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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on October 03, 2008, 06:30:10 PM
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Send by a friend of a friend of mine.
How Racism Works...
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law
Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his
graduating class?
What if=2
0Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I
do' to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she
no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to
pain killers, but acquired them illegally throu gh her charitable
organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the
election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative
qualities in another when there is a color difference.
You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care,
a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises,
bank foreclosures, etc. consider...
Educational Background:
Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization
in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire ?
My addition:
What if Obama's daughter were pregnant and out of wedlock?
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What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law
Review?
Instead of a top gun? Well that would be an enormous step downwards perhaps enough to remove him from the running. "Top Gun" cast Tom Cruse , who will be cast in the remake of "Godbye Mr Chips"?What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his
graduating class?
At Annapolis? I think just like McCain ,he would never stop bragging about how he just barely became a ring knocker.
Hillary Clinton had it right , being black is Barack Obamas chief advantage , he would be no more popular than Dennis Kusinisch if he were not.
If being Black is such a disadvantage why isn't Hillary Clinton the nominee?
Or BHO's brother from another mother Dennis Kuchinich?
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Repuds sure to like their downhome dumbfucks dont they?
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How "The Crutch" works:
A white gets pulled over for speeding and a non-friendly cop writes him a ticket.
A black guy gets pulled over for speeding and a non-friendly cop writes him a ticket.
The black guy thinks "he pulled me over because I am black" and "he gave me a ticket because I'm black".
One of the guys has a "crutch". He blames racism for a bad result not his own actions.
"The Crutch" is devastating to an entire culture because it allows a pervasive attitude of "failure is never my own fault".
Poor results are so easily dismissed as "someone else's fault".
"If I lose an election, well it's because of racism".
It's always "whiteys fault".
It is a very sad fact of life and until it changes nothing much will change.
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How "The Crutch" works:
A white gets pulled over for speeding and a non-friendly cop writes him a ticket.
A black guy gets pulled over for speeding and a non-friendly cop writes him a ticket.
The black guy thinks "he pulled me over because I am black" and "he gave me a ticket because I'm black".
One of the guys has a "crutch". He blames racism for a bad result not his own actions.
"The Crutch" is devastating to an entire culture because it allows a pervasive attitude of "failure is never my own fault".
Poor results are so easily dismissed as "someone else's fault".
"If I lose an election, well it's because of racism".
It's always "whiteys fault".
It is a very sad fact of life and until it changes nothing much will change.
Thanks for proving your racism to us. You really neednt have bothered.
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What if Obama's daughter were pregnant and out of wedlock?
She would be following her grandmothers tradition.
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The black guy thinks "he pulled me over because I am black" and "he gave me a ticket because I'm black".
uhm
it is because he`s black
I have many cop friends and the truth is skin color does play a factor.
and it is taken advantage of in the drug trade.
the most prefered drug mule is white college girls.because no cop will ever search her car.
but people tend to think it`s impossible pay these girls to do this.
obviously they never saw girls gone wild and most of those girl did it for free.
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What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law
Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his
graduating class?
What if=2
0Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I
do' to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she
no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to
pain killers, but acquired them illegally throu gh her charitable
organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
I think that if these hypotheticals were true, Republicans would be going on about how stupid Obama is and how smart McCain is, how crooked Obama is and how sterling McCain is, how McCain is a persona of marital fidelity and Obama is a moral low-life, and how Obama's wife is a junkie thief and McCain's wife is of unparalled virtue.
I don't see it being any different if it were to be reversed than what it currently is. I certainly don't see race playing into these hypotheticals.
If you want to see why the race is so close, look at the polarization of the American people (how many vote a straight vs. mixed ticket), the demagoguery from both sides of the political aisle, and the dwindling number of moderates in the middle.
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"uhm....it is because he`s black"
so only whites are justly pulled over and ticketed for speeding??? and if a
black is driving over the speed limit and he is pulled over it is because of skin color?
thats why i love to see black policeman, black jailors, black mayors, black judges, ect...
because when they hammer failure "the crutch" can not be used and the failures gotta look in the mirror!
no one denies racism exists, but racism is not the reason for all failures
failure happens in life....people dont get the jobs they want.....people get speeding tickets....
failures happen to all races....but one race....has a crutch to blame others for failure
african americans tend to blame almost all of their failures on racism
until they rid themselves of the "crutch" and "welfare pimps" they will continue to suffer
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"Thanks for proving your racism to us. You really neednt have bothered"
and thank you for proving your racism to me, but I already knew you were a racist as are most liberals
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What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
Instead of a top gun?
