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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on March 08, 2010, 06:29:48 PM
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Dan Rather Sunday March 7, 2010
"Obama couldn't sell watermelons if you
gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic....."
Dan Rather "[Obama] Couldn't Sell Watermelons" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-xqiG9LOc#)
Listen to Chris Matthews try to cut Rather off,
knowing what a steaming pile he'd just stepped in.
Priceless!
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Biden: Obama is first "CLEAN" African American (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgIFV7jXBFQ#)
Michael Savage - Negro Comments and Harry Reid, Disastrous Obama Administration -- (1/11/10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePzeW8PVei0&feature=related#)
Michelle Obama "WHITEY" video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNPVpXTrX0A&feature=related#)
Barack Obama The Racist - In His Own Words (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zM5ldO35A&feature=related#)
Imus Calls Girls Nappy Headed Hoes & Jjiggaboos!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmF8iIeOVEo#)
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Shhhhh.....who do you think this is? A Republican??
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Shhhhh.....who do you think this is? A Republican??
Where is Mikey & XO displaying outrage at the racism by Democrat supporters and donors? They do all the time when so-called conservatives are accused crossing racial boundaries. Looks like the left uses a selection process to determine what is racially charged and what isn't and in this case Dan Blather is OK. Maybe if Dan had used chicken in place of watermelon he might have been censored.
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Strangely, everything Rather says is a lie... until he dumps on Obama.
Then he magically becomes and expert.
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Strangely, everything Rather says is a lie... until he dumps on Obama.
Then he magically becomes and expert.
no Dan Blather is definitely a liar, plus a racist liar and a purveyor of false documents whilst using a national forum (CBS News) of delivery, which makes Dan scum of the earth and irrelevant as all get out. And you too for not calling him out, which makes me wonder if you aren't as racist as Joe Biden & Harry Reid.
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Strangely, everything Rather says is a lie... until he dumps on Obama. Then he magically becomes and expert.
Who ever said that (Rather now magically and expert)?? Inquiring minds would love to know
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<<Where is Mikey & XO displaying outrage at the racism by Democrat supporters and donors? They do all the time when so-called conservatives are accused crossing racial boundaries. Looks like the left uses a selection process to determine what is racially charged and what isn't and in this case Dan Blather is OK. Maybe if Dan had used chicken in place of watermelon he might have been censored.>>
Rather's not running for public office. For the record, I condemn as racist and unacceptable Rather's comment on Obama and watermelons. I think the "macaca" slur by a candidate for the U.S. Senate is a much worse example of racism. I think Trent Lott's endorsement of the Dixiecrats and Strom Thurmond is much more troubling.
Racism is so embedded in your country and so thoroughly permeates the white population that it is endemic even among the friends of the beleaguered blacks, so personally I feel the anti-racists have to pick their battles. You can't fight every fucking racist or you'd be at war with the entire white population of the U.S. So it makes sense to limit the fights to those who mean actual harm to black Americans, and not take on those who are well-disposed to the cause of racial equality, but merely let slip the odd stupidity which their racist upbringing has hard-wired into them.
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You can't fight every fucking racist or you'd be at war with the entire white population of the U.S.
who just elected a black president and recently had a black secretary of state and a black national security advisor
how many black presidents/PM has Canada elected?
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<<who just elected a black president and recently had a black secretary of state and a black national security advisor
<<how many black presidents/PM has Canada elected?>>
Obviously, those who voted for Obama were less racist than those who didn't, which was my point exactly. There are racists and worse racists. Harry Reid and Joe Biden must have voted for Obama, but their racist upbringing resulted in racist remarks. The country is soaked in racism, but some are overcoming it.
I was asked, why didn't I condemn Rather's outburst of racist comment. My answer was, ALL of them are programmed to make racist remarks, so why condemn the good guys (Reid, Biden, Rather) who, although raised in the hate culture of racist America, are nevertheless to be commended for having pulled themselves out of that foul swamp to the point where they're able to support Obama?
Canada hasn't elected a black PM probably because we don't have a lot of blacks here. We did not go out of our way to murder, kidnap and enslave millions of blacks, so we don't have a large black population and the odds of them becoming leader are therefore small.
