Yea, opposing contraception is like opposing leukemia coverage

[sirs]

    Good gravy.  You can always tell when the barrels are empty, when the responses get exponentially hyperbolic

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Pope has a right to his opinion. But a woman has a greater right to decide what to do with her own body than his "Holiness". She has the right to disagree with the Pope in conscience and should have the same right to disagree in action. If every other worker has the right to contraceptives from a medical plan, the woman should also have the same exact right.

Bestowing the ability to deny her the pills she wants on the Pope and the Holy Mother Church makes the Church and the Pope agents of the government, allowing their wishes to trump that of a citizen.
That sucks.

[sirs]

Good thing then, that's not what's happening.  (*whew*, we dodged a close one there)

[Xavier_Onassis]

That is precisely what he happening here.

If you can't see that, you are incapable of rational thought.

[BT]

Again no one is denying women the right to purchase contraceptives.

What is happening is the government is encroaching on the separation of church and state by mandating that said church purchase for others a product that goes against their beliefs.

This is not a hard topic to understand.

[sirs]

BINGO!!

[BSB]

What is happening is the Church is encroaching on the separation of church and state. They are telling employees, not of the Church itself, but of hospitals, charities, etc., they run, what their insurance is allowed to cover based on the Churches religious beliefs.  These are private sector workers working in jobs open to the general population to fill.


This isn't Saudi Arabia. We don't follow religious law in the United States. The Church can stick their believes where the sun don't shine. 

 

BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

What is happening is the government is encroaching on the separation of church and state by mandating that said church purchase for others a product that goes against their beliefs.

This is not a hard topic to understand.
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It is the Church that is doing the encroaching here: the employee wants contraceptives, and the Church refuses to provide them.

The constitution does not guarantee the rights if any church.

The Church has this belief because a foreigner who does not even live here and never even visits here tells oit to do this.

Why should my country allow the dictates of some foreign fool to trump those of an American citizen?

THAT is what hard to understand.

His effing Holiness does not run this country.

[sirs]

What is happening is the government is encroaching on the separation of church and state by mandating that said church purchase for others a product that goes against their beliefs.

This is not a hard topic to understand.
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It is the Church that is doing the encroaching here: the employee wants contraceptives, and the Church refuses to provide them.

The Church is not preventing ANYONE from getting them, if they want.  THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE HERE.  Also, they have no legal obligation to provide them, and the Constitution allows them the choice to NOT provide them, if they so wish

The constitution does not guarantee the rights if any church.

I'm not sure which constitution you keep referring to.  Ours, as in the U.S. specifically guarantees rights to ALL religions.  It makes it clear that the Government CAN NOT mandate any actions by a religions organization, Catholic Church included, that runs counter to their established doctrines....outside of Human Sacrifices perhaps

Why should my country allow the dictates of some foreign fool to trump those of an American citizen?...His effing Holiness does not run this country.

Because he doesn't.  The U.S. Constitution dictates how this country is run, not his "effing Holiness", nor hard core liberals who think they just know better

[Plane]

What is happening is the government is encroaching on the separation of church and state by mandating that said church purchase for others a product that goes against their beliefs.

This is not a hard topic to understand.
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It is the Church that is doing the encroaching here: the employee wants contraceptives, and the Church refuses to provide them.

The constitution does not guarantee the rights if any church.

The Church has this belief because a foreigner who does not even live here and never even visits here tells oit to do this.

Why should my country allow the dictates of some foreign fool to trump those of an American citizen?

THAT is what hard to understand.

His effing Holiness does not run this country.

Are there indeed female employees of the Chirch that are complaining?

I havent heard of this.

[BT]

It is the Church that is doing the encroaching here: the employee wants contraceptives, and the Church refuses to provide them.

Completely false. Purposely obtuse.  And completely bigoted to boot.

The church is not in the business of dispensing medicines. They cannot refuse to provide that which they don't provide.

[Xavier_Onassis]

As an employer, the Church is trying to REFUSE to provide women with what every other employer provides, based on the opinion of just one foreign guy who knows diddly about women.

[sirs]

As an employer, the Church is trying to REFUSE to provide women with what every other employer provides, based on the opinion of just one foreign guy who knows diddly about women.

LOL....the linguistic distortions you're trying to apply to that sentence alone would have many language arts teachers cringing. trying to refuse to provide??

a) they don't have to
b) the Constitution protects their right if they chose not to
c) And no not every other employer provides it, as per some mandate.  Those that do, chose to.

NO ONE IS DENYING THE WOMAN ANYTHING THAT SHE WANTS.  NOR WAS THE CONSTITUTION WRITTEN BY ANY EFFING POPE

Gads, the amount of straw that you and Bsb have been producing with this Pope nonsense, could blanket Kansas   

[BT]

The church does not provide the medications therefore they are not denying anyone said medications. Again, this is not rocket science.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Pope and his Church would LOVE to deny contraceptives to EVERYONE. They supported bans on contraceptives for decades and opposed rescinding laws against them. The Church opposes allowing the sale of condoms and other contraceptives in Ireland and Poland to this day.