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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2011, 01:12:59 AM »
BT: "How would the world be different if we got Bin Laden then?

How is it different if we got Bin Laden now?"

Well, I'm responding to all the nonsense by CU4, aka Mr. Debeka File. That doesn't have anything to do with how it would be different.............

But, generally you can't get into how it would be different theories. Suppose Bush got Bin Laden at Tora Bora. Suppose when he heard the news he choked on a pretzel and died. Suppose president Cheney invaded Iraq, Iran, Saudi, and Poland. Suppose..........

The facts are, though, that Obama did not pass on the chance to get Bin Laden, and Bush did.

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2011, 01:14:45 AM »
So did Clinton.  I guess we need to execute him, and throw him over the side of a naval vessel
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2011, 01:27:12 AM »
BT: "How would the world be different if we got Bin Laden then?

How is it different if we got Bin Laden now?"

Well, I'm responding to all the nonsense by CU4, aka Mr. Debeka File. That doesn't have anything to do with how it would be different.............

But, generally you can't get into how it would be different theories. Suppose Bush got Bin Laden at Tora Bora. Suppose when he heard the news he choked on a pretzel and died. Suppose president Cheney invaded Iraq, Iran, Saudi, and Poland. Suppose..........

The facts are, though, that Obama did not pass on the chance to get Bin Laden, and Bush did.

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If he got him, he deserves an attaboy.

And on our way out of Afghanistan i hope we do the same to Karzai, corrupt bastard that he is.



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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2011, 01:42:44 AM »
So you think Biun Laden closed the deal on a Paki Nuke and that will be the grand finale?

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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2011, 02:23:08 AM »
"So you think Biun Laden closed the deal on a Paki Nuke and that will be the grand finale?"

Frightening thought. Talk about what now? That's why we have to continue to suck up to those assholes.

My brother in law was an officer in the SEALS. His expertise was disarming nuclear weapons. I should ask him how difficult it would be to sneak a Nuke in here. He's still pretty closed mouth about that kind of thing. He was in during the Cuban missile crisis and to this day he won't say anything to me or my sister about what he was doing. They were stationed in Florida at the time, so I know he was doing whatever the SEALS were doing off, around, and maybe on, Cuba.



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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2011, 02:54:46 AM »
Forgive me if I accept the words of General Tommy Franks
over John "Throw Away US Medals" Fraud Kerry.

General Tommy Franks:
"We don't know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001.
Some intelligence sources said he was; others indicated he was in Pakistan at the time...
Tora Bora was teeming with Taliban and Qaeda operatives ... but Mr. bin Laden was never within our grasp"



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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2011, 05:39:12 AM »
CU4, give it up man. You don't know a thing about this kind of stuff. You don't even know what you're reading most of the time. Kerry isn't supplying the information. He's receiving it. Gen Franks was just protecting Bush's, his own, and Rummy's, ass. That couldn't be more obvious. Further, Franks retired in disgrace.  He ran out of Iraq because..............oh well...........you're way too uniformed to bother with. You should get into politics. You've got political hack written all over you.

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Plane, I need your God for a minute. The Buddha doesn't listen to this kind of stuff.

Dear God, why do these people enjoy being so ill-informed?

 

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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2011, 09:15:31 AM »
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Plane, I need your God for a minute. The Buddha doesn't listen to this kind of stuff.

Dear God, why do these people enjoy being so ill-informed?

    My God says he loves you and can support you in any ordeal with the gift of strength and grace.

    Buddah says you can choose how much to care about what somebody says .

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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2011, 10:17:35 AM »
CU4, give it up man. You don't know a thing about this kind of stuff.

Yeah sure BSb...General Tommy Franks, former commander in chief of the
Central Command is a worthless source, but John Kerry is a great source!
Dear God General Franks why are you soooo ill-informed!  ;D



War of Words

By TOMMY FRANKS

October 19, 2004


President Bush and Senator John Kerry have very different views of the war on terrorism, and those differences ought to be debated in this presidential campaign. But the debate should focus on facts, not distortions of history.