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So, basically in Tee's mind...everyone's a racist. Just some "worse than others". I guess we can all deduce just how racist Tee must be then
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Being Black is not stereotypically linked to the purveying of watermelons, but the ingesting of them. As such, Rather's comment was not racist.
Canada has a much smaller Black population than the US, and hence is less likely to elect a Black PM.
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LOL...leave it to Xo to hypocritically defend that which he'd be excoriating a Republican or Conservative for :D
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Being Black is not stereotypically linked to the purveying of watermelons, but the ingesting of them. As such, Rather's comment was not racist.
Canada has a much smaller Black population than the US, and hence is less likely to elect a Black PM.
how many orphaned Haitians did they take in?
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Canada had slaves.
http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/africanns/archives.asp?ID=10&Language=English (http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/africanns/archives.asp?ID=10&Language=English)
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D'oh
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Canada had a few slaves, sure, but they were freed a long time before the U.S. freed its slaves. And they were never enslaved in the millions to the point where the U.S. economy had come to depend upon their labour.
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Canada had a few slaves, sure, but they were freed a long time before the U.S. freed its slaves.
30 years is "a long time"?
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Canada had a few slaves, sure, but they were freed a long time before the U.S. freed its slaves. And they were never enslaved in the millions to the point where the U.S. economy had come to depend upon their labour.
I bet the FEW weren't too happy.
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Canada had a few slaves, sure, but they were freed a long time before the U.S. freed its slaves.
So? You still had them. Owned, traded and considered property.
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It is stretching it a bit to tell Tee that he had slaves. I imagine that the Tees came to Canada long after the last slave was freed. The largest minority in Canada was the Francophones, probably followed by Chinese, then Ukrainians, and then perhaps Blacks (or maybe Indians). Canada has had several French-speaking PM's.
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Oooooo, the literal nazi comes out of his closet
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I imagine that the Tees came to Canada long after the last slave was freed.
Doesn't matter. His country had slaves. The frontier was settled with slaves and the country and slave owners prospered because of slaves.
Doesn't matter when the Tees came, they reaped the benefits of the contributions of those who came before them. And least that is how the argument goes in the USA , don't see why different logic would apply to Canada.
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It was a drop in the bucket. Like comparing the no. of victims of Ted Bundy with the number of victims of Adolf Hitler and then (in BT's "numbers make no difference" formulation) equating the two of them as mass murderers of equal stature. Basically, Canadian guilt over slavery is minuscule, American guilt is maximal.
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It was a drop in the bucket. Like comparing the no. of victims of Ted Bundy with the number of victims of Adolf Hitler and then (in BT's "numbers make no difference" formulation) equating the two of them as mass murderers of equal stature. Basically, Canadian guilt over slavery is minuscule, American guilt is maximal.
true that's why Obama got elected -- good old White Guilt. Surly it has nothing to do with his experience and ability.
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<<Doesn't matter. His country had slaves. The frontier was settled with slaves and the country and slave owners prospered because of slaves.>>
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The frontier was settled with slaves?
I never heard that before in my life. I'm not denying it, but where the hell did you find that? It does not seem very likely to me at all. Also I don't think there were enough slaves to make a rat's ass worth of difference in the overall fortunes of the country.
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<<true that's why Obama got elected -- good old White Guilt. Surly it has nothing to do with his experience and ability.>>
Obama got elected because he wasn't George Bush and because he wasn't a Republican. A fucking dog running in his place under the Democratic Party banner would have won that election against any two Republicans on earth.
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Boy, what a low bar you place Obama under
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I never heard that before in my life. I'm not denying it, but where the hell did you find that? It does not seem very likely to me at all. Also I don't think there were enough slaves to make a rat's ass worth of difference in the overall fortunes of the country.
Most of the Black Canadian slaves were of the indoor type. They went where their masters went. The rest of the slaves were aboriginals captured and indentured as the white man traveled westward.
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Basically, Canadian guilt over slavery is minuscule, American guilt is maximal.
Not true at all. If slavery was evil, and the Canadians did indeed practice it, then what they did was evil.
Scale really has no relevance except in the minds of apologists and deniers.
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<<true that's why Obama got elected -- good old White Guilt. Surly it has nothing to do with his experience and ability.>>
Obama got elected because he wasn't George Bush and because he wasn't a Republican. A fucking dog running in his place under the Democratic Party banner would have won that election against any two Republicans on earth.
