. despicable. human.)
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/23/rush-limbaugh-attacks-michael-j-fox-he-was-either-off-the-medication-or-he-was-acting-he-is-an-actor-after-all/
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Brass, this does seem to go over the line of respectability, I must say. To deliberately poke fun at M J Fxo who ahs Parkinson's is, well, totally inappropriate.
Rush is reported to have said: ""I stated when I saw the ad, I was commenting to you about it, that he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all."
Wow.
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The odd thing for me personally is that I've been watching the whole series run of SCRUBS on DVD lately and it is done by a guy who also did SPIN CITY which you may remember Fox was on.
MJ Fox did a re-curring role on there for a while and it's plain, in most of the wide shots of him walking and standing, that he is having trouble or something just isn't right. A lot of times when he's walking, he reminds me of the Scarecrow in the WIZARD OF OZ. It would make me sad a little but also its kind of inspiring to see him out there, just doing the work.
It's a good character he does too. He's a surgeon that has OCD and has a preternatural ability to help anyone over any kind of hump their having professionally. Really good work. And I hated that show he was on in the '80's. What was it? Family Ties?
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He's has a recurring guest spot on Boston Legal as well. Plays a rich guy who's dying.
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We tried really hard to stay in with BOSTON LEGAL but it just wasn't fun when Spader was the straight man, so to speak. I really enjoyed his character on THE PRACTICE.
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William Shatner is GREAT as a scumbag on that show....lol
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"Boston Legal" may be Kelly's best work.
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William Shatner is GREAT as a scumbag on that show....lol
He's not a scumbag... Mad Cow Disease, dontcha know...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/hells/nelle/clever6613.gif)
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lol...good one, Ami.
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Brass, this does seem to go over the line of respectability, I must say. To deliberately poke fun at M J Fxo who ahs Parkinson's is, well, totally inappropriate.
Rush is reported to have said: ""I stated when I saw the ad, I was commenting to you about it, that he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all."
Wow.
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I read that the meds he takes for Parkinson's can contribute to the movements. Don't know if this is true or not. I had an uncle who had this. It took hours to feed him.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H3tGxQxjYw&eurl=
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I can`t get streaming vid at my work system
if his movement is more severe than it was on bostan legal than be might be playing it up
since he left spin city his condition got worst to the point it really can`t be completely hidden with medicine.
he`ll alway be abit jittery.
note he`s alway playing some character with some condition to explain his off manner.
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Brass, this does seem to go over the line of respectability, I must say. To deliberately poke fun at M J Fxo who ahs Parkinson's is, well, totally inappropriate.
Rush is reported to have said: ""I stated when I saw the ad, I was commenting to you about it, that he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all."
Wow.
Actually - Rush is as smart as you guys get I am afraid:
cRush Limbaugh Fakes Stupidity
You may think he's dumb as a chair, but it's all an act.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Wednesday, Oct. 25, 2006, at 6:29 PM ET
Many people have concluded, from Rush Limbaugh's recent disparaging comments about Michael J. Fox and Parkinson's disease, that Limbaugh must be an utter fool. But of course that's exactly what Rush wants you to think. Does the man's capacity for manipulation know no bounds?
Limbaugh's tirade was in response to a TV ad Fox appeared in for Claire McCaskill, Missouri's Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate. (To view the spot, click here.) Fox also appeared in a similar ad for Sen. Ben Cardin, D.-Md. (To view that spot, click here.) Here is what Limbaugh said:
Now, this is Michael J. Fox. He's got Parkinson's disease. And in this commercial, he is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He is moving all around and shaking. And it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has. I know he's got it and he's raising money for it, but when I've seen him in public, I've never seen him betray any of the symptoms. But this commercial, he—he's just all over the place. He can barely control himself. He can control himself enough to stay in the frame of the picture, and he can control himself enough to keep his eyes right on the lens, the teleprompter. But his head and shoulders are moving all over the place, and he is acting like his disease is deteriorating because Jim Talent opposes research that would help him, Michael J. Fox, get cured. [To listen to the audio clip, click here.]
