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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on November 06, 2012, 11:10:24 AM
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Naaaaa, no intimidation going on here.......vote Obama or move move along (http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2012/11/06/black-panther-philadelphia-polling-place-201/)
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First Miss Sirs says the left will accuse the right of cheating if Romney wins and now he is accusing the left of cheating.
BSB
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So now we know...sirs can be easily intimidated by a Black guy dressed in black.
I wonder how many times he has been cowered by concierges, maitre 'ds, rent-a-cops at the Family Dollar, parking lot attendants.
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I wonder how many times he has been cowered by concierges, maitre 'ds, rent-a-cops at the Family Dollar, parking lot attendants.
wow...what a racist statement!
I don't see many "concierges, maitre 'ds" wearing combat boots and carrying bats!
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID16146/images/Panthers_picnik.jpg)
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and what's amazing Cu4, is that these 2 immature coolaide drinking bozos would be going apoplectic if there were anyone who just happened to be wearing a white sheet, in front of some polling place. Heck, it might just be a white hankerchief, but if they're in front of a polling place, then obviously they're there to intimidate that you vote "the right way", or don't vote at all
But reverse the wrong....well....move along, nothing to see here
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Geesus, read Miss Sirs post in Reply#4. Totaly made up nonsense.
What a whack-job.
BSB
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GOP Inspectors Thrown Out of Philadelphia Polling Places
By Jim Geraghty - November 6, 2012
This morning, the GOP is sending along this message:
The Philadelphia GOP is reporting that court appointed Minority (read GOP) Inspectors are being thrown out of polling locations in several Wards.
The Philadelphia Inquirer is on it: https://twitter.com/tomfitzgerald/status/265784062617206785 (https://twitter.com/tomfitzgerald/status/265784062617206785)
These Inspectors are election officials "again, court appointed " and are reportedly being thrown out by the Head Judges of Elections (these Judges are elected Democrats).
This has happened at the following locations:
Ward 32, Div 13
Ward 43, Div 14
Ward 56, Div 1
Ward 56, Div 22
Ward 32, Div 28
Ward 12, Div 17
Ward 39, Div 1
Ward 24, Div 9
Ward 18, Div 25
Ward 43, Div 14
Ward 29, Div 18
Ward 65, Div 19
Ward 20, Div 1
Ward 6, Div 11
It would be great to see an election year where everyone working elections knew the law, knew the rules, and obeyed them, huh?
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/332663/gop-inspectors-thrown-out-philadelphia-polling-places (http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/332663/gop-inspectors-thrown-out-philadelphia-polling-places)
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They must have been wearing white sheets.......oh wait, that'd be ok, apparently
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Or SIRS maybe instead of combat gear and bats try being a decent American like
Col. Allen West helping elderly voters get to the polls today in West Palm Beach & Jupiter.
Ya know....being color-blind instead of racially divisive like Obama and Co.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Politics/colwest_zps7126ef66.jpg)
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Alan West is a loudmouthed Fascist pig.
Not even the Army wanted him.
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Or SIRS maybe instead of combat gear and bats try being a decent American like
Col. Allen West helping elderly voters get to the polls today in West Palm Beach & Jupiter.
Ya know....being color-blind instead of racially divisive like Obama and Co.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Politics/colwest_zps7126ef66.jpg)
What a concept.....but of course, watch the left denounce the act as "see....just another example of a Republican pushing grandma off a cliff, that uncle tom fascist"
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He would be happy to take away that poor old lady's healthcare. West is despicable.
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He would be happy to take away that poor old lady's healthcare.
With of course, not 1 shred of proof, evidence, or even rhetort of his to back up the asinine claim
West is despicable.
Naaa....that'd be the above meritless accusation
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Funny business in Philly: GOP officials booted, Black Panthers return -- and Obama at polling site?
A Pennsylvania judge is issuing an order to reinstate Republican election officials across Philadelphia who allegedly were ejected or refused entry by on-site Democratic voting chief judges, GOP officials tell Fox News.
One Republican official claimed that "just under 70" Republican election officials were blocked from Philadelphia polling sites Tuesday morning by Democrats on site. One of them, the official claimed, "was shoved out of the polling place."
"For this many inspectors to be ejected from polling places is rare, even for Philadelphia," the official told FoxNews.com.
Further, one polling site in Philadelphia apparently had a mural of President Obama emblazoned on the wall directly behind the voting machines. The mural, at a local school being used as a polling site, contained the words "change!" and "hope," along with a quote from the president.
