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« on: December 17, 2008, 05:26:06 AM »
http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/16/news/madoff.hedges.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote
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"...those that went with Madoff chose faith over evidence. "You've got people who were disintermediated [i.e., didn't have a professional representative], or unsophisticated, or went in through a personal relationship. That's what a con man is -- a confidence man is somebody that engenders a relationship and then subsequently lures somebody into doing something that they shouldn't do." (According to the federal criminal complaint against him, Madoff has confessed that he ran a "giant Ponzi scheme." His lawyer, Ira Sorkin, declined to comment.)

No word yet on the possibility of arresting the whole Congress for a simular Con  known as Social Security.
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2008, 05:58:51 AM »
Bernard Madoff, the former chairman of Nasdaq, has been arrested and confessed to Federal officials that he ran a Ponzi scheme that defrauded investors of $50 billion.

The name of the Ponzi scheme: Nasdaq.

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2008, 08:35:02 AM »
Bernard Madoff another swine that made almost all his political donations to Democrats
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2008, 11:56:51 AM »
http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/16/news/madoff.hedges.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote
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"...those that went with Madoff chose faith over evidence. "You've got people who were disintermediated [i.e., didn't have a professional representative], or unsophisticated, or went in through a personal relationship. That's what a con man is -- a confidence man is somebody that engenders a relationship and then subsequently lures somebody into doing something that they shouldn't do." (According to the federal criminal complaint against him, Madoff has confessed that he ran a "giant Ponzi scheme." His lawyer, Ira Sorkin, declined to comment.)

No word yet on the possibility of arresting the whole Congress for a simular Con  known as Social Security.

Doubtful, unfortunately     >:(
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2008, 02:15:59 PM »
Ever notice how government wants YOU to sacrifice, but government NEVER does.

Something else I've noticed; government goes after big oil, big pharmaceutical, but never goes after big education. Oh sure, they lament the cost but never go after big education (college) to lower it's rates or share it's windfall profits. They actually complaining about the cost, and then offer to help pay the outrageous cost while never asking for reductions or drag the presidents of these universities in front of Senate hearings to berate them like they do other business people.
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 04:46:28 PM »
What college has "windfall profits"?

Please. You know nothing.
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 04:56:50 PM »
>>What college has "windfall profits"? Please. You know nothing.<<

Mr. Literal raises his ugly head.

He's like Mikey. He hates everything.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 05:12:35 PM »
Again. what college has "windfall profits"? Name one.

You know less than nothing. Your insults are not even entertaining.
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 05:28:48 PM »
"Again. what college has "windfall profits"? Name one"

Well I guess we can start here:
http://tulane.edu/news/releases/archive/2006/pr_120806.cfm

"A windfall gain (or windfall profit) is any type of income that is unexpected"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windfall_gain
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 05:31:51 PM »
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 05:37:59 PM »
Here is a 100 million wind fall profit for another university

http://dental.pacific.edu/x2049.xml
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 05:56:47 PM »
See, that's what I mean: you just do not understand higher education.

Both of these are NOT "windfall profits". They are donations, and are generally used to support the programs agreed upon by the university and the donors. A profit would be an instance where the tuition charged more than the cost of providing the programs offered. This almost never happens. Nearly all donations are restricted funds. If they spend the money on something other than (for example) the Lester B. Phreet School of Business and Economics or the Maude R. Hardyburger Library, the university will get sued. They usually have some way of sneaking a bit of the bequests into a part of the utility bills and such, but normally most of the money will be spent as agreed upon.

If the university has to share its donations and bequests with the student body, then the rich fatcats who donate will not donate at all. They can always find someone to put their names on prominent buildings and stuff. Often, they want a building or a program named after them. When they get old, they realize that the fortune they made in trash collection, real estate development, peddling cars, groceries, clothes or whatever does not leave them with a sense of triumphant accomplishment, so they make bequests, and they are very picky (as you would be) about how their money (they feel it was hard-earned money, even if it wasn't, just like everyone feels) is spent.

Where there is abuse in higher education, it tends to be in the salaries and perks offered to administrators or a very small, very select few professors, usually of the guest sort. Henry Kissinger taught one course at Harvard to fewer than 20 grad students and received more income than most other professors who taught up to ten times as many students with three or four courses to prepare for.

He was frequently absent as well.
His entire salary, however, did not involve wasting a dime of Harvard's money, as it was paid by the Rockefellers.
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Re: Madoff
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 05:59:19 PM »
>>You know less than nothing.<<

How can you know less than nothing Mr. Literal? Please, enlighten us all brainiac.

>>Your insults are not even entertaining.<<

Oh I don't know. I got Brass to laugh at your expense the other day.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 06:02:22 PM »
See what he means CU4.

He can justify and lie about anything.

Thanks by the way. Those of us putting children through college know the ridiculous prices.