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Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« on: May 04, 2011, 08:48:24 AM »

04/29/2011 01:27 PM

Putting a Price on Foreigners
Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'

By Anna Reimann

Denmark's strict immigration laws have saved the country 6.7 billion euros, a government report has claimed. Even though Denmark already has some of the toughest immigration laws in Europe, right-wing populist politicians are now trying to make them even more restrictive.

Denmark's strict immigration laws have saved the country billions in benefits, a government report has claimed. The Integration Ministry report has now led to calls among right-wing populists to clamp down further on immigrants to increase the savings.

The extremely strict laws have dramatically reduced the flow of people into Denmark in recent years, and many government figures are delighted with the outcome. "Now that we can see that it does matter who comes into the country, I have no scruples in further restricting those who one can suspect will be a burden on Denmark," the center-right liberal integration minister, S?ren Pind, told the Jyllands Posten newspaper.

Pind was talking after the ministry's report -- initiated by the right-wing populist Danish People's Party (DPP) -- came to the conclusion that by tightening immigration laws, Denmark has saved ?6.7 billion ($10 billion) over the last 10 years, money which otherwise would supposedly have been spent on social benefits or housing. According to the figures, migrants from non-Western countries who did manage to come to Denmark have cost the state ?2.3 billion, while those from the West have actually contributed ?295 million to government coffers.

'Restrictions Pay Off'

The report has led to jubilation among right-wing politicians: "We now have it in black and white that restrictions (on immigrants) pay off," said DPP finance spokesman Kristian Thulesen Dahl. The DPP will almost certainly exploit the figures in future negotiations over the Danish economy.

But the report has sparked outrage from opposition parties like the centrist Social Liberal Party, which dismissed it as undignified and discriminatory. The party's integration spokeswoman, Marianne Jelved, said: "A certain group of people is being denounced and being blamed for our deficit, being made into whipping boys." She added: "We cannot classify people depending on their value to the economy. That is degrading in a democracy that has a basic value of equality."

Still, the announcement has not come as surprise. The right-wing populist DPP, which has been working with the ruling center-right coalition government of Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen since 2001, has in the past made its aims very clear: a complete halt to immigration into Denmark from non-Western countries. "A Somali who is no good for anything, that is simply not acceptable," said DPP leader Pia Kj?rsgaard. Similarly, center-right liberal Prime Minister Rasmussen has also said anyone who would be a burden on Denmark is not welcome in the country.

Right-wing populists have even demanded a ban on satellite dishes so that TV stations like al-Jazeera and Al Arabiya cannot be beamed into Danish living rooms. There have also been suggestions to exempt migrants from the minimum wage -- supposedly to make it easier for foreigners to gain access to the labor market.

The small Scandinavian country already has the strictest immigration and asylum laws in Europe. For example, foreign couples are only allowed to marry if both partners are at least 24 years old. The number of asylum seekers and relatives of immigrants seeking entry into Denmark dropped by more than two-thirds within nine years as a result of the tough laws.

A Decisive Issue in Denmark

But things may soon get pushed even further. Elections are due to be held this fall, and the ruling parties apparently want to put forward even stricter rules, driven by the xenophobic rhetoric of the right-wing populists. In polls, the approval ratings of more liberal politicians have fallen, and the opposition center-left Social Democrats have promised not to change current immigration laws if they win the election. Immigration will always be a big issue in Denmark -- almost 10 percent of Denmark's 5.5 million people are migrants -- and the issue was a decisive one in the last election, in 2007.

In November, the government agreed to stricter laws and made the entry of immigrants' spouses more difficult. Only those who collect enough "points" may come to Denmark in the future -- with points being determined by factors such as academic qualifications and proof of language proficiency. In addition, the equivalent of ?13,000 must be deposited with the state in the form of a bank guarantee to cover any future public assistance. Socially deprived areas with a disproportionately high number of immigrants will be subject in future to a so-called "ghetto strategy" designed to prevent high concentrations of foreigners in public housing areas. Migrants will be assigned housing, and three-year-old children who do not speak Danish well enough will be required to attend state child care.