Republicans were drawing attention to the image Tuesday morning, with one Mitt Romney spokesman tweeting: "Voters in Philly's Ward 35 are being forced to cast their ballots next to this."
Pennsylvania election law states "no person within a polling place may electioneer or solicit votes for any political party, political body, or candidate, nor may any unauthorized written or printed materials be posted within the polling place."
Elsewhere in the city, a representative from the New Black Panther Party was also spotted outside a polling site. The New Black Panthers stirred controversy in 2008 when members appeared outside a polling site, one of them holding a billy club. The representative seen Tuesday morning was not armed.
The flap over the election judges, though, was widespread. Republicans claim they are obtaining a series of court orders to seat the so-called election "inspectors," and sheriff's deputies will be available to escort them.
Despite the high number of officials who were allegedly booted, the dispute itself is not uncommon for Philadelphia. Fred Voigt, legal counsel for the city commissioners, said these kinds of face-offs happen "with regularity" in the City of Brotherly Love.
"It happens all the time," Voigt said. He said court-appointed Republican officials typically show up on Election Day and end up squaring off against stand-in officials at the polling sites filling in the open seats. Part of the problem, he said, is that the Republican inspectors are appointed on relatively short notice, leading to a string of confrontations on Election Day.
"There are no cool heads here," Voigt said.
The on-site election officials are responsible for verifying the identity of voters, and monitoring for signs of fraud or disenfranchisement.
NOT so fast (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinstate-booted-philadelphia-election-officials/)
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God Spotted in Disguise
The Ohio Tribune
Nov 6, 2012
CLEVELAND: God, disguised as a black preacher, was caught trying to vote for the third time for Gov Romney.
http://www.tribune.com/local-news (http://www.tribune.com/local-news)
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Try to get serious B.......you find it perfectly ok for a black panther to be stationing himself outside a polling booth?, huge mural of Obama right behind a voting machine? A local election judge, checking in voters, while wearing an Obama hat?? Is the coolaide that good, that wrong is right, as long as the ends justify the means?? Really??
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...you find it perfectly ok for a black panther to be stationing himself outside a polling booth?
As long as they follow the rules, no.
...huge mural of Obama right behind a voting machine?
No, but then a judge ordered it covered.
You didn't mention a Florida county that called hundreds, perhaps thousands, of voters today telling them to be sure to vote tomorrow. This was explained by their robocaller not being able to make all the calls yesterday and automatically queueing up the remaining calls to be made today. It was stopped as soon as it was discovered and new calls made reminding voters election day is today.
I'm sure there will be more.
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Voters head to polls, reports of problems start pouring in
By Lylah M. Alphonse, Yahoo! News
An unexpected glitch almost caused one central Pennsylvania voter to cast his ballot for the wrong candidate, highlighting concerns about voter fraud in a number of states on an already tense Election Day. The Election Protection coalition, for instance, has reported ballot scanning problems in Ohio in Cleveland, Dayton, and Toledo.
"I initially selected Obama but Romney was highlighted," writes Centralpavote on YouTube, of the glitch in central Pennsylvania. "I assumed it was being picky so I de-selected Romney and tried Obama again, this time more carefully, and still got Romney."
The man, a software developer, tried troubleshooting the screen, selecting different names. But "the top of Romney's button down to the bottom of the black checkbox beside Obama's name was all active for Romney." A few more taps, and he discovered that the only way to select Obama was to click on a small sliver of the screen. All of the buttons for the other candidates seemed to work fine.
Other voters at the precinct didn't have the same problem, he said, and the volunteer didn't seem concerned. "She him hawed for a bit then calmly said, 'It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK,' and went back to what she was doing," he wrote. "I then recorded this video." He insists that the video is unedited—the jumpy frames are from the camera app on his Android phone, he says.
2012 Voting Machines Altering Votes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM#)
Reports are pouring in from other voters who say they've had the same experience with electronic voting machines in other areas, and the computer-savvy among them are quick to point out that the problem is less about fraud and more about faulty electronics.
"This happens to ALL touch screen machines (your phone, kiosk, computer, etc)," writes Cheeta219 on YouTube. "These are crudely, haphazardly built machines that will fail sometimes."
There are other problems occurring as well. In some minority neighborhoods in Galveston, Texas, polling places opened late, making it impossible for people to vote earlier in the day. (The Galveston County Daily News reports that those 45 voting centers will stay open two hours later, until 8:54 p.m., to make up for the delay.)