Limbaugh later retreated to the position that Fox didn't fake the symptoms, but rather that he refrained deliberately from taking his medication, something Fox apparently did seven years ago to demonstrate the effects of the disease while testifying before Congress. It's certainly possible that Fox once again skipped or delayed taking his meds to achieve the same goal (though Fox's public response to Limbaugh suggests not; during a public appearance for yet another political candidate, Fox appeared steadier and said, "My pills are working really well right now"). The obvious retort to Limbaugh is: So what? Whether Fox takes his meds or doesn't take his meds is nobody's business but Fox's, and there would be nothing counterfeit about Fox filming an ad unmedicated. He's been known to twitch, OK?
Limbaugh's continued refusal to drop the matter as more commentators become aware of his stunningly boorish remarks has inevitably led some of these commentators to conclude that Limbaugh is mentally defective. Who but an absolute moron would attack a Parkinson's sufferer for displaying impaired muscle function?
It's a classic trap, right out of the right-wing playbook.
Ever since the resignation of Richard Nixon, a very smart man who got caught abusing his executive power, the GOP has deliberately avoided nominating conspicuously intelligent people for president. Gerald Ford was smarter than he looked, but he was unable to dispel his buffoonish image. Ronald Reagan was famously checked out and ill-informed. George H.W. Bush, though clearly smarter than Dubya, is not exactly imposing in the brains department, and he's demonstrated almost as much difficulty as his son in formulating a coherent sentence. And George W. Bush? Let's just say the guy is either mentally lazy, not very bright, or some combination of these two. I've never felt it necessary to refine that diagnosis; the term I favor is "functionally dumb."
Two things must be said about my assertions in the previous paragraph. One is that they are all unmistakably true. The other is that whenever a liberal repeats any one of them out loud, that liberal—and contemporary liberalism generally—come under attack, along with the Democratic party, the New York Times, Harvard, the AFL-CIO, the Council on Foreign Relations, the three major TV networks, and the Sierra Club. If a liberal is deciding whom to hire to answer phones and return papers neatly to a metal filing cabinet, it's considered legitimate for that liberal to formulate a judgment as to the candidates' intelligence. If a liberal is deciding whom to vote for in a presidential election, it is not. Merely to raise the issue is seen as conclusive evidence that one is snobbish and effete, and that the subject of one's skeptical inquiry is an authentic man of the people.
Nobody knows this better than Rush Limbaugh, who has said so many idiotic things on his radio show over the years that Al Franken, a famous liberal comedian/talk-radio host, walked right into the trap by penning a book titled Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot. Which of course made Limbaugh an even bigger hero to the dittohead faithful.
I'm not saying Limbaugh isn't a little bit stupid. I'll give him that. But give me a break. On the subject of Fox's Parkinson's, he's just all over the place making one asinine comment after another! He can barely control himself! But you'll notice Rush can still cut to a commercial when his engineer tells him to. I'm telling you: Limbaugh's moronic blowhard routine is purely an act. Limbaugh is exaggerating his stupidity to advance political ends, and I find that despicable.
You think Rush Limbaugh is dumb enough to lay into a person for exhibiting symptoms of a debilitating disease? Come on. Nobody's that dumb. You think Rush doesn't know that over time the medications that a person takes for Parkinson's can reduce motor control rather than increase it? Oh, please. You just have to read the papers to know that when he sets his mind to it, Limbaugh can navigate his way around the PDR very adeptly, thank you very much.
Take it from me. Rush Limbaugh wants you to think he's a dumbass, a pea-brain, an absolute yutz. It's a con job. Don't fall for it.
Timothy Noah is a senior writer at Slate.
Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2152195/
Copyright 2006 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive Co. LLC
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Limbaugh is not stupid. He is a callous, expoitative, lying sack of sheist, but he is a clever callous, expoitative, lying sack of sheist.
He says outrageous nonsense like this because it invigorates the dittoheads, who require ever greater idiocies to ditto in their pointy widdle heads, and at the same time, it reminds others to tune in and up the ratings. He thrives on ratings, which increase the ad revenues he can charge.
Coulter does the same crap to sell her venemous books.
Rush Limbaugh: a disgrace to Missourians for five decades and counting.
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finallt saw the vid
it`s not that much more severe
it`s just more noticable.
I think he really cut his meds it would be way more severe.
maybe he scaled it back alittle.
the problem is no matter what he`s not faking his movement