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sirs

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To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« on: November 18, 2010, 11:38:49 AM »
....because if he were posting, you know he'd be railing against how a racist America turned on Obama

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Hey, Michael Moore! Clinton lost the 'white vote,' too

"White America does not like having a black president."

Thus pronounced Michael Moore in an appearance on "Real Time with Bill Maher." And Maher agreed, "That is the truth."

"The statistics don't lie," Moore plowed ahead. "I'm not talking about polls. I'm talking about that the young people in '08 was the only ? do you know this? ? it's the only demographic ? white demographic ? that Obama won, 18- to 29-year-olds. Every other demographic, over 29, Obama lost the white vote. Every single one."

Crime solved. Case closed. Book 'em, Danno. Except for one minor detail: No Democratic presidential candidate has won the "white vote" since 1964.

Add Obama's name to a long list of white Democrats who lost that demographic: Humphrey in 1968; McGovern in 1972; Carter in 1976 and 1980; Mondale in 1984; Dukakis in 1988; Clinton in 1992 and 1996; Gore in 2000.

In fact, white voters preferred Obama to Sen. John Kerry ? who lost the white vote by 17 points in 2004, while Obama lost it in 2008 by "only" 12 points. Obama improved on Kerry's share of the white vote in every age demographic, including the 18- to 29-year-olds (which Kerry lost).

Did "white America" temporarily forget Obama's skin color, only to remember just in time for the midterm elections? This, perhaps, explains why Obama's approval rating, post-election, shot up to over 70 percent before coming down.

Obama's approval rating now stands at the low- to mid-40s. So, presumably, "white America" reverted back to its historical racism. But how does Moore explain whites like Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, with an approval rating at less than 30 percent, and Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid at 25 percent?

If "white America" dislikes having a black president, why does "white America" ? in the South, no less ? tolerate a black congressperson?
 
Allen West, a black Republican former lieutenant colonel, won Florida's 22nd Congressional District. Its racial demographics are 82.3 percent white, 3.8 percent black, 1.7 percent Asian, 10.7 percent Hispanic, 0.1 percent Native American and 0.2 percent other.

Tim Scott, a black Republican candidate, won South Carolina's 1st Congressional District. Its racial demographics are 74.8 percent white, 21.1 percent black, 1.3 percent Asian, 2.5 percent Hispanic, 0.4 percent Native American and 0.2 percent other.

Worse, Scott was backed by what the NAACP calls the "racist" tea party! The civil-rights organization commissioned a study that purported to unmask the tea party's racism. But NAACP CEO Ben Jealous encountered unexpected skepticism when he appeared on Anderson Cooper's CNN show.

Cooper asked why the NAACP selected a "clearly left-wing group ? which is opposed to the tea party" ? to conduct the study. He said the report "does seem to use a lot of innuendo and a lot of guilt by association." Cooper played a montage of video clips showing prominent Democrats ? from the president on down ? campaigning with the mantra that it's time to "take our country back!" "Why is it when Democrats say 'take our country back,'" said Cooper, "no one says that's extreme nationalism, but when tea-party supporters say it, it's ominous and racism in disguise?" Jealous stammered, stumbled and fumbled. Painful to watch.

Actor/producer/director Rob Reiner says the Tim Scott-supporting tea party is not merely racist. It is also fascist. In an appearance on Bill Maher's show, Reiner worried whether a Hitler-like charismatic leader might emerge to lead the party:

Reiner: You never get into a political discussion unless you bring the word Hitler in. You have to have Hitler, so let's put Hitler out there. Here's Hitler, OK? You have bad economic times, right? Hitler, by the way, never got more than 33 percent of the vote ever in Germany. You have bad economic times ?

Maher: Well, he only had that one election, let's be honest. ... There was no 1937 election.

Reiner: He wasn't a majority guy, but he was charismatic, and they were having bad economic times, just like we are now. People were out of work. They needed jobs, and a guy came along and rallied the troops. My fear is that the tea party gets a charismatic leader, because all they're selling is fear and anger, and that's all Hitler sold.
Not a "majority guy"? President Bill Clinton not only twice lost the white vote but also, like Hitler, never won the majority of the electorate ? 43 percent in 1992 and 49 percent in 1996. And the point is? Well, there is no point ? at least none one might call coherent.

A 2008 Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll asked likely voters whether they would refuse to vote for a black presidential candidate. Only 4 percent said yes ? a smaller number than would refuse to vote for a woman or a Mormon.

It's not about race. The reality is simple, if less comforting to Mr. Moore. "White America" does not even like voting for a white president ? if he is a Democrat.


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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 04:28:28 PM »
Sometimes it IS about race and other times it is not.

How clever of you to make up Tee so you can knock him down like a straw man.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 04:38:32 PM »
Not at all.  His reputation precedes him, having referenced how racist america still supposedly is.  Just itching to start up the lynching as soon as the right republican is selected by SCOTUS

The strawman here is the idea that the Nov elections were racist.  But cudos to you trying to defend the indefensible
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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 04:45:17 PM »
Obama did not run in the last election. Moore's statement was a strawman, and so was the response.

Tee hasn't visited in 45 days.

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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 04:49:37 PM »
Yes, no, and irelevent
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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 05:07:05 PM »
yes bringing up Tee was irrelevant. Actually petty is the better word.


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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 05:32:04 PM »
Your opinion is duely noted
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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 02:19:28 PM »
And yours is as asinine as ever.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 03:06:41 PM »
said the pot
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 08:17:36 PM »
I miss MT too.

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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2010, 08:41:59 PM »
i'll let him know

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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 08:46:07 PM »
MT's posts were interesting to read. He was original and logical: if you accepted his premises, then you ended up with his conclusions. I did not agree with his premises much of the time. I think that Marx was dead-on about how capitalism functions in many ways, but he was pretty much wrong about the solutions, especially Stalin's solutions.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2010, 09:22:35 PM »
MT's posts were interesting to read. He was original and logical: if you accepted his premises, then you ended up with his conclusions. I did not agree with his premises much of the time. I think that Marx was dead-on about how capitalism functions in many ways, but he was pretty much wrong about the solutions, especially Stalin's solutions.



Either way it was a different voice, and we need those.


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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2010, 10:33:14 PM »
I agree with that 100%
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Re: To Address Tee's complaints on the Nov elections
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2010, 12:30:47 PM »
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I miss them too.  Even you, BT.

I don't feel much like posting any more.  Not sure why, but it was getting depressing.  I wasn't happy with my own posts, I felt they were just becoming reactive boiler-plate.  You bad, me good. My natural anti-American bias was becoming a caricature of itself. Lots of other stuff in my life right now, none of it good.  You can pass this on if you like, I hope you will.  To all the guys who conducted themselves with courtesy, nine times out of ten, even when you disagreed 110% with everything I said, thanks.  To the ever-courteous plane, special thanks. 

Best wishes for a Merry Christmas for all those who celebrate Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

Michael Tee