And thanks to a different kind of technological glitch, there were also some voters in Pinellas County, Fla., who received phone calls on Tuesday morning reminding them to vote on Wednesday—the day after Election Day. In Oregon, an election worker was fired after she allegedly tampered with ballots by writing in Republican candidates in places where voters had left sections blank.
And in the heavily Democratic city of Philadelphia, the Republican Party reported that 75 legally credentialed voting inspectors were kicked out of polling places. Local prosecutors are investigating.
But the biggest problems reported by voters so far? Long lines.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/watch-glitch-voting-machine-pennsylvania-171806481--election.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/watch-glitch-voting-machine-pennsylvania-171806481--election.html)
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...you find it perfectly ok for a black panther to be stationing himself outside a polling booth?
As long as they follow the rules, no.
No, you don't find it ok?? or No, not a problem, so long as they follow the rules
If the latterm, then someone(s) wearing KKK robes, in front of a polling place, is perfectly ok, as long as "they follow the rules"??
...huge mural of Obama right behind a voting machine?
No, but then a judge ordered it covered.
Glad that got addressed, though it shouldn't have occured in the 1st place
You didn't mention a Florida county that called hundreds, perhaps thousands, of voters today telling them to be sure to vote tomorrow. This was explained by their robocaller not being able to make all the calls yesterday and automatically queueing up the remaining calls to be made today. It was stopped as soon as it was discovered and new calls made reminding voters election day is today.
That was a technical problem. and yea, I'm sure there'll be more, and hopefully such problems can be minimized. More to the point, Pennsylvania election law states "no person within a polling place may electioneer or solicit votes for any political party, political body, or candidate, nor may any unauthorized written or printed materials be posted within the polling place."
Apparently, your position is as long as they're immediately outside the polling place, they can be as intimidating as they want? Move along, nothing to see here?? What about the election judge wearing the Obama hat, while checking in voters. No biggie?
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No, not a problem. Is it intimidation to wear a black leather jacket? Klan robes, however, have an entirely different connotation.
What about the election judge wearing the Obama hat, while checking in voters. No biggie?
Where? I don't recall seeing that one.
Just seems odd that with all your over the top paranoia, the only clear instance of fraud I see is the one in Oregon, for the GOP candidates. Go figure.
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No, not a problem. Is it intimidation to wear a black leather jacket?
It is when you're representing the New Black Panthers, an organization with a very disinct connotation analogus to the Klan robes
So it either is, or it isn't.
What about the election judge wearing the Obama hat, while checking in voters. No biggie?
Where? I don't recall seeing that one.
right here (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/election-judge-wears-obama-cap-while-checking-voters-obamas-chicago-ward_661843.html) that's ok as well, I assume?
Just seems odd that with all your over the top paranoia, the only clear instance of fraud I see is the one in Oregon, for the GOP candidates. Go figure.
Strange how pointing specific instances of clear intimidation is "paranoia", while I have yet to hear of anything in Oregon to opine one way or another. Yea, go figure
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We have bikers, and I'm sure others, here who wear black leather jackets. Why should I assume, if I see someone in a black leather jacket near a polling place, they are there to intimidate me? Now if I see someone in a white robe and hood, that's a different story.
You assume way too much. That's a big part of your problem. I said I hadn't seen that item yet and you jump to the conclusion I'm okay with it. And out comes the Sirs snark.
Enjoy your delusions of grandeur.
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Speaking of paranoia......do you ever catch the "?"??.... that's ok as well, I assume? Notice that's a question, in which case you can then clarify yes or no. If you can't tell the difference of a new Black Panther standing out in front of a polling booth, vs a biker who.....would have no reason to stand outside of a polling booth, for any length of time, well...I'm just glad you're not a detective of any sort
Here's a news flash, a Black Panther is NO DIFFERENT than someone in a hooded robe. They just have polar racist positions. I just find it amazing how you're giving one a pass
Oh, I also noticed no response to the election judge and no link to this Republican fraud story. Go figure
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Oh, I also noticed no response to the election judge and no link to this Republican fraud story. Go figure
As to the judge, well, hell, you've already made up your mind what I think before I even had a chance to read the story, so I figured there was no reason to respond. And don't bother coming back and asking, once you start telling me what I think, that boat has sailed.
As to the fraud, check out my response #18 in this thread.
