Race & Racism

[sirs]

How is it, that all this time, after Martin Luther King Jr's speech, we can't get passed this effort to bring race into nearly every avenue of domestic policy making??

How is it, we can't seem to see our fellow man (& woman), within a colorblind society??

How is it, that when policies that are aiding/enabling racial discrimination practices, like AA, one is branded a racist if they disagree with such a racist practice??

How is it, that when policies that empower the Government to run more and more of our lives, bankrupting our next generation of children in the process, one again is branded a racist for daring to not support such practices??

How is it, that in a nation, where we can elect a black president, that far too often, any criticism of him and his agenda, is claimed to be racist in nature??  On what gounds??

How is it, that when a black individual dares to criticize policies that perpetuate such above behavior, he's a supposed traitor to his race??.......ironically condemning him from daring to leave "the plantation" of group think

Is racist the new nazi?  Meaning, have both lost all credibility in their use, by their overt and ignorant overuse??


Inquiring minds  (or at least mine)

[Plane]

If it works someone will use it.


Right now racism is out of fashion , nobody of consequence wants to be known as a racist.

It actually works against your career if you want to be a person of consequence .


Look at the career of some of our elder statesmen includeing some deceased in recent years.

If they began their political life in the 20s 30s 40s or even 50s they were very likely to proclaim white supremacy as it was a popular idea that would draw the votes of those who agreed and especially the votes of those who worried that the supremacy of whites might be threatened.


IN the sixtys and seventys the struggle was hot but the trend was against supremisists , many who started their careers then adopted egalitarian ideals that were anti racist , some who were in power because of racist ranting, saw their future in reversing their cant.

Politicians who began their careers in the 80s, 90s till now are quite uniformly anti-racist when it becaomes possible to use racism as an accusation it is there to be used as a club on the unwary who might be caught in a slip or gaffe  , open and unrepentant white supremacy is practicly absent in the political corps.

I don't take any threat of black supremacy seriously , too many people understand it too well as a mirror of the same picture so black supremacists are pretty much as well handicapped as white supremisists are.


There is a sort of illusion to the effect that our political class are our leaders , the further back from them you step to get the fuller picture , the clearer it is that these guys are busy reading our tracks and copeing to the whim of the public.

When Racism worked , it worked because a significant portion of the public was persueded along with it.While the popular culture has turned against the notion of racial segration the political class has barely managed to keep up.

[sirs]

If it works someone will use it.  Right now racism is out of fashion , nobody of consequence wants to be known as a racist.  It actually works against your career if you want to be a person of consequence .

Is that why it's so frequently, and all too often inappropriately used/applied?  If you can label your opponent(s) racist, and as you've said, no one wants to be known as a racist, is the ignorant and innaccurate accusation effective?  Is that innaccurate allegation able to distract, or even turn the uninformed layperson/voter away from the issue at hand?

Or did you already answer that question that....if it works, someone will use it

When Racism worked , it worked because a significant portion of the public was persueded along with it.While the popular culture has turned against the notion of racial segration the political class has barely managed to keep up.

Agreed

[Plane]

When racism worked racism was used.

If they are useing accusation of racism as an attack then they must think it works.

[sirs]

Which would explain why it's continually, and ignorantly used

[Plane]

Is it ignorant if it does work?

I imagine some which hunters of the 1600s might have realised that they were not really catching whiches.

[sirs]

Is it ignorant if it does work?

In application, yes.  In effect, no

[sirs]

Ignorant idiocy, like this:

Fox News? handling of the Shirley Sherrod controversy ?was absolutely racist,? former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean charged on Sunday.

Appearing on Fox News Sunday, Dean, who's also a former Democratic National Committee chairman and hero of liberals, asserted Fox News failed to vet video footage of a speech misleadingly excerpted to make it appear that Sherrod was boasting of using her post as an Agriculture Department official to discriminate against a white farmer.

?I don?t think Newt Gingrich is a racist, and I don?t think you?re a racist,? Dean told Fox News host Chris Wallace, ?but Fox News did something that was absolutely racist. They took a ? they had an obligation to find out what was really in the clip. They had been pushing a theme of black racism with this phony Black Panther crap and this business and this Sotomayor and all this other stuff.?

When Wallace interrupted Dean to point out that Fox News did not air the excerpted Sherrod footage until after the Obama administration had fired her based on it, Dean shot back: ?It was about to go on Glenn Beck, which is what the administration was afraid of.?

And Dean mildly rebuked the Obama administration, as well, saying, ?We?ve got to stop being afraid of Glenn Beck (a Fox News host) and the racist fringe of the Republican Party. But Fox News was not blameless during this. You played it up.?

Dean dismissed Wallace?s point about timing, asserting ?you didn?t do your job,? and charging that Fox News has helped the Republican Party foster racism by focusing on allegations of reverse racism.

?The tea party called out their racist fringe and I think the Republican Party?s got to stop appealing to its racist fringe. And Fox News is what did that. You put that on,? Dean said. ?Continuing to cater to this theme of minority racism and stressing comments like this ? some of which are taken out of context ? does not help the country knit itself together.?

FOX News Senior Vice President of News Michael Clemente responded Sunday to Dean's assertions, firing back: "As we said this past week, some people, such as the failed candidate Dean, reflexively blame Fox for almost anything."


And to think, Brass really likes this fella

[Xavier_Onassis]

What the Hell do you mean by "when racism worked?" Worked to prevent capable Black people from attending the best pubic colleges? Worked to give all the choice jobs to Whites? Worked by lynching a Black man every so often to terrify the other Blacks to not get "uppity"? It worked about the same way slavery worked.

The reason it stopped "working" was that Americans had seen what Racial supremacy lead it in Germany,  and decided that it was unjust. No one carried racism to extremes like the Nazis. The Klan was also anti-semitic and anti-Catholic, so that meant that there were lots of people who opposed it.

[sirs]

We're talking about current events Xo.  Please try to keep up

[Xavier_Onassis]

Plane said "When racism worked, it was used."


PAST TENSE. You keep up, jackass. I have not promised to address only issues in your twisted mind, nor will I.

I propose that it never worked: it limited society to the leadership of a few who were none too bright.

[sirs]

Ooo, love the effort to keep things civil, Xo.  Your a shining example for others.  When you decide to return to the topic at hand, please do.  Your contributions are indeed exemplary

[Xavier_Onassis]

I sm perfectly willing to discuss topics in a civil manner. If you insist on making asshole remarks, then I will let you know.

[sirs]

I sm perfectly willing to discuss topics in a civil manner.

Yea, we noticed

If you insist on making asshole remarks, then I will let you know.

Please reference the remarks being made by me that were equally egregious to "asshole" and "jackass".  Your silence will help reinforce my point, as will your lack of any such example, including that of yet another uncivil rant, if its to come.  Your prior rant was aimed at a response impressing upon you that the questions posed were current, and not related to the 50's or 60's.  Back then, as plane referenced, Racism was a major problem, and thanks largely to the GOP, helped get passed the Civil Rights legislation in the 60's

Plane was merely providing a point of reference.  The questions he was responding to, however, are related to current events, so your harping on them in the past tense is moot, since everyone already acknowledges how bad racism was in the early part of this country

[Plane]

From the 13 th admendment to the civil rights acts of the early sixtys , every advance in the enfranchisement of American citizens was a Republican victory.

But in the middle sixtys when the Democrats abandoned racism as an idea that no longer paid , the Republicans completely reversed themselves?


Why does anyone beleive this?