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Should be big time media news.........but then again
« on: October 22, 2007, 10:15:08 PM »
...it doesn't fit the proper template of which ideology supports reform and which supports the status quo

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Louisiana elects a reform governor. What's next?

Monday, October 22, 2007


Bobby Jindal can't hold down a job: That's the joke circulating around Louisiana today about the election of Mr. Jindal, a son of immigrants from India, as governor. Mr. Jindal, a 36-year-old Republican congressman from the New Orleans suburbs, won 54% of the vote in Saturday's election, avoiding the need for a runoff next month.

When he takes office in January he will be the nation's youngest governor. But he has already held a glittering array of other positions of responsibility in his short career. As an undergraduate he worked as an intern for Rep. Jim McCrery, now the ranking Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee. Then he became a Rhodes Scholar, got a master's degree, and did a stint at McKinsey & Co. Gov. Mike Foster appointed him head of the state's $4 billion health-care system at age 24. He went on to serve as director of a national commission on Medicare at 26, became president of the University of Louisiana system at 27, and a U.S. assistant secretary of health and human services at 29.

Four years ago, at age 32 ,he narrowly lost a race for governor to Democrat Kathleen Blanco, who dismissed his calls for reform of the state's creaking bureaucracy as unnecessary. The next year Mr. Jindal won his congressional seat, but he never really stopped campaigning for governor. In August 2005 Hurricane Katrina roared through New Orleans, and Gov. Blanco's response was so inadequate that she was effectively forced to retire.

Mr. Jindal jumped into this year's campaign promising to shake up a state government whose antigrowth policies have prompted Forbes magazine to rank Louisiana 49th out of 50 states as a place to do business. Even before Katrina, it was the only Southern state with more people moving out than in. The "bright flight" of the state's most promising young people became the most important symbolic issue of the race.

Mr. Jindal applied the political lessons he learned from his 2003 loss. Back then, it was generally conceded that he lost some northern Louisiana parishes in part because he failed to campaign enough there to dispel lingering concerns about his ethnicity (he is Indian-American). This time he visited northern Louisiana 77 times, and it paid off. He carried Rapides Parish (Alexandria) with 54% of the vote, up from 44% four years ago.

One reason Mr. Jindal was able to win votes across ethnic and demographic lines is that while he treats his Indian background as an overall plus, he won't trade on it. He has in the past left the space for "race" on government documents blank. "I'm against all quotas, all set-asides," he says. "America is the greatest. We got ahead by hard work. We shouldn't respond to every problem with a government program. Here, anyone can succeed."

Mr. Jindal is full of ideas for how to improve government. He plans to use his health-care expertise to help the uninsured obtain health insurance. The way to do that, he says, is to work with the three-fourths of the uninsured who have jobs. He proposes insurance pools in which small businesses can join together to get lower-cost premiums and giving the private sector a greater role in provision of health care for the poor.

He plans tax cuts and an expansion of school choice. Part of his philosophy is that the federal government can't be Louisiana's salvation. "New Orleans has suffered from the trauma of three crises," he told The Wall Street Journal last year. "First was Katrina, second was the levees breaking, and the third has been a case study in bureaucracy and red tape at its very worst."

Bureaucracy busting is Mr. Jindal's specialty, and he has already announced he will call the Legislature into special session shortly after he is sworn in and demand an up-or-down vote on his anticorruption agenda, which has 31 points. "Ethics reform is the linchpin for change," he told supporters Saturday night.

But while he prepares to take office with high hopes and good wishes, there are some sobering obstacles that could impede his agenda. Louisiana ranks third in the nation in the number of elected officials per capita convicted of crimes. That means that some power brokers will have real incentives to preserve the status quo. In 2004, the agent in charge of the FBI's New Orleans office described Louisiana's public corruption as "epidemic, endemic and entrenched. No branch of government is exempt."

Political analysts in the state recall that Democrat Buddy Roemer (who later became a Republican) was elected as a reform governor in 1987. But he was quickly sidetracked and marginalized by the legislature. He was defeated for re-election in 1991 after Jack Kent, the owner of a company called Marine Shale, spent $500,000 of his own money to attack Mr. Roemer in response to the state government declaring his firm was a polluter.

Mr. Roemer's failure to alter the state's mores provides some guidance for Mr. Jindal. While he won outright election on Saturday, many races for the state legislature will be decided in runoffs next month. With legislative term limits kicking in for the first time this year, many of those runoffs will be in open districts where reform candidates will square off against those more are skeptical of change. If Mr. Jindal wants to be a successful governor, he would be wise not to rest on his laurels but instead to pour his time and energy into making sure a Legislature is elected that will pay more than lip service to his bold proposals.


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Re: Should be big time media news.........but then again
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2007, 11:10:26 PM »
What does Mr Jindal do to appeal to Lousiana's racists?