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Oh, I also noticed no response to the election judge and no link to this Republican fraud story. Go figure
As to the judge, well, hell, you've already made up your mind what I think before I even had a chance to read the story
Well, chalk that up to being wrong. So, I guess in the absence of an answer, I'm left to have to remove the question mark, and go with the predominance of your current arguement, rationalizing how its ok for New Black Panthers to hang outside a polling booth, but no so for KKK folks, even if they're "following all the rules"
As to the fraud, check out my response #18 in this thread.
I'll check it out
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Ok, I checked out response #18, and it had nothing about GOP fraud, especially since it was my response. I then checked out both 16 & 17...no where did I read anything about some Republican fraud in Oregon. ???
Sorry H, you're gonna have to be more specific. Can you please specifically link this story of alledged Republican voter fraud in Oregon?
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duplicate post
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Well, since you had already made up your mind, I doubt it matters.
Do you think so and so is right? is a question.
I assume you think so and so is right? is a declarative sentence with a question mark thrown in to give you wiggle room.
And look again. It is near the end below the clip.
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Well, since you had already made up your mind, I doubt it matters.
It doesn't, if you're not going to answer. Ball in your court
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Ahhh, there's the Oregonian blurb. And she was appropriately fired. So, why all the huff and puff about it??
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There wasn't any 'huff and puff', I merely mentioned the only sure case of voter fraud I had seen reported was that one. So far.
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It doesn't, if you're not going to answer. Ball in your court
You don't seem to get it. I'm not playing ball.
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Funny, I 've been listening to, and watching, the news on and off all day as I go about my business. No one has said a word about this big bad black panther but sirs.
BSB
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There wasn't any 'huff and puff', I merely mentioned the only sure case of voter fraud I had seen reported was that one. So far.
Was I claiming any Dem voter fraud?....anywhere?
So still mum on the election judge's Obama hat, huh. Imagine that
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Funny, I 've been listening to, and watching, the news on and off all day as I go about my business. No one has said a word about this big bad black panther but sirs.
BSB
....and FoxNews.....and Drudgereport. I appreciate you helping to reinforce the ever transparent MSM bias B. Thanks
Sirs
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Fox News and the Drugereport.
Ha ha, yeah I bet.
BSB
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And then lose that bet
Let's try one more time to see if B has any intentions of taking this issue seriously.....you find it perfectly ok for a black panther to be stationing himself outside a polling booth? or a local election judge, checking in voters, while wearing an Obama hat?? Is the coolaide that good, that wrong is right, as long as the ends justify the means??
Really??
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You're so out of it Miss Sirs you didn't even get the meaning of what I said. I said "I bet". In other words of course, Fox News and the Drugereport, who else?
BSB
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So still mum on the election judge's Obama hat, huh. Imagine that
(http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/eduwonkette/upload/2008/06/holding_a_mirror_up_to_the_edu_1/missed-the-boat.jpg)
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And bsb still refraining from addressing the appropriateness of New Black Panthers at a polling place, & H still refraining from commenting on an election judge wearing an Obama hat.
Imagine that
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Perhaps Miss Kim will have better luck getting H to answer a pretty simple inquiry
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I wonder what his 40 time is? The Patriots need some new defensive backs.
BSB
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2481995617_efe892f4f7.jpg#missed%20the%20boat)
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I wonder what his 40 time is? The Patriots need some new defensive backs. BSB
they just got some....but they need to bring Sterling Moore back!
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Perhaps Miss Kim will have better luck getting H to answer a pretty simple inquiry
Or maybe not
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2481995617_efe892f4f7.jpg#missed%20the%20boat)
I used to hate nearly missing flights.
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Me too
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And here's the kicker as H takes off on his little victimhood cruise........this is a debate forum, where we discuss ideas, and challenge positions that need challenged.
Despite H's semantic dodge about what he thinks I think he thinks, let's placate it for a moment. Let's pretend that's exactly what sirs thinks H thinks about the Election Judge wearing the Obama hat...that its perfectly ok in his book. Remember, we're just pretending here. So, what's stopping the effort in commenting on the election Judge anyway?? Screw sirs, this is what, I H thinks, about it........ And go from there
You see H, you're not required to respond directly to me. When a question is asked, there may be others who are interested in hearing what your thoughts are, especially if its a legitimate issue, such as an election judge, wearing an Obama hat, while recording voters coming into vote. Not to mention the witness in the story stating they saw this "judge" hand out 2 ballots to the person in front of them. Now, did this witness say anything to anyone? Apparently to the person writing the story at least. Was she too intimidated to report it to an official at the voting spot, literally defying a Judge? Who knows, point is, it's a legitimate story. and instead of H commenting on it, he has to have a bit of a fit in erroneosly claiming what I must be thinking he must be thinking, and that gets him off the hook.