Did he go to Top Gun school? What was his rank there?
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so only whites are justly pulled over and ticketed for speeding??? and if a
black is driving over the speed limit and he is pulled over it is because of skin color?
I did not say that .
but at least you acknowledge racism does exist
but stating it`s a crutch solves nothing
it doesn`t address a person of color(not just black) has a higher chance of being pulled over.
by stating the crutch excuse it leaves white suspects to be let go
stop letting criminals go free
people who commit crimes should go to jail
don`t use the crutch excuse and let white criminial get a free pass.
I don`t recall a deficit of black criminials in prison.
if racism is a crutch it`s not exactly working.
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It is a very sad fact of life and until it changes nothing much will change.
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THat's right. Racism is all the fault of Black people. If everyone were White like Jesus and his Dad, then there would be no racism, would there?
They just make you dislike them because in your mind, they think you're a racist, but in your mind, you aren't.
But wait! THAT means that racism is.....where?
In your mind, perhaps?
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Instead of a top gun? Well that would be an enormous step downwards perhaps enough to remove him from the running. "Top Gun" cast Tom Cruse , who will be cast in the remake of "Godbye Mr Chips"?
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Why yes, that's right, this was not about electing a president at all...
It's about making a movie!
And "Top Gun" is such a better picture than "Goodbye Mr Chips".
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She would be following her grandmothers tradition.
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Of course! ALL Black grandmothers had illegitimate children. If not, their grandmother's did.
Marriages in Africa were never sanctified by a White guy like Jesus, so they didn't count. Everyone knows that.
Of course,if you go back far enough, everyone is descended from a bastard or two.
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until they rid themselves of the "crutch" and "welfare pimps" they will continue to suffer
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And you will be the Master of the Dungeon of Suffering.
"welfare pimps" That is an interesting word. That means people who get government money, even though their difficulties are their own damn fault. Then they beg the government to bail their useless asses out.
No...wait...that is what we call "Wall Street Bailout Corporations". $700 billion would pretty much be the sum total of all welfare paid to Black people since they invented welfare, and then some.
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Of course! ALL Black grandmothers had illegitimate children. If not, their grandmother's did.
Are you denying that Obama's mother was pregnant before she got married?
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Are you denying that Obama's mother was pregnant before she got married?
Why should I not assume that this is a lie? Even more, why should I...or anyone...give a shit?
What difference does anyone's wife's grandmother make to an election, anyway?
Are you saying that Obama's wife's grandmother being pregnant should make a difference in anyone evaluating his credentials to be president? Because if that is the case, this is a totally bogus argument.
If this is so, then we have to ask, How many oats did Admiral McCain sow in the gedonks of Norfolk and Quezon City?
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Thanks for proving your racism to us. You really neednt have bothered"
and thank you for proving your racism to me, but I already knew you were a racist as are most liberals
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So now we know that you are a racist as well as a hater of "liberals", against whom you are as prejudiced as you are against Blacks.
You assume that ALL Black people use race as a "crutch". Then you use that hypothetical "crutch" a mark of dishonor.
The word 'prejudice' means to pre judge, in other words, to look at someone and assume that they are like a stereotype of that sort of person that exists in your mind. You assume that all Black people (except Clarence Thomas whom you have decided to pretend to worship) are carrying around their 'crutches', and every one of them will say that they were pulled over for speeding because they are Black. YOu would like to believe that twice the percentage of Black people being pulled over for speeding means that Black people speed twice as much.
You would like to believe that anyone who does not worship that doddering old fool that was Ronald Reagan is a "liberal", and therefore they are also more likely to be a racist.You, of course, are not a racist, because figuratively,you have this picture of Clarence Thomas on an altar in a place of adoration with several candles in front of it. Why Clarence is almost as wonderful a person as Reagan, were he ever in blackface.
So you are not only prejudiced against Blacks who aren't Clarence Thomas or possibly some other form of crypto-Fascist, but also people who you think are "Liberals".
Its' easy to see what you are. We don't really need to check all your bedsheets for telltale eyeholes.
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Why should I not assume that this is a lie? Even more, why should I...or anyone...give a shit?
Because then you'd be saying that Obama is lying to you. It was in his book. And the same people that should give a shit are the ones claiming that Palin isn't qualified because she has a daughter that is pregnant out of wedlock.
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"Are you denying that Obama's mother was pregnant before she got married?"
I was unaware that Barack Hussein Obama is a bastard.