In 2012 A fucking dog running in his place under the Republican (or ANY) Party banner (other than Democrat) will win that election against any two Democrats on earth.
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Most of the Black Canadian slaves were of the indoor type. They went where their masters went. The rest of the slaves were aboriginals captured and indentured as the white man traveled westward.
Actually, the biggest influx of slaves to Canada was immediately after the American Revolution when British Loyalists moved to Canada, bringing their slaves with them. Since they were promised free land as long as they developed it, they made sure that they brought enough agricultural slaves to clear and farm the land.
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I guess that there would be a dependency on the region the Loyalists emigrated from. if they were urban North easterners i doubt they would have a plethora of field slaves. Southern Loyalists most like stayed in warmer climes and emigrated to places like the West indies.
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<<Since they were promised free land as long as they developed it, they made sure that they brought enough agricultural slaves to clear and farm the land.>>
LMFAO. Nice try, Ami.
According to that theory, since Ontario (then called Upper Canada) was totally devoid of settlements prior to the American Revolution and was only settled by Loyalists after the Revolution, most of Ontario's agricultural counties should have the same high concentration of blacks as the counties of the rural South.
Never happened. Never even came close.
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Never happened. Never even came close.
As for pioneer Canada, Power writes that "slave owning was widespread among the emerging political and social elites of Upper Canada." Peter Russell, Matthew Elliot, and many other distinguished men who sat on the Legislative Council of Upper Canada each owned dozens of slaves.
Most sought to protect their "right" to own slaves by arguing that a slave was legally owned property, and the right to own property was basic to all free societies. Courts that took away legally-owned slaves, could then take away land, or homes, and tyranny would reign.
Farmers asked, Who will compensate us for our freed slaves, and the lost benefits from slave labour? Many settlers were Loyalists who came here because government had promised them cheap land on the condition they clear it. So slaves were purchased specifically for that purpose. The government had lured them. Was the government now going to ruin them?
http://www.williamgairdner.com/canadas-slave-trade/ (http://www.williamgairdner.com/canadas-slave-trade/)
Little has been said about these people of colour who were considered chattels, and accompanied Loyalists to British territory. When Rev. John Stuart planned his family?s evacuation from Schenectady, NY, to the province of Quebec in 1781, he wrote, ?my negroes, being personal property, I take with me.? One of these ?negroes? was Tom Doe, who Stuart sold to John Conyn in 1783 for $275. Later, Rev. Stuart and his household settled in Kingston. Stuart was the first Anglican clergyman in Upper Canada.
One of the largest slaveholders in Canada, and a slave-trader, was Col. Matthew Elliott. He had worked for the British as a scout and Indian agent, and eventually became a member of the Legislative Assembly of Upper Canada. With peace, Elliott acquired several thousand acres of land on the east of the Detroit River (near Malden, now Amherstburg), which he cleared using a workforce that included sixty slaves he had captured in Kentucky. Elliott had a reputation as a harsh master, and several of his slaves ran away.
http://www.ontarioheritageconnection.org/live/main.php?page=news.201002_e.html (http://www.ontarioheritageconnection.org/live/main.php?page=news.201002_e.html)
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Thanks, those were interesting articles, but they really work against your argument.
For example, a propos the quoted remark that <<Peter Russell, Matthew Elliot, and many other distinguished men who sat on the Legislative Council of Upper Canada each owned dozens of slaves.>> your second linked article says that <<Resistance from the eleven slaveholders in the twenty-five member first Parliament of Upper Canada forced Simcoe to rethink his bill.>> Eleven slaveholders, the biggest of whom own "dozens of slaves" means that the smallest of whom own 24 or less; say that half own "dozens" (24 or more) and half own fewer than "dozens" (23 or less) and pick 23.5 as a representative figure for the number of slaves owned by each of the 11 slaveholders - - 258 slaves owned by the legislators?
We're not really talking about a hell of a lot of slaves. There just aren't any Ontario counties with anything near the black population of the rural counties of the Southern States. The anecdotal evidence is highly interesting, I admit, but in reality, there just isn't any real evidence of massive slave-holding in Ontario.
