Hillary's Core Constituency

[Plane]

I was referring to the Juniorbush Iraq war. the Olebush Iraq War ended with the liberation of Kuwait and the withdrawal of the allied troops.

The Second Iraq War was the entirely optional one that still has not ended.

No.
No one ever declared or accepted that as an end.
Saddam never quit shooting at us , and we never stopped shooting at him.

Would you say that the wrestling match was over when one of the guys was in a headlock?

Should Bill Clinton apologize for the hundreds of Iraqis he killed in a peacetime?

[Xavier_Onassis]

It was not the same war. Juniorbush clearly had the option of not invading Iraq, and the results of his invasion made Iraq a more difficult place for Iraqis to live.

[sirs]

And yet it was Obama proclaiming that Iraq had returned to a peaceful state of affairs, completely ready to take things over for themselves, supposedly justifying our pull out.  Was he lying?......again?  How could Bush's actions make it worse, if Obama claimed it was better, but now its worse??     

[Xavier_Onassis]

It was better and then it got worse, because of the sectarian nature of Iraq.  The Iraqi Army turned out to be largely good at retreat. The traditional Iraqi Army was Sunni for generations, and the Shiites would prefer to fight for Shiite domination than for a unified Iraq.  They cannot start a campaign to retake Mosul, because most of the people in Mosul are Sunni, and they fear the Shiite militias. There are not enough Kurds to retake Mosul.

It was clear before the stupid invasion that Iraq was apt to develop into a three way split, which is why it should never have happened.

Iraq cannot be unified without force, and it cannot be American force, because the Sunnis and the Shiites oppose American intervention, the American taxpayers do not want to pay for another useless invasion, and there is no group that can has the force to unify Iraq.

The solution is like untossing a salad or unmaking a stew.

[sirs]

It wasn't just better, Obama proclaimed it was pretty much fixed, per Obama.  Sorry, you can't have it both ways, where Iraq was a complete disaster at the hands of Bush, that Obama could never fix, but also support that Obama fixed it, but now that its gotten worse,....because it's Bush's fault again??  Nope, reality doesn't work that way

So...Obama was lying again, when he said things were all better.  Glad we got that cleared up

[Xavier_Onassis]

In your warped and twisted mind, everything Obama says is a lie, and your opinion is worthless as ever.

[sirs]

Only his lies are lies.  Not to mention your opinion of my opinion is, I suppose, worth less than worthless