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When it's all laid out the way XO's friend laid it out, I don't see how any intelligent, rational human being with even a half-open mind could deny the obvious fact that it is nothing but racism which keeps McCain and Palin in the race. In any truly colour-blind society, these two clowns could never even HOPE to beat Obama and Biden.
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The black guy thinks "he pulled me over because I am black" and "he gave me a ticket because I'm black".
uhm
it is because he`s black
I have many cop friends and the truth is skin color does play a factor.
and it is taken advantage of in the drug trade.
the most prefered drug mule is white college girls.because no cop will ever search her car.
but people tend to think it`s impossible pay these girls to do this.
obviously they never saw girls gone wild and most of those girl did it for free.
I know just one person who has never gotten a speeding ticket.
She thinks that her driveing style has a lot to do with it.
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What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
Instead of a top gun?
Did he go to Top Gun school? What was his rank there?
Ach!
You have caught me exaggerating.
I should have known that someone would have known that the Top Gun School was not being held during the time that McCain was training .
My only excuse is that I wanted to exploit the movie connection , to make the point that the public pays to see fighter pilots .
As a corollary lots of the public pays to see lawyers. But the experience is less enjoyable.
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When it's all laid out the way XO's friend laid it out, I don't see how any intelligent, rational human being with even a half-open mind could deny the obvious fact that it is nothing but racism which keeps McCain and Palin in the race. In any truly colour-blind society, these two clowns could never even HOPE to beat Obama and Biden.
Man that is sooo...
deep.
So Ferraro's observation on the advantage of BHO's color was not as astute as it sounded to me?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4428719
"John, between me and you and your millions of listeners, if Barack Obama were a white man, would we be talking about this as a potential real problem for Hillary Clinton? … If he were a woman of any color, would he be in this position that he's in? Absolutely not,"
"Geraldine, are you playing the race card?" the host asked.
"No, and that's the problem. Every time you say the truth — I'm the first person, John, and you know how honest I am — I am the first person who will say in 1984, if my name were Gerard instead of Geraldine, I would never have been picked as the vice presidential candidate."
If BHO were shorter , older , paler and named Dennis Kusenich , none of us would be thinking of him every day.
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Are you saying that Obama's wife's grandmother being pregnant should make a difference in anyone evaluating his credentials to be president? Because if that is the case, this is a totally bogus argument.
You really do have problems reading for content. Obama's wife wasn't brought up in my post.
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<<My only excuse is that I wanted to exploit the movie connection , to make the point that the public pays to see fighter pilots .>>
They pay a lot more to see disaster movies. Draw your own conclusions.
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<<My only excuse is that I wanted to exploit the movie connection , to make the point that the public pays to see fighter pilots .>>
They pay a lot more to see disaster movies. Draw your own conclusions.
You know of a movie that starrs the valedictorian as the hero?
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<<You know of a movie that starrs the valedictorian as the hero?>>
Not offhand, but what's the difference? The draw in a disaster movie isn't the hero, it's the disaster.
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Because then you'd be saying that Obama is lying to you. It was in his book. And the same people that should give a shit are the ones claiming that Palin isn't qualified because she has a daughter that is pregnant out of wedlock.
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I have a feeling that Palin could have done more to prevent her daughter from becoming pregnant than Obama could have prevented his mother from getting pregnant.
By the way, one is NOT a bastard of one's parents are married at the moment of birth. The moment of conception would be idea, but the moment of birth will also do jus fine, according to the Church.
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I have a feeling that Palin could have done more to prevent her daughter from becoming pregnant than Obama could have prevented his mother from getting pregnant.
And Obama's grandparents, those bad parents who raised him, probably could have done a better job with their daughter, if your logic is to be consistent.
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Observe how while Palin actually might have some power over her daughter, Obama had none over his grandparents.
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Observe that absent a chastity belt or proximity to a nunnery no one has any power over anyone else. They may have influence but they don't have power.
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<<Observe that absent a chastity belt or proximity to a nunnery no one has any power over anyone else. They may have influence but they don't have power.>>
IMHO, any parent who cares enough has it in herself or himself to be a good influence on his or her child. To guide them, to form their character. In keeping with the conservative mentality of totally denying all responsibility for anything that goes wrong on their watch (ideally blaming it on Bill Clinton) we see the phenomenon played out once again in the face of the most obvious evidence of parental failure. The failure in this case is probably attributable either to Palin's lack of interest and attention to the problem ("too busy") or a complete lack of moral authority due to the inability to provide a good moral example to the kid. I think it's relatively easy for someone to present a virtuous face to the outside world, very difficult to fool your own intimate family.