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The year was 1790. Thomas Peters of Birchtown stood on the deck of a ship and watched the coast of Nova Scotia disappear in the distance. He had a mission. Peters was on his way to England with orders to contact the directors of the Sierra Leone Company and say to them: ?The Black people of Nova Scotia want to go home.?
Somewhere in their blood, their music and in a dozen half-forgotten languages, American slaves ? even illiterate, third- or fourth-generation slaves ? had always remembered Africa. They had heard about a group of well-meaning British abolitionists ? the Sierra Leone Company ? that had set up a colony for former slaves on the coast of Africa. They did not know how troubled that colony was, plagued by the resentment of local peoples, bullied by the company and situated next door to slave traders who were continuing their inhuman work. To many Canadian Blacks, Africa seemed to offer a possible future.
Peters came back from England with an invitation, but the Black community of Nova Scotia split on whether to accept it or not. In the end, a third of them decided to leave Canada. In 1791, 1,196 former slaves ? around half from Birchtown ? set sail from Halifax. Sadly, that group included most of Birchtown?s leaders, and the settlement was much weakened as a result. As for the African colonists, once again there was no happy ending.
http://agora.virtualmuseum.ca/edu/ViewLoitDa.do;jsessionid=0564D4DE0F3814202ECE6063B32A4A76?method=preview&lang=EN&id=3115 (http://agora.virtualmuseum.ca/edu/ViewLoitDa.do;jsessionid=0564D4DE0F3814202ECE6063B32A4A76?method=preview&lang=EN&id=3115)
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It's a sad story. The ugliness of slavery and racism just seems like a bottomless pit. Halifax is one of the few places in Canada with a long-standing black community, in this case, Africville, whose population goes back to the times of the article that you just posted. Canadians white-wash this shit probably more than Americans, but I think that's because of the relatively large population of U.S. blacks who won't let you get away with it. Here there's no comparable pressure to tell the historic truth and I think it's a bigger secret to Canadians than U.S. racism is to Americans.
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What became of the slaves who escaped their masters in the early 1800s ?
Wasn't there a big group of them who made their way to Canada?
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Barrington Walker, Associate Professor of History at Queens University, joins the discussion to explain that the "Underground Railroad" flowed both ways. For a short period in 1784, slavery was abolished in some Northeastern U.S. states, and black slaves were actually smuggled south of the border to escape slavery in Canada.
Sylvia Hamilton, producer of the documentary "Little Black Schoolhouse", talks about segregation, revealing that the last segregated school in Ontario still existed until 1964, while one was still maintained in Nova Scotia until 1983. She also discusses Viola Desmond, a Nova Scotia businesswoman who was jailed and fined in 1946, for sitting in the white section of a movie theatre. Desmond is largely regarded as "Canada?s Rosa Parks".
The show concludes with George Elliott Clarke, a Nova Scotian African Canadian author and historian. Among other facts Clarke discloses that many African Canadians actually returned to the U.S., after the Civil War ended in 1865, because their treatment in Canada was so deplorable. He warns that keeping Black History hidden allowed Canada to repeat human rights violations, including the Japanese internment during the Second World War and the Chinese Head Tax.
More at this link (http://citizenshift.org/slavery-segregation-shocking-secrets-canada-s-hidden-history-revealed)
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Segregated schools up until 1983?
Geez
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<<She also discusses Viola Desmond, a Nova Scotia businesswoman who was jailed and fined in 1946, for sitting in the white section of a movie theatre. Desmond is largely regarded as “Canada’s Rosa Parks”.>>
She may well be Canada's Rosa Parks, but I'll bet that the ratio of Rosa Parks' name recognition to Viola Desmond's in Canada is at least a hundred to one. I do recall reading about her, though not by name, in several articles relating to Africville and racism in Nova Scotia.
As depressing as it may be to consider what Canadians are guilty of in racial matters, I still don't think that Canada can come close to the U.S. in terms of lynch-mob violence and the horrors of racism generally and the low percentage of blacks in the population prior to the postwar Caribbean immigration demonstrates that there was far less slavery here than in the U.S.
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Among other facts Clarke discloses that many African Canadians actually returned to the U.S., after the Civil War ended in 1865, because their treatment in Canada was so deplorable.
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I would guess that the weather in Nova Scotia might also have seemed a bit deplorable to someone who grew up in Alabama as well.