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Plane

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« on: April 02, 2007, 03:08:39 PM »
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If the book were written so well, he might have made a fortune leagally.

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 05:10:35 PM »
If the book were written so well, he might have made a fortune leagally.


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To write the book, he had to live the life. Not everyone is so clever as to invent every stage of what would happen in a crime. You might think you would know what YOU would do, but how would others react?

If you got a large mortgage loan on a house, how would you manage to do this? How would others react before they found out? and after?
 
Lots of mortgages have insurance against fraud. A banker might prefer colloecting on the insurance that taking a huge hit and looking like a fool.

I agree he could probably have made a LIVING buying and selling property, but that is not the same as making a FORTUNE in such a short time.

Perhaps his artwork will come to be worth bazillions, that is if it is not painted over.

There probably is a perfect, non-violent, high yield crime. All you have to do is figure out how to pull it off.

I once taught in a prison. Most of the inmates felt they were caught because they did something highly stupid that caused them to get caught.
Most on the inmates at Dade Correctional were there because of something drug-related. They bought or sold, or were caught holding drugs.

Many seemed to be at least as ashamed of doing something dumb and getting caught than having committed the crime. Most believed that the criminal justice system was mostly set up so guards, police, DA's and judges would have a nice income and a cushy life style. At least that is what they told me. I taught an English Comp class, and that is how the topics came up.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 06:36:17 PM »
one of his problem is he`s living in reality

remember he loves con-artist movies
meaning he can`t help but try to learn from them
problem is their just movies
ex. casino royale
a man using drug money to short sell for profit
to many holes to be useable in real life
 
The real good con-artist are the ones nobody hears about.
they know they did wrong,but still do it
with that in mind they can handle any problem
thinking ones untouchable is not a good plan
I can`t tell you how many guys brag about having some cop in his pocket.
every single one of them is in prison now.


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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 01:14:39 AM »
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There probably is a perfect, non-violent, high yield crime.



Carefully define"crime".

I would agree that there might be such a thing that could legally done  , or breaking the law , gotten away with .


But I would say that involuntarily extracting a value from other people without retuning any sort of value is a crime with victims.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 03:48:56 AM »
I may sound niave here
I alway found these guys lack a conscious.
without guilt.
I used to hangout with alot of con artistes
these guys think in a very basic level
great friends only when it suits them
but if you get in their way
watchout
the problem with that kinda thinking is they tend to think everybody else is like that also
so they have quite alot of blindspot in the thought process
ex. xo students

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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 01:05:17 PM »
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"...the problem with that kinda thinking is they tend to think everybody else is like that also..."



 Very true , I think we have all had a chance to see this.

   

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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 06:58:45 PM »
There probably is a perfect, non-violent, high yield crime.



Carefully define"crime".

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I would define a crime as some illegal and lucrative act.

I didn't say there would be no victims.

I also didn't say that I had any plans to commit any crime, perfect or otherwise.
Still a perfect crime would seem the better choice to anyone contemplating a crime.

A perfect crime would be, from the perspective of the criminal, a crime with resulted in no arrest or other detrimental consequences.

Art theft seems to be a non-violent, very lucrative crime. Stealing a valuable, and not overly famous painting from some wealthy and insured person or institution would only result in an increase in insurance premiums for a very few people who could easily afford it. There are a lot more art thefts than are reported, and most seem to be only discovered long after the thief and the victim are deceased, when some heir of the person who purchased the art tries to sell it.

It would seem that the inability to look at a painting or sculpture for a period of time would not be a major inconvenience to the 'victim'.

A lot of museums have many paintings in storage, and it is possible that if a copy were substituted for one of them, it might take decades ever to be discovered.

Kurt Vonnegut said that the greatest fortunes in this country were made by people who discovered immoral crimes for which no laws had been passed against.

The Bush and Cheney families have made vast fortunes because of the Iraq war, and I doubt that any of them will ever spend a day behind bars, lamentably.

Of course, what they have done involves thousands of victims and a major reward for the perps.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2007, 07:05:07 PM »
Not so surprising, Xo (before Lanya could do it perhaps) managed to interject the evil Bush-Cheney cabal, in a story having nothing to do with politics, Bush, or Cheney        ::)
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2007, 07:14:16 PM »
Still, Juniorbush and Cheney are (1) evil, and (2) thieves.

And will probably get away with it, even though most people would never have a chance to make off with nearly so much money nor commit such evil deeds to do it.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2007, 07:16:45 PM »
Still, Juniorbush and Cheney are (1) evil, and (2) thieves.  And will probably get away with it, even though most people would never have a chance to make off with nearly so much money nor commit such evil deeds to do it.

And we thank you for that completely hyperbolic twisted opinion.  Long live the 1st amendment
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2007, 08:06:10 PM »
on art theft
everything in life has a catch
It`s the stealing that makes it hard
it the fencing of the stuff
we hear of the crazy a$$ richguy  who wants the pay anything for a museum painting.
but in real life they are few and very far in between-if they exist .
also the pay out is much less
if you get a $5 million dollar faberge
you`ll at best get maybe 20k if your real lucky.
remember it needs to be choppedup
it`s the whole thats valuable
pieces tend to be greatly less value
there is a reason we rarely hear of museum breakins
it just worth it to most
can you imagine the mona lisa being stolen the guy trying to sell it for a million.
nobody has the money and everybody will try to turn him in for the reward

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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2007, 11:24:52 PM »
The Mona Lisa was stolen , a long time ago .

The theif didn't make ny money himself , but there were a few copies sold to credulous colectors while the origioal was missing.

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2007, 03:08:48 PM »
I forgot about that.
I think oner of the dup ended uo here in s.f.

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2007, 04:21:02 PM »
Still, Juniorbush and Cheney are (1) evil, and (2) thieves.

And will probably get away with it, even though most people would never have a chance to make off with nearly so much money nor commit such evil deeds to do it.


Is there actually any reason to think that either Bush or Cheny have made money while in office?

Clinton went from debt to millionaire status while in office , but I can't see that Bush and Cheny , already wealthy , have made more as public servants than they would have in the sort of jobs availible to them outside of government.