Children are molded and it is their parents who must take the initiative and do the molding, otherwise it will be left to others, peers and/or TV. A parent can't mold anyone if she herself is not respected due to her own moral failings, which often only the intimate family really knows. Similarly, a parent who does not invest the time and effort required to mold a child cannnot do it on the fly.
Palin is thus either lazy or inattentive to her parental duties or morally unfit to offer guidance to her own child, let alone the U.S.A. In either case this does not bode well for the U.S.A. if she should, against all odds, win in November with McCain.
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So if we take your theory as fact, do you think Obama is damaged goods because not only was he birthed by an irresponsible teen mother but was then raised by her parents who obviously were too busy to impart the proper life skills to avoid an unwed pregnancy in the first place.
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So if we take your theory as fact, do you think Obama is damaged goods because not only was he birthed by an irresponsible teen mother but was then raised by her parents who obviously were too busy to impart the proper life skills to avoid an unwed pregnancy in the first place.
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You are simply deliberately missing the point, and it would be futile to explain why and in which ways this is all wrong, because you already know.
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<<So if we take your theory as fact, do you think Obama is damaged goods because not only was he birthed by an irresponsible teen mother but was then raised by her parents who obviously were too busy to impart the proper life skills to avoid an unwed pregnancy in the first place.>>
I really was not following the saga of Obama's maternal lineage with any great attention thus far, but I assume from your question that Obama was born out of wedlock when his mum was a teenager, and was raised by her parents. Accordingly:
You're obviously more than a little confused. It would be consistent with my theory, in the absence of any special circumstances, to conclude that Obama's grandma was probably unfit as a mother. Last time I checked, though, I don't believe Obama's grandma was running for President. I would think Obama's mum has shown poor judgment and poor impulse control and lack of will-power and self-respect, and would not be a good candidate for President of the United States either. Again, last time I checked, Obama's mum was not running for President, either. The theories we are debating actually say little if anything about Obama. They do, however, seem to say a lot about Sarah Palin, all of it, unfortunately, uniformly negative.
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So the parents influence the daughter , does it not follow that the son is influenced by the mother who in turn was influenced negatively by her parents.
I don't think it matters if one is running for president or not. They are either damaged goods or they aren't . so which is it?
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Because then you'd be saying that Obama is lying to you. It was in his book. And the same people that should give a shit are the ones claiming that Palin isn't qualified because she has a daughter that is pregnant out of wedlock.
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I have a feeling that Palin could have done more to prevent her daughter from becoming pregnant than Obama could have prevented his mother from getting pregnant.
By the way, one is NOT a bastard of one's parents are married at the moment of birth. The moment of conception would be idea, but the moment of birth will also do jus fine, according to the Church.
I beleive that the thesis was that BHO being black could not get away with any taint of scandal as a white canadate might.
The reality being that BHO is tightly tied to a real estate scandal and an upbringing that is nonstandard has not hurt him much , it is a sort of teflon.
Even his association with Bill Ayers has been of small consequence , do you think that a white canadate could survive that association?
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What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
I hate charisma , it is shineola...
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<<So the parents influence the daughter , does it not follow that the son is influenced by the mother who in turn was influenced negatively by her parents.>>
I think, with all due respect, that you are stretching the chain of causation to the breaking point. If you are trying to argue that Obama, as the son of an unwed teenage mother, must be damaged goods, I don't even want to get into it. Really, BT, it's just too stupid to bother with. Try to keep in mind that the issue I raised was the unfitness of Palin, the mother, not to what extent any such undesirable qualities could be passed on to the children of the unfit parent.
<<I don't think it matters if one is running for president or not. >>
Of course it matters. Palin might well possess the qualities of an excellent 7-11 store clerk, notwithstanding her failure as a parent, but certainly would not be fit to be President of the U.S.A. if she can't even master a task which millions of women in all walks of life manage quite well, without the egregious failures that have plagued Palin.
<<They are either damaged goods or they aren't . so which is it?>>
What is this, Silly Hour? Are you trying to argue that children born out of wedlock to teenagers are necessarily "damaged goods," whatever that means? Sorry, BT, I'm not even going to start. Can't think of a more ridiculous way to spend my time. If you want to waste yours, please be my guest, but I can think of a lot better things with which to occupy myself than that kind of silliness. Have fun with it, and be sure to let me know what your conclusions are.
