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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on July 11, 2015, 05:49:49 PM
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Love him or hate him, there are some components to Trump running that candidates really need to embrace. 1st and formost....authenticity. He doesn't come across as a politician. He doesn't come across as reading off some talking point sheet, put together by a bunch of PC advisers. He's up front with what he believes, and doesn't flip flop to which way the political winds are blowing at any given moment. Much like Chris Christie.
Also....he doesn't care about sucking up to the "Establishment". I mean, the GOP won this MAJOR election last go around, campagining on issues that really mattered, repealing Obamacare, a referendum on nearly every policy and exectutive action Obama pushed, and after they resoundly defeated the Democrats via the people's decision on that referendum, turned right around and ran from every Democrat criticising them for daring to try and run on what they campaigned on. Trump would stick to what he campaigned on.
Just a couple of the issues that GOP candidates can take from the Don, that would go a long ways in improving their electoral chances
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Does it matter that he has the charm of smarm and the manner of a dopey landlord?
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Those would not be aspects I'd consider that the Don does get right, although it does run in the direction of authenticity 8)
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The Donald is an authentic egotistical racist asshole.
Authentically egotistical
Authentically racist
An authentic asshole.
By all means, nominate this creep.
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Feel better?
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The Donald is .................Authentically racist
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Why would you think this?
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Those would not be aspects I'd consider that the Don does get right, although it does run in the direction of authenticity 8)
I see what you mean, the highly polished candidate is often as not a work of his handlers art. With Speechwriters , joke writers ,speech coaches , and valets , we don't get to hear their own words or even see their own choice in clothes .
I remember Al Gore having made his coaches famous , why do we vote for people like this?
The more polish , the more it is a hired staff and the money being represented.
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.
http://allpoetry.com/A-Man's-A-Man-For-A'-That
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Well summized
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Trump does not hire speech writers or PR people because he thinks is is smarter than they could ever possibly be.
To be any sort of effective president, a person has to be tactful and diplomatic and offend ad few people as possible. He is not effective when he reveals that beneath his rough, slovenly exterior is a total asshole.
He matches the sentiments of the Tea Party very closely, except, of course, for the fact that he has bazillions of dollars and is greedy for more, and they are merely greedy for more, because, you know, "they got to much already".
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No, that's not the prerequisate of a President. I don't care how many people our Preisdent offends, so long as he's fulfilling the primary responibility of the President. If you want tact, then run the State Dept. Though given the previous SoS, that's apparently not important to not effoend there, either at this point. Point being, being a good President has very little to do with tact or some perverse goal of offending as little as possible. A good President is one who leads, despite who he might offend in the process
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Name one great president that was as deliberately offensive as Trump.
Even Nixon did not come close.
Tact and diplomacy are a prerequisite for any politician in a democracy with a free press.
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What YOU perceive as "deliberately" offensive, is clearly subjective. Hell, EVERY GOP candidate will be perceived by you as being deliberately offensive. Point is that tact & diplomacy may be prerequisates for a DIPLOMAT, not the President of the United States
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Watch and see The Donald stumble and fail, precisely because he is a total egotistical asshole.
He is likely to bring the GOP down with him.
That is a bodacious thing.
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Considering he's not my guy, and the point of this thread was to highlight that which the other candidates should focus on, you can stuff the ongoing derogatories aimed at anything and everything Trump. They're next to meaningless here
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The Donald is an authentic egotistical racist asshole.
(http://1jixmz4c8bdy3oeret3j4q7p.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/obama.jpg)
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BINGO ;)
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Name one great president that was as deliberately offensive as Trump.
Even Nixon did not come close.
Tact and diplomacy are a prerequisite for any politician in a democracy with a free press.
Theodore Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, Truman, Abraham Lincoln.Trump does not hire speech writers or PR people because he thinks is is smarter than they could ever possibly be.
To be any sort of effective president, a person has to be tactful and diplomatic and offend ad few people as possible.
This describes President Obama quite well , but he is hardly an effective president, Even though I like Carter quite a lot as a person , I don't think of him as effective. He is not effective when he reveals that beneath his rough, slovenly exterior is a total asshole.
Every company and every country ,like every person, requires at least one asshole.
He matches the sentiments of the Tea Party very closely, except, of course, for the fact that he has bazillions of dollars and is greedy for more, and they are merely greedy for more, because, you know, "they got to much already".
I don't believe you have a handle on the Tea party message , nor have I seen a connection to Trump as yet.
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The Tea Party message that taxes are too high, they got too much already, no one in Washington can do anything right, aliens should be driven out, and the border should be sealed seems to be pretty much what Trump is saying. The Teabaggers are ignorami, and so it Trump and both Trump and the Teabaggers are ignorant about the same things in the same way.
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The Tea Party message that taxes are too high, they got too much already, no one in Washington can do anything right, aliens should be driven out, and the border should be sealed ...........................
So Trump agrees with them , or is following them?
I don't think he has been directly associated.
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He is sucking up to them, because he is superficial and a know it all who knows nothing. They are all Cliff Clayborn types.
Trump knows how to make money and to pass the risk off to unwitting suckers who are impressed by his money.
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speaking of Obama didn`t trump investigate Obama`s citizenship regarding the presidency and I don`t think I ever hear how that ended.
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speaking of Obama didn`t trump investigate Obama`s citizenship regarding the presidency and I don`t think I ever hear how that ended.
