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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2010, 10:29:32 AM »
Do you see any parallels between the dream act and the 14th amendment except that the party roles are reversed?

I am not sure I am following you, but I sure hope you are not equating the horrible
crimes the slaves had to endure with some program rewarding the consequences of
lawbreaking parents. They should get in line behind everyone else waiting and wait
their turn.
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2010, 12:12:05 PM »
One of the arguments i have heard against the dream act is that it will allow for an entire stream of voters for the dems. The 14th proposed a solid block of black voters for the GOP that lasted well into FDR's second term. And the ratio wasn't overwhelmingly for the dems until Truman integrated the armed services.


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« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2010, 12:16:25 PM »
You are the one bitching about how the abolition of slavery and the enfranchisement of former slaves was illegal and immoral, and how the XIV Amendment was passed unconstitutionally.

The Southern states seceded, appropriated US government property and then attacked the North. Why should the North have shown them any respect? The Civil War proved that states cannot do any of those things.

Once they start shooting, the Constitution becomes irrelevant. Perhaps they should have taken it to the Supreme Court when they had the chance.
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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2010, 08:45:04 PM »
What is the jurisdiction of Indian tribes?

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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2010, 10:42:11 PM »
What is the jurisdiction of Indian tribes?

At the time of the 14th they were sovereign nations. I'm not sure what the territorial status is now. Maybe like an embassy? Must be somehow different, because of the casinos.

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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2010, 01:01:16 AM »
What is the jurisdiction of Indian tribes?

At the time of the 14th they were sovereign nations. I'm not sure what the territorial status is now. Maybe like an embassy? Must be somehow different, because of the casinos.


Does that produce an exception?

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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2010, 01:22:28 AM »
What is the jurisdiction of Indian tribes?

At the time of the 14th they were sovereign nations. I'm not sure what the territorial status is now. Maybe like an embassy? Must be somehow different, because of the casinos.


Does that produce an exception?

The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, also known as the Snyder Act, was proposed by Representative Homer P. Snyder (R) of New York and granted full U.S. citizenship to America's indigenous peoples, called "Indians" in this Act. (The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees citizenship to persons born in the U.S., but only if "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"; this latter clause excludes certain indigenous peoples.) The act was signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge on June 2, 1924.

Even Native Americans who were granted citizenship rights under the 1924 Act, may not have had full citizenship and suffrage rights until 1948. According to a survey by the Department of Interior, seven states still refused to grant Indians voting rights in 1938. Discrepancies between federal and state control provided loopholes in the Act?s enforcement. States justified discrimination based on state statutes and constitutions. Three main arguments for Indian voting exclusion were Indian exemption from real estate taxes, maintenance of tribal affiliation and the mistaken notion that Indians were under guardianship, or lived on lands controlled by federal trusteeship (Peterson 121). By 1947 all states with large Indian populations, but Arizona and New Mexico, had extended voting rights to Native Americans that qualified under the 1924 Act. Finally, in 1948 these states withdrew their prohibition on Indian voting because of a judicial decision (Bruyneel).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act_of_1924

Re: Casinos

In the very early 1970s, Russell and Helen Bryan, a married Chippewa couple living in a mobile home on Indian lands in northern Minnesota, received a property tax bill from the local county, Itasca County.[1] The Bryans had never received a property tax bill from the county before. Not certain what to do, but unwilling to pay it, they took the tax notice to local legal aid attorneys at Leech Lake Legal Services, who brought suit to challenge the tax in the state courts. The Bryans lost their case in the state district court, and they lost again on appeal in a unanimous decision by the Minnesota Supreme Court. Their last chance was to seek review in the United States Supreme Court. The Supreme Court granted review, and in a sweeping and unanimous decision authored by Justice Brennan, the Supreme Court held not only that states do not have authority to tax Indians on Indian reservations, but that they also lack the authority to regulate Indian activities by Indians on Indian reservations.[1] As Gaming Law Professor Kevin K. Washburn has explained, the stage was now set for Indian gaming. Within a few short years, enterprising Indians and tribes began to operate Indian bingo operations in numerous different locations around the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_gaming_enterprises


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Re: as long as european babies get deported I`m ok with it
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2010, 10:09:41 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2010, 11:14:31 AM »
I`m pretty sure they can do everything like a foriegn country except break federal laws. people say this means they get more rights than a average american and thats probly true. Which is a interesting matter since they don`t really have the better life than americans.

could be a good topic on the subject of people getting more rights than the general population.

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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2010, 01:31:41 PM »
Which is a interesting matter since they don`t really have the better life than Americans.
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Rights do not equate to better living conditions or money.

In nearly every way imaginable, Indians got the dirty end of the stick in this country.

I don't think I will begrudge them the right to build casinos and tobacco stores and bilk the more dense of the non-Indian population.
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« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2010, 08:50:23 PM »
Re Planes picture: Those look like eagle feathers in the headdresses. Wow. You won't find a headdress like that today.


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« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2010, 11:49:10 PM »
Wow. You won't find a headdress like that today.

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Perhaps not made of eagle feathers, but I bet you will find some really impressive Indian gear on e-bay and at other sites. Turkey and vulture feathers are as big,and can be dyed.
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2010, 01:44:58 AM »
Wow. You won't find a headdress like that today.

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Perhaps not made of eagle feathers, but I bet you will find some really impressive Indian gear on e-bay and at other sites. Turkey and vulture feathers are as big,and can be dyed.

Turkey might be leagal , don't want to possess any raptor feather or beak or claw , federal protection.

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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2010, 02:07:14 AM »
When I was in the Boy Scouts, the Kansas City Council had a fraternal scout organization called the Tribe of Mic-O-Say. You started out as a brave,and wore a hawk's claw. Then you progressed to two eagle claws worn like this )(. Honorary members (scoutmasters and those who joined as adults wore their claws like this (). Then you got pain on the tips" firebuilder, warrior, sachem, and eventually chief. I was a Sachem, and I forget how many ranks were required to become a chief.

It was founded by H Roe Bartle, "Lone Bear", a mayon fo KC MO who was a big fan of Indian rites of passage. Because of him the KC NFL team was called the Chiefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Mic-O-Say

We were told that out eagle claws came from eagles and hawks who died of natural causes. A good set cost about $20 back in the 1950's
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2010, 06:03:17 AM »
I didn't know this till pretty recently myself.
When I read a story aboutan Indian who wanted a set of feathers and was haveing a hard time getting the proper permit .

http://digital-desert.com/wildlife/raptors/06.html

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Legal Requirements for Possessing a Raptor or Raptor Parts

Many people ask “If I find an eagle or hawk feather, can I keep it?” Unfortunately the answer is No. All raptors are protected by state and federal regulations. It is illegal to capture or kill a raptor; possess a raptor (living or dead), or any pieces or parts of raptors, including feathers, without the proper permits from state governments and the federal U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
Migratory Bird Treaty Act - 1918
Bald Eagle Act - 1940
Endangered Species Act (ESA) - 1973
Each of these laws has a separate set of regulations and permits. Depending on the species of bird you would like to possess, at least one and possibly three federal permits may be required.