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Re: Should be big time media news.........but then again
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 11:12:57 PM »
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"I'm against all quotas, all set-asides," he says. "America is the greatest. We got ahead by hard work. We shouldn't respond to every problem with a government program. Here, anyone can succeed."


I keep saying that, but for some reason people keep telling me that will only lead to the ruination of the country. Something about it would let in too many immigrants...
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Re: Should be big time media news.........but then again
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 11:52:14 PM »
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"I'm against all quotas, all set-asides," he says. "America is the greatest. We got ahead by hard work. We shouldn't respond to every problem with a government program. Here, anyone can succeed."

I keep saying that, but for some reason people keep telling me that will only lead to the ruination of the country. Something about it would let in too many immigrants...

Funny, how I didn't see even 1 sentence that advocated an open border policy, by Governor-elect Jindal.  Perhaps Prince can highlight it for us
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Re: Should be big time media news.........but then again
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 12:02:27 AM »
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"I'm against all quotas, all set-asides," he says. "America is the greatest. We got ahead by hard work. We shouldn't respond to every problem with a government program. Here, anyone can succeed."


I keep saying that, but for some reason people keep telling me that will only lead to the ruination of the country. Something about it would let in too many immigrants...

One of the things that attracts immagrants is the government sponsored services.

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 03:06:32 AM »

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"I'm against all quotas, all set-asides," he says. "America is the greatest. We got ahead by hard work. We shouldn't respond to every problem with a government program. Here, anyone can succeed."

I keep saying that, but for some reason people keep telling me that will only lead to the ruination of the country. Something about it would let in too many immigrants...

Funny, how I didn't see even 1 sentence that advocated an open border policy, by Governor-elect Jindal.  Perhaps Prince can highlight it for us


I should have known the point would be way over your head.
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Re: Should be big time media news.........but then again
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 03:10:03 AM »

One of the things that attracts immagrants is the government sponsored services.


Yep. I've noticed that too. What do you think we ought to do about that?
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 03:30:34 AM »

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"I'm against all quotas, all set-asides," he says. "America is the greatest. We got ahead by hard work. We shouldn't respond to every problem with a government program. Here, anyone can succeed."

I keep saying that, but for some reason people keep telling me that will only lead to the ruination of the country. Something about it would let in too many immigrants...

Funny, how I didn't see even 1 sentence that advocated an open border policy, by Governor-elect Jindal.  Perhaps Prince can highlight it for us

I should have known the point would be way over your head.

Not at all, since I too support an ending to quotas, that we shouldn't respond to every problem with a Government program,, that America is the Greatest & that here anyone can succeed.  Yet somehow you took perfectly articulated conservative principles and attached it to the immigration debate with verbal duct tape, & some twisted conclusion in a ruination of this country.  How the hell do you pull from what Governor-elect Jindal said to how it would "let in too many immigrants"??  The point Jindal was making was crystal clear.  The point Prince was making was to try and take a sirs article he supports, and twist it into some hypocrisy of not supporting open borders
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 03:41:44 AM »

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I should have known the point would be way over your head.

Not at all,


Au contraire, you did not get it and the rest of your post proves it.


since I too support an ending to quotas, that we shouldn't respond to every problem with a Government program,, that America is the Greatest & that here anyone can succeed.  Yet somehow you took perfectly articulated conservative principles and attached it to the immigration debate with verbal duct tape, & some twisted conclusion in a ruination of this country.  How the hell do you pull from what Governor-elect Jindal said to how it would "let in too many immigrants"??  The point Jindal was making was crystal clear.  The point Prince was making was to try and take a sirs article he supports, and twist it into some hypocrisy of not supporting open borders


You're amusing sometimes. And if anyone else were questioning what I said, I might explain, but you've proven explaining anything to you is a waste of time. So I'll just let you continue making unintentionally ironic tirades for now.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 03:53:24 AM »
If this guy supports open borders, he isn't going to spread the word. No politician would, because a very large majority of Americans also do not support open borders. Mostly, guys with companies that require cheap, cheap labor who live in wealthy gated communities and a few nutballs support open borders.

If the US announced it had open borders, half of Salvador would be here tomorrow and a tenth of China would be on the way. This would be driven by people selling expensive come-to-America packages to be paid for after the immigrants arrive. Bringing hapless immigrants into the US is a major industry and it isn't run by Mother Theresa.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 05:56:37 AM »

If this guy supports open borders,


Apparently you didn't get it either. Here's a hint: no one said a word about whether or not Jindal supports open borders.


Mostly, guys with companies that require cheap, cheap labor who live in wealthy gated communities and a few nutballs support open borders.


You're about as bad as Sirs.