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Why yes, he did. He claims to have hired some investigators to go to Honolulu to investigate.
His very last words on this were something like "I have some investoigators looking into this, and you would be surprised to learn what they are finding".
Shortly after that, Obama released the long form of his birth certificate, and not one more peep was hear from The Donald.
I think it ended when Trump's investigators told him there was no evidence of Obama being born anywhere other than in Honolulu. And of course, Obama was the son of an American mother, which makes him a citizen.
Trump will lie, he will steal, he will commit various sorts of fraud, but he is careful to do it in such a way as not to be arrested.
He put his name on several projects in the Miami Area that fell through, though he got paid several hundred thousand for the use of his name on them. He was partners with at least one Mafioso in this.
It is unwise to lend The Donald money for anything. You are very likely to lose it, and it is certain that he will not give it back.
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It is unwise to lend The Donald money for anything. You are very likely to lose it, and it is certain that he will not give it back.
This is true!
Donald Trump borrows big and sometimes pays back slowly.
When you owe the bank so much that the bank can't stand to foreclose you have leverage to renegotiate. Trump has done this.
So is this a disqualification for the US Presidency?
Seems like a common feature of Presidents .
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I don't think any US president has ever been involved in so many shady real estate deals. Juniorbush and his ripoff deal with the Texas Rangers did come close.
I would never vote for Trump. He is clearly disqualified in my book, because he is an egotistical grandstanding lout.
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I don't think any US president has ever been involved in so many shady real estate deals. .................
This didn't disqualify the Clintons.,
.......... because he is an egotistical grandstanding lout.
This describes a lot of Presidents, not Calvin Coolidge, but a majority of them.
Isn't having a high opinion of oneself in the job description?
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No presidential nominee has ever come close to being as despicable an asshole as Trump.
Trump did not borrow and pay back slowly. He tricked others into borrowing in their own names and paying him for the use of his name, then took his cut and left them holding the bag with a failed project. He took the money and never paid it back.
Anyone who gets involved in a business with Trump is a dolt, based on experience.
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Trump did not borrow and pay back slowly. He tricked others into borrowing in their own names and paying him for the use of his name, then took his cut and left them holding the bag with a failed project. He took the money and never paid it back.
I believe it, but we must be speaking of different incidents.
These kind of things keep me from really being a Trump supporter, but the same sort of thing has been attached to Clinton's name and obviously didn't disqualify them.
Being an asshole as he is puts him squarely in the center of the series, as Presidents go.
Do you know some of the details of LBJ's early days?
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lets clarify is donald against immigration or only illegals.
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I would opine a 90/10 opposition....90% against illegal immigration, and the 10% that Mexico does in pushing their immigrants to cross illegally. And that's including the millions of central & south americans that Mexico literally assists crossing their country, to place at our border
The left constantly harps about income inequality, when its these asinine immigration policies that flood the country with low, if not unskilled, poverty level workers
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Doesn't thwt make 100% illegals?
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Yes, but that's factoring in what the Mexican Government tries to do, which is how I read Trump's ire aimed at "Mexico"
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I notice the statement not sending thier best and it looked more like he's critical of the quality of legal immigrants and did not even see much mention of the legality of the immigrants he eas talking about.
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I haven't heard of any modern candidates being for any reduction in legal immigration.
This may be a measure of how badly the gates are too small already.
The process of legal immigration is so difficult and demanding and strictured that a person who achieves legal immigration is practically a good citizen of the US years before he gets here.
There must be room to open the gates a little wider, and hopefully comb out some of the tangles that make ridiculous .
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No candidate is going to announce that he is for more immigration. I don't think that any candidate ever has done this. It is not something that would get more votes than it would lose. There are far more workers who see immigrants as a threat to their jobs than would ever want to hire more of them.
Mexico does not "send immigrants". Neither does the US. Immigrants do not come because they are sent by any government. It is just another comment that Trump made so that smart people can understand what a huge ignorant asshole he is.
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The literal nazi strikes again. Trump wasn't referring to some Mexican Government program xo, like the Dept of Illegal U.S. Immigration. ::) The context is clear with Trump that the Mexican government assists and even encourages illegal immigration, into our country
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As an asian I've actuality a couple of times been accused of stealing jobs. The claim is so stupid I've quickly responded by saying it's more like these jobs tossed to the ground and i picked them up since nobody wanted them. My first job in America is an italian pizza cook in the eighties. It's extremely common for mostly chinese to do those jobs since for some reason italians won't do it. It's crazy easy for us to do it since the similarities. Ex. Ravioli is our wonton
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It is not true that the Mexican government assists Mexicans to sneak into the US.
Trump is a gasbag, a demagogue and a liar.
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It's absolutely true, but more so with Central & South Americans
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That is totally absurd, you have zero proof. They come for reasons of their own, not because any government sends them.
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And one more time, I NEVER SAID THE GOVERNMENT SENDS THEM, Dr Deflection. I made it crystal clear that they do assist and encourage illegal immigration into our country. Especially Central & South Americans that run into their militarized southern border
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http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/guide-for-the-mexican-migrant/
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_issues/hot_issues_in_congress/immigration/mexican-booklet.pdf
I just read the English version , this isn't really offensive .
The Spanish version I can't understand of course , I just trust the translator.