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My conclusion is that if Palin is an unfit mother, her children suffer from that. Obama's mother was unfit as evidenced by her handing him over to her parents. And they were unfit because they neglected their child to the point that she felt it wise to become impregnated out of wedlock, surely Obama suffered from this also.
The question is how will it manifest itself.
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<<The question is how will it manifest itself. >>
The answer is, very minimally if at all. There are other influences besides the maternal that have shaped the character of a mature family man like Obama.
Palin's failure as a mother was most apparent at the point in her daughter's life when she was still a teenager. THAT was when she needed Palin's guidance, care and attention, and THAT was when Palin failed her miserably. That's a direct indictment of Palin - - she's a fuck-up where it counts the most. It's NOT an indictment of the daughter - - she makes a mistake at sixteen, it does not mean she will continue to make mistakes the rest of her life. Hopefully she will learn from her mistakes, grow and develop, allow other more beneficial and helpful influences into her life and turn out OK.
Obama may very well ahve been affected by a lack of parental guidance at age 16. Who the fuck knows? The point is, since those years when he stood most in need of parental guidance, he has grown, developed, learned, and now he's way past the time when parental guidance is such a crucial need in his life.
The point you consistently miss is that the parental failure is primarily an indictment of the parent, not of the child. Your "damaged goods" theory is highly speculative, unproven and frankly, just plain silly. There's no evidence of it. People learn and they grow. With the passage of time, parental influence can fade and a responsible individual can often find other, better sources of guidance.
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Your "damaged goods" theory is highly speculative, unproven and frankly, just plain silly. There's no evidence of it.
Sure there is . Children of alcoholics are susceptible to addiction. Children of abusive parents are often abusive themselves.
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My addition:
What if Obama's daughter were pregnant and out of wedlock?
<<They are either damaged goods or they aren't . so which is it?>>
What is this, Silly Hour? Are you trying to argue that children born out of wedlock to teenagers are necessarily "damaged goods," whatever that means? Sorry, BT, I'm not even going to start. Can't think of a more ridiculous way to spend my time. If you want to waste yours, please be my guest, but I can think of a lot better things with which to occupy myself than that kind of silliness. Have fun with it, and be sure to let me know what your conclusions are.
Thus the origional question is answered , if Obama's daughters were pregnant early it would be no worse than his being an early Pregnancy himself in the public eye , and the public seems to not be bothered , the public is therefore proven to not be packed with racists eager to find silly excuses to dislike a black man.
Obama has been in a financial scandal every bit as serious as Whitewater or Keating five and it isn't exciteing the racism that would be expected .
Expected by people prejudiced to explain everything in terms of racism .
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Obama has been in a financial scandal every bit as serious as Whitewater or Keating five and it isn't exciteing the racism that would be expected .
I do not see this as being as serious as the Keating five thing. There was actually something there to pursue.
Whitewater cost the taxpayers millions and all it revealed was that government thugs could lie to a young woman about how she would go to prison for a loooong time if she did not admit to a blow job. Followed by a useless impeachment trial and a ton of meaningless crap for Rush to rail on about.
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If one of Obama's daughters was PG, this would lead to mu8ltiple hoots and hollers about ghetto trash and the like, and everyone knows it.
I will not vote for Palin, but not based on her mothering skills, which I think are pretty much irrelevant. I dislike her ideology first and foremost, and I question her competency based on her ditziness.
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Her mothering skills are not her only disqualifying factor, but I would not discount them either.
She has fucked up on one of the most basic and important tasks that a woman has been given, and one that literally billions of other women are capable of carrying out reasonably well. Let's face it, as important as mothering is, it is not rocket science. If she fucks up on THAT, who knows what else she can fuck up on?
<<Children of alcoholics are susceptible to addiction. Children of abusive parents are often abusive themselves. >>
Nice try, BT. Unfortunately for your argument, however, there is no evidence that Obama's mother was either abusive or an alcoholic.
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Obama has been in a financial scandal every bit as serious as Whitewater or Keating five and it isn't exciteing the racism that would be expected .
I do not see this as being as serious as the Keating five thing. There was actually something there to pursue.
Whitewater cost the taxpayers millions and all it revealed was that government thugs could lie to a young woman about how she would go to prison for a loooong time if she did not admit to a blow job. Followed by a useless impeachment trial and a ton of meaningless crap for Rush to rail on about.
If you were to reverse each of these facts , they would be correct.
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In your limbaughed mind, yeah!