If it makes you feel better H, you don't have to defend the indefensible, like rationlizing that New Black Panthers standing outside a polling place is just fine, but KKK'ers would not. But don't think trying to pull "sirs is trying to think what I'm thinking" is going to get you off the hook of dodging a serious point made.
Enjoy your cruise
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I didn't read Bears posts to mean he was leaving.
I think his posts were stating that you missed the boat.
But that is an intent vs interpretation debate that can be had as more information becomes available.
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Oh, I'm not leaving. But by basically telling me what I think, Sirs has pretty much shut down any response I might have on that particular topic. All that before, I might add, I had even read the story. And offering to have someone else come in and shill for him to get a response isn't going to work either.
Move on, Sirs.
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I didn't read Bears posts to mean he was leaving.
I didn't either. Why would you think that? See what happens when you try to assume something, without asking? Like H erroneously still claiming what I must think he thinks? You 2 should start practicing what you preach
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And here's the kicker as H takes off on his little victimhood cruise...
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Yea....and? That was in reference to the picture, as the "ship sailing away". You see, I got the point 1st picture. As I said, you 2 best start practicing what you preach, instead of assuming things I never meant
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Any particular reason you went back and edited your post at 1:38 AM?
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Usually it's a spelling issue. What's the nefarious intent you think I've done now?
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(http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2009/9/4/128965494832102992.jpg)
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Hey, there's no point in sugar coating this. Sirs you're just a liar that's all.
BSB
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Boy the grasping's getting pretty desperate.....and lookee, all these great irrellevent pics and asinine invalid claims, and still nothing to say about an election judge wearing an Obama hat, at a voting station. I'm shocked I tell yas, shocked.............not ;)
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Yeah right. One guy wears an Obama hat and like that actually influenced anyone to do anything.
Fairness, according to sirs, is all about election officials wearing a hat.
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Boy the grasping's getting pretty desperate.....and lookee, all these great irrellevent pics and asinine invalid claims, and still nothing to say about an election judge wearing an Obama hat, at a voting station. I'm shocked I tell yas, shocked.............not ;)
I told you, since you already assumed what my response would be, that ship has sailed. Whining isn't going to get you an answer. Calling in a shill isn't going to get you an answer. 'Ball in your court' isn't going to get you an answer. You whiffed it. Go sit on the bench and pout and try to do better next time.
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Yeah right. One guy wears an Obama hat and like that actually influenced anyone to do anything.
Fairness, according to sirs, is all about election officials wearing a hat.
Well at least we have a concession in the grossly inappropriate act by this, borderline illegal, by this election judge, per Pennsylvania election law
That's at least some progress
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Boy the grasping's getting pretty desperate.....and lookee, all these great irrellevent pics and asinine invalid claims, and still nothing to say about an election judge wearing an Obama hat, at a voting station. I'm shocked I tell yas, shocked.............not ;)
I told you, since you already assumed what my response would be, that ship has sailed.
and since I indicated how you were wrong, your ship set sail without a chart....you just ran
But at least I hope you enjoyed the cruise
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LOL, sure, believe what you want.
Maybe next time you ask a question you'll actually ask a question, instead of assuming you already know the answer.
Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Which may lead to a lot of unanswered "questions".
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LOL, sure, believe what you want.
Doesn't require "belief", I saw it. Asked a question, you didn't answer, then stomped off in a huff, claiming how dare I think what you think. All the while you could have killed 2 birds with one stone, demonstrating how wrong any assumption YOU thought I was making of you was, and addressing the issue at hand
Did you? Nope....had to have some coniption fit that sirs was daring to think for you, daring to assume things you hadn't assumed, then went off on your directionless cruise.
You had your chance, now you look more and more like a victim, as you continue to expend more and more energy on this needless tangent of what you think sirs thinks what H thinks, vs addressing the election judge wearing an obama hat at a voting precinct, in the 1st place.
Your choice, your ship
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'Stomped off in a huff'?
Been right here all along, watching you try to wriggle out of it.
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Oh, I'm sorry......."Sailed off in a huff"
As I said, your choice, your ship