Some immigrants have already turned their back on Denmark voluntarily. Increasing numbers of Somalis are moving away, especially to the UK, the Jyllands Posten reported on Thursday, because of discrimination.


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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2011, 04:38:58 PM »
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We cannot classify people depending on their value to the economy.

lol

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2011, 08:25:58 PM »
can`t marry til 24

got no problem with that being done here

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 10:24:06 PM »
can`t marry til 24

got no problem with that being done here

are you saying that you want to restrict adult that want to marry to minimum 24 years of age?

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 11:58:58 PM »
yep

if marraige is so important why rush into it? at 24 both people involved will have much of thier lives worked out so the marraige will have less complications. less debt and a hawaiian honeymoon instead of a weekend at the ranada motel.

people who married young and had great lives never mention it works for everybody. I kinda doubt the odds are good.

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2011, 12:31:52 AM »
Teenage marriages are not noted for being successful. I don't know that they should be outlawed, but there are a lot of people who should not marry young and some who should not marry at all. Too bad they can't teach about this in school, but they don't.
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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2011, 12:45:45 AM »
Teenage marriages are not noted for being successful

but you`ll always find some grand parent who said it works for them, makes one think the one who got married are trying to drag the rest of us into this misery.

I was married and still want to do it again. but refuse to sugarcoat it. it`s tough.

finding the perfect one is ateeny tiny bit hard to do.

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2011, 11:41:28 AM »
You know how the song goes...

"They say for every boy and girl, there's just one love in this whole world"

and what are the odds of actually finding that person?  one in three billion?


"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2011, 11:53:31 AM »
Teenage marriages are not noted for being successful.

Most marriages in developed countries aren't successful are they?
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2011, 12:41:49 PM »
If by "most" you mean more than half, and by "success" you mean that they do not get divorced, then this is probably accurate. 
I do not think that developed countries have fewer "successful" marriages than underdeveloped ones. Russia has a very high percentage of divorces, mostly due to alcoholism of the husbands. Arranged marriages in places like Bangladesh and India are probably a lot more successful that unarranged ones in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.

A country can statistically improve the "success" rate by making divorce illegal. But I don't think that this is actually valid.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 02:28:37 PM »
A country can statistically improve the "success" rate by making divorce illegal. But I don't think that this is actually valid.

actually thats how it`s done

when ireland had divorces it got used big time. annulment by the church simply not reliable . it takes 5 years separation to get a divorce. it takes a bunch of guys to approve it to go to one man to decide for an annulment. divorce is the easier route.

remove the option to get out of a marraige is pretty much why marraige works in the world.

in fact marraige is a global cultural requirement. it really is a non-paying job to sustain the family unit and still I want do it again.

I`m living proof the institution  marraige needs to no protection and still going on strong. if anything it should be taken down a peg for the sake of the children. divorce is damaging to children and the answer is not stopping divorce but fix the parents.
I`ve seen alot of emotional poison when couples go wrong. let me gets this straight parent don`t sudden love each other if their stuck with each other .

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 04:07:54 PM »
Making divorce illegal does not make people live together happily, as you say.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Strict Immigration Laws 'Save Denmark Billions'
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 04:29:28 PM »
I can`t even describe how nasty and toxic a relationship can get.

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 04:47:09 PM »
The basic problem is that human beings, at least not all of them, are not really designed to stay with the same mate through a lifetime. And of course, there is a vast difference if said human beings live to be 90 years old rather than 40. It is rather easy for priests who never marry and meet many more couples who claim to be monogamous than those who have several mates to idealize the situation and say that the basic divine design is monogamy without exception.

How does the poem go?

Hogamous, higamous,
Men are polygamous;

Higamous hogamous,
Women monagamous.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2011, 05:04:14 PM »
truefully I don`t see many issues on cheating. alot of it is tied to economics. some couples want more children but  one spouse don`t want the other to work more to compensate the offset.

lets just say some folks don`t under the value of the dollar.

one common pattern is that belief that marriage is a license to call the other a loser everywhere. I love the answer is "but it`s true"

these are not the cause of breakup.but factors that piles up to something very ugly in the future.

I know 6 year old children with adult size stress. I never wanted know that existed. this shakes me