If the US announced it had open borders, half of Salvador would be here tomorrow and a tenth of China would be on the way. This would be driven by people selling expensive come-to-America packages to be paid for after the immigrants arrive. Bringing hapless immigrants into the US is a major industry and it isn't run by Mother Theresa.


I'm still amazed that some folks seem to think there needs to be some sort of coercive action taken to get people here, and that the only people who want open borders are nefarious folks with ulterior motives to ruin lives. I genuinely hope I never become that cynical.

Maybe there are people who want open borders for the sole purpose of ruining other people's lives, but I don't know of any. One of the major reasons for support of open borders is actually quite altruistic: to allow other people the freedom to pursue their own happiness and to better their own lives and the lives of their families. I know you, Xavier, have a very low opinion of capitalism. However, for some (not all unfortunately) of us who happen to like capitalism and believe that it helps people to make better lives for themselves and others, we would like to see that happen for others. I realize you won't agree with that concept, Xavier, but you could at least give us credit for good intentions.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 06:08:25 AM »
To be fair, JS (who probably does not share my admiration of capitalism) seems to be in favor of open borders as well. I'm pretty sure he is not out to make sure the wealthy get cheap labor, seeing how JS is more inclined to support socialism than capitalism. But even he seems to see benefit in opening up trade in labor with immigrants. I think it has something to do with that whole benefiting the workers thing socialists are always on about. So I think it's safe to say, Xavier, there is more to this issue than you're considering.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 07:43:19 AM »
Capitalism is simply a tool. Like a hammer, it can be used for ill or good.
Nearly all the illegals who enter South Florida are brought by various sorts of coyotes and smugglers. I am not saying that these coyotes and smugglers are here to wreck anyone's life: they merely exploit the situation for their own gain.

If you lived here in Miami, you would see what unrestricted borders mean.

It means that young college graduates cannot find a decent job with a health plan.
It means that illegals are preferred for the truly crappy jobs, because they don't complain if they are paid less than the minimum wage and thrown out on whatever whim strikes the employer.
It means that the poverty of the Third World is right here, surrounding us everywhere.
There are beggars and panhandlers hanging out in front of every store.
People sleeping under the highway overpasses, legions of people roaming about pushing grocery carts full of their belongings.

Come to Miami and see how f*cking wonderful only semi-restricted borders are.

This is MY COUNTRY. I don't want people here that pull down the wages for everyone. If I want to live in Haiti or Cuba or Santo Domingo, I will move there.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 10:00:18 AM »
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America is the greatest. We got ahead by hard work. We shouldn't respond to every problem with a government program. Here, anyone can succeed.

Wow. A political line so hokie that P.T. Barnum would have been ashamed to have spoken it in public. Yet, here it is placed in bold as if it is a meaningful statement. Honestly, you've never heard a politician speak? A Louisiana politician!

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He proposes insurance pools in which small businesses can join together to get lower-cost premiums and giving the private sector a greater role in provision of health care for the poor.

LOL

These are new ideas? Sorry, I've got to call male bovine excrement on this one. Those insurance pools already exist and have for decades. The private sector has had plenty of time and a massive opportunity (or "role" if you prefer) to take part in healthcare for the poor. This is just admitting a market failure that everyone already knows exists.

These may be new ideas in Louisiana, but even in Mississippi and Alabama these are well-worn notions.

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He plans tax cuts and an expansion of school choice.

I bet these are some more of those new ideas. I wonder if he's run these by the Louisiana legislature yet. I also wonder if he's bothered to look into why Louisiana ranks dead last in almost every category. Why every other Southern State says, "but for the Grace of God, there's at least Louisiana keeping us from hitting rock bottom."

We'll see what happens, but I'm none too impressed. What the article doesn't say is that a great deal of the corruption is not just Government, but corporate (and a mix of the two). Some of the nastiest polluters are the oil companies in Louisiana and I doubt Jindal will be more than another flunky to them.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2007, 10:07:29 AM »
I am a supporter of open borders.

XO, I think that part of the problem with Miami and Florida is that Castro was much smarter than a number of our Cold War presidents, especially Carter and Reagan. When they decided that any Cuban who landed on Florida's soil was automatically a refugee and treated like a freedom fighting capitalist saint, Castro decided that emptying the prisons of the worst thugs, murderers, and organized criminals in Cuba by floating them to Florida was a great idea.

Obviously there has to be some restraints and I think Prince would agree that no one supports a situation where emptying prisons would happen again.

But, if we had an agreement, like Schengen in Europe, then we would see the working classes in all of the countries involved improve their lot. I daresay that unionism would become more and more commonplace. As opposed to a fluctuating wage floor, we would see a steadying market wage. Plus, all those billions we spend (and some people want to increase that spending every year - e.g. DEA - would be free to serve more useful purposes).
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