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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2011, 07:53:10 PM »
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Yea, they were both transparently, political events

How so?

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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #91 on: January 16, 2011, 07:55:48 PM »
LOL....well since the AZ memorial was already addressed on the how so, the Bush speech was his effort to demonstrate that the the political decision to go in and take out Saddam, had been accomplished.  Not sure how that couldn't have been anything OTHER than a political event
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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2011, 09:00:51 PM »
LOL....well since the AZ memorial was already addressed on the how so, the Bush speech was his effort to demonstrate that the the political decision to go in and take out Saddam, had been accomplished.  Not sure how that couldn't have been anything OTHER than a political event

Actually you haven't established that the Arizona Memorial was a political event. all you did was establish that you perceived it as such.

So how was Bush's welcoming home the carrier a political event? Isn't that what Presidents do? Seems he had parents of Iraqi Fallen to the WH was that political also?
Was it planned as such?

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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2011, 09:14:37 PM »
I would say at the very least "unusual" for a memorial service for the victims of a violent tragedy.







Applause? at a memorial for victims?
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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2011, 09:25:32 PM »
Closed Captioning is unusual at large events?

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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #95 on: January 16, 2011, 10:09:42 PM »
Closed Captioning is unusual at large events?

No but I would think applause would be unsual at a memorial for victims of a violent tragedy.

Also I have not yet been able to verify, but it looks like the pep rally "Together We Thrive"
t-shirts given out at this memorial have printed at the bottom "Rocking America and Rocking the Vote"
which is a common theme of the DNC.
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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2011, 10:27:22 PM »
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No but I would think applause would be unsual at a memorial for victims of a violent tragedy.

Oh OK . So the jumbotron picture with the closed captioning is verification that attendees of the memorial applauded portions of Obama's speech.

I don't think that ever was in question or dispute. I heard it when i watched the speech. Did Brewer get any applause, i can't remember.





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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2011, 03:53:07 AM »
LOL....well since the AZ memorial was already addressed on the how so, the Bush speech was his effort to demonstrate that the the political decision to go in and take out Saddam, had been accomplished.  Not sure how that couldn't have been anything OTHER than a political event

Actually you haven't established that the Arizona Memorial was a political event. all you did was establish that you perceived it as such.

Actually I have.  Your decision to ignore it, is yours



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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2011, 04:03:37 AM »
"GRACE AND BEAUTY IN EVERY SEASON":

President Honors Coretta Scott King at Homegoing Celebration (President George W. Bush, New Birth Missionary Church, Atlanta, Georgia, 2/07/06)

    To the King Family, distinguished guests and fellow citizens. We gather in God's house, in God's presence, to honor God's servant, Coretta Scott King. Her journey was long, and only briefly with a hand to hold. But now she leans on everlasting arms. I've come today to offer the sympathy of our entire nation at the passing of a woman who worked to make our nation whole.

    Americans knew her husband only as a young man. We knew Mrs. King in all the seasons of her life -- and there was grace and beauty in every season. As a great movement of history took shape, her dignity was a daily rebuke to the pettiness and cruelty of segregation. When she wore a veil at 40 years old, her dignity revealed the deepest trust in God and His purposes. In decades of prominence, her dignity drew others to the unfinished work of justice. In all her years, Coretta Scott King showed that a person of conviction and strength could also be a beautiful soul. This kind and gentle woman became one of the most admired Americans of our time. She is rightly mourned, and she is deeply missed.

    Some here today knew her as a girl, and saw something very special long before a young preacher proposed. She once said, "Before I was a King, I was a Scott." And the Scotts were strong, and righteous, and brave in the face of wrong. Coretta eventually took on the duties of a pastor's wife, and a calling that reached far beyond the doors of the Dexter Avenue Baptist Church.

    In that calling, Dr. King's family was subjected to vicious words, threatening calls in the night, and a bombing at their house. Coretta had every right to count the cost, and step back from the struggle. But she decided that her children needed more than a safe home -- they needed an America that upheld their equality, and wrote their rights into law. (Applause.) And because this young mother and father were not intimidated, millions of children they would never meet are now living in a better, more welcoming country. (Applause.)

    In the critical hours of the civil rights movement, there were always men and women of conscience at the heart of the drama. They knew that old hatreds ran deep. They knew that nonviolence might be answered with violence. They knew that much established authority was against them. Yet they also knew that sheriffs and mayors and governors were not ultimately in control of events; that a greater authority was interested, and very much in charge. (Applause.)