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If one of Obama's daughters was PG, this would lead to mu8ltiple hoots and hollers about ghetto trash and the like, and everyone knows it.
I will not vote for Palin, but not based on her mothering skills, which I think are pretty much irrelevant. I dislike her ideology first and foremost, and I question her competency based on her ditziness.
Nope , you are speculateing this with no reason , and the lack of hooting about his mother indicates exactly otherwise.
You are not discussing how reasonable people might react , you are supposeing something about unreasonable people that in your opinion exist and are eager to hoot.
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She is a demonstrable right winger. I despise right wingers.
She is a demonsrtrable ditz. The Couric interview is ample proof of that.
She supported GEORGE FUCKING JUNIORBUSH.
Three strkes, she's out.
Sen her back to the tundra, where a man is a man and the moose know it.
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She is a demonstrable right winger. I despise right wingers.
Admitted prejudice , I think that is at the root of the matter , and is a major component of how racism works.
Your Prejudice isn't race based , what woud be a term for a creed based prejudice?
There are already so many Isms I don't want to create one if there already is one.
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She is a demonstrable right winger. I despise right wingers.
Admitted prejudice , I think that is at the root of the matter , and is a major component of how racism works.
Your Prejudice isn't race based , what woud be a term for a creed based prejudice?
There are already so many Isms I don't want to create one if there already is one.
Wonderful that you think Rwerism is a creed. It is most of y'alls God. Along with taxcuts which is really all your creed id about.
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She is a demonstrable right winger. I despise right wingers.
Admitted prejudice , I think that is at the root of the matter , and is a major component of how racism works.
Your Prejudice isn't race based , what woud be a term for a creed based prejudice?
There are already so many Isms I don't want to create one if there already is one.
Wonderful that you think Rwerism is a creed. It is most of y'alls God. Along with taxcuts which is really all your creed id about.
I could be wrong about that , what do you think?
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I have elaborated what right wing looniness is to me, and why I see it as logical gto despise it and reject any clown that advocates it from leadership of my country.
See the separate post.
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Whitewater cost the taxpayers millions and all it revealed was that government thugs could lie to a young woman about how she would go to prison for a loooong time if she did not admit to a blow job. Followed by a useless impeachment trial and a ton of meaningless crap for Rush to rail on about.
Well, there were the people who went to jail over it - but I guess they don't count, because they weren't Republicans.
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Well, there were the people who went to jail over it - but I guess they don't count, because they weren't Republicans.
The purpose of Whitewater was to catch the Clintons, and there was insufficient evidence to do this. It was money wasted.
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The purpose of Whitewater was to catch the Clintons, and there was insufficient evidence to do this. It was money wasted.
The purpose of the Whitewater investigation was to identify and prosecute criminals. Since it did so, it was successful.
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Bullshit.
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The purpose of Whitewater was to catch the Clintons, and there was insufficient evidence to do this. It was money wasted.
The purpose of the Whitewater investigation was to identify and prosecute criminals. Since it did so, it was successful.
It got some of them.
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What were they convicted of, perjury based on their testimony?
It was a total waste of money.
Such a waste of money that both parties voted to get rid of the Special Prosecutor.
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What were they convicted of, perjury based on their testimony?
Convictions
Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, removed from office (fraud, 3 counts)
John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax fraud)
William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner (conspiracy)
Stephen Smith (Whitewater): former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple fraud) Bill Clinton pardoned.
David Hale: banker, self proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud) Bill Clinton pardoned.
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
Charles Matthews (Whitewater): Whitewater defendant (bribery)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_(controversy) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_(controversy))
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Whitewater has nothing whatever to do with racism. It was a waste of money and a witch hunt. But I repeat, this is a thread on racism, not Whitewater, which has already been beaten to death.
You might as well be wasting your time on Teapot Dome.
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Whitewater has nothing whatever to do with racism. It was a waste of money and a witch hunt. But I repeat, this is a thread on racism, not Whitewater, which has already been beaten to death.
You might as well be wasting your time on Teapot Dome.
The thesis is that because he is Black Obama could not get away with any flaws.
His flaws that he is getting away with serve to refute this.
Clinton got away with a lot , McCain can't get away with being exonerated even if by a comittee of opponents.
Obama is getting away with a flaw of each type mentioned in the origin of this thread with little difficulty because few are interested in the task of rakeing muck on him.
Sara Palin is now doing that job in a minor way , she has got to hammer on the idea untill it is accepted as true that Rezco bribed him and he has escaped Rezco's conviction by the skin of his teeth.