    The God of Moses was not neutral about their captivity. The God of Isaiah and the prophets was still impatient with injustice. And they knew that the Son of God would never leave them or forsake them.

    But some had to leave before their time -- and Dr. King left behind a grieving widow and little children. Rarely has so much been asked of a pastor's wife, and rarely has so much been taken away. Years later, Mrs. King recalled, "I would wake up in the morning, have my cry, then go in to them. The children saw me going forward." Martin Luther King, Jr. had preached that unmerited suffering could have redemptive power.

    Little did he know that this great truth would be proven in the life of the person he loved the most. Others could cause her sorrow, but no one could make her bitter. By going forward with a strong and forgiving heart, Coretta Scott King not only secured her husband's legacy, she built her own. (Applause.) Having loved a leader, she became a leader. And when she spoke, America listened closely, because her voice carried the wisdom and goodness of a life well lived.

    In that life, Coretta Scott King knew danger. She knew injustice. She knew sudden and terrible grief. She also knew that her Redeemer lives. She trusted in the name above every name. And today we trust that our sister Coretta is on the other shore -- at peace, at rest, at home. (Applause.) May God bless you, and may God bless our country.

Damn Politicians. Politicizing memorials.

http://brothersjuddblog.com/archives/2011/01/grace_and_beaut.html

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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2011, 05:29:24 AM »
And the t-shirts were located......where again?  And by all means, show us the video where the all those (ooow wait, Bt's going to take that literally, and find 1 person who was perfectly calm), the vast majority of those in attendance, were hooting and hollering like it was their last kegger before summer break

You must have missed the part where I never said it wasn't a good thing for Presidents to not speak at memorials.
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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #100 on: January 17, 2011, 10:22:17 AM »
You must have missed the part where I never said it wasn't a good thing for Presidents to not speak at memorials.

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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #101 on: January 17, 2011, 01:24:35 PM »
Really
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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #102 on: January 17, 2011, 02:06:08 PM »
And the t-shirts were located......where again?  And by all means, show us the video where the all those (ooow wait, Bt's going to take that literally, and find 1 person who was perfectly calm), the vast majority of those in attendance, were hooting and hollering like it was their last kegger before summer break

You must have missed the part where I never said it wasn't a good thing for Presidents to not speak at memorials.

As far as I know, the T shirts were provided by the University.

And the crowd was free to respond as they wished.

You want this to be a political event at the behest of Obama, because that is what you want it to be, and your fear of being wrong is more powerful than your desire to be right.

Let me know when you have something a little more concrete than what you are pushing.


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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #103 on: January 17, 2011, 02:11:05 PM »
Long after it was posted that the choice of t-shirts was the University's choice some people in here are still trying to equate them to the White House, and a political agenda.   Even whacko, fruit loop, nut-job, Glenn Beck said that Obama did a good, non-political job at the Memorial.

I guess having a few brain dead people around serves a debate forum in some way or another, but I'm not sure how?


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Re: Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"
« Reply #104 on: January 17, 2011, 02:27:39 PM »
And the t-shirts were located......where again?  And by all means, show us the video where the all those (ooow wait, Bt's going to take that literally, and find 1 person who was perfectly calm), the vast majority of those in attendance, were hooting and hollering like it was their last kegger before summer break

You must have missed the part where I never said it wasn't a good thing for Presidents to not speak at memorials.


As far as I know, the T shirts were provided by the University.  And the crowd was free to respond as they wished.

You want this to be a political event at the behest of Obama, because that is what you want it to be, and your fear of being wrong is more powerful than your desire to be right.

Let me know when you have something a little more concrete than what you are pushing.


Been there done that.  I don't have to want anything, it was.  You don't want to be a political event because sirs says it was, and your fear of sirs being right, is more powerful than your desire to be right.

The event was a "spectacle"  Everyone saw it, everyone heard it.  It had traces of a memorial, but Obama's actions, or lack there of, demonstrated what it really was.  Obama had the absolute ability to steer the crowd in the appropriate direction, had he wanted to.  But next time you go to one, where they're handing out banners, or baseball caps, or t-shirts, please take some photos.  I'd love to see that have done at least twice


Long after it was posted that the choice of t-shirts was the University's choice some people in here are still trying to equate them to the White House, and a political agenda.
 

1 wrong, 1 right.  At least batting 500 is better than striking out every time


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