On more than one occasion, Senator Kerry has referred to the fight at Tora Bora in Afghanistan during late 2001 as a missed opportunity for America. He claims that our forces had Osama bin Laden cornered and allowed him to escape. How did it happen? According to Mr. Kerry, we "outsourced" the job to Afghan warlords. As commander of the allied forces in the Middle East, I was responsible for the operation at Tora Bora, and I can tell you that the senator's understanding of events doesn't square with reality.

First, take Mr. Kerry's contention that we "had an opportunity to capture or kill Osama bin Laden" and that "we had him surrounded." We don't know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001. Some intelligence sources said he was; others indicated he was in Pakistan at the time; still others suggested he was in Kashmir. Tora Bora was teeming with Taliban and Qaeda operatives, many of whom were killed or captured, but Mr. bin Laden was never within our grasp.

Second, we did not "outsource" military action. We did rely heavily on Afghans because they knew Tora Bora, a mountainous, geographically difficult region on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is where Afghan mujahedeen holed up for years, keeping alive their resistance to the Soviet Union. Killing and capturing Taliban and Qaeda fighters was best done by the Afghan fighters who already knew the caves and tunnels.

Third, the Afghans weren't left to do the job alone. Special forces from the United States and several other countries were there, providing tactical leadership and calling in air strikes. Pakistani troops also provided significant help - as many as 100,000 sealed the border and rounded up hundreds of Qaeda and Taliban fighters.

Contrary to Senator Kerry, President Bush never "took his eye off the ball" when it came to Osama bin Laden. The war on terrorism has a global focus. It cannot be divided into separate and unrelated wars, one in Afghanistan and another in Iraq. Both are part of the same effort to capture and kill terrorists before they are able to strike America again, potentially with weapons of mass destruction. Terrorist cells are operating in some 60 countries, and the United States, in coordination with dozens of allies, is waging this war on many fronts.

As we planned for potential military action in Iraq and conducted counterterrorist operations in several other countries in the region, Afghanistan remained a center of focus. Neither attention nor manpower was diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. When we started Operation Iraqi Freedom we had about 9,500 troops in Afghanistan, and by the time we finished major combat operations in Iraq last May we had more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan.

We are committed to winning this war on all fronts, and we are making impressive gains. Afghanistan has held the first free elections in its history. Iraq is led by a free government made up of its own citizens. By the end of this year, NATO and American forces will have trained 125,000 Iraqis to enforce the law, fight insurgents and secure the borders. This is in addition to the great humanitarian progress already achieved in Iraq.

Many hurdles remain, of course. But the gravest danger would result from the withdrawal of American troops before we finish our work. Today we are asking our servicemen and women to do more, in more places, than we have in decades. They deserve honest, consistent, no-spin leadership that respects them, their families and their sacrifices. The war against terrorism is the right war at the right time for the right reasons. And Iraq is one of the places that war must be fought and won. George W. Bush has his eye on that ball and Senator John Kerry does not.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/opinion/19franks.html?_r=2&oref=login&oref=login

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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2011, 11:18:46 AM »
Franks - Oct. 19  2004

Election day - Nov. 2  2004

Ah, duh, Franks comments couldn't have been political, ah duh, do you think?

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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2011, 11:54:51 AM »
Ah, duh, Franks comments couldn't have been political, ah duh, do you think?

Ah, duh, John Kerry's comments couldn't have been politcal, ah duh, do you think?
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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2011, 11:57:39 AM »
and talking about stuff ten years ago is just your lame-ass diversion
away from this insanity of the article BT posted about so much of the Obama
staff basically having to con Obama into taking action against Bin Laden
when they knew the exact house he was in for months! Freaking Insane!
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Re: For what it's worth
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2011, 12:26:43 PM »
Look, shit for brains, if you had any idea where you were, or who you were talking to, you'd know I can't stand John Kerry. Second, Kerry has nothing to do with the facts surrounding Tora Bora. You're building a strawman.  So not only are you pathetically uninformed, you're highly disingenuous. Third, obviously, I'm talking about Bush and his failure to get Bin Laden because idiots like you are pretending Obama didn't have the balls to pull the triger on Bin Laden when in fact it was Bush who didn't have the balls.

Go back to the debeka file and pretend you know something.

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BTW: BT what happened to your plan to get some new blood in here with some brains. CU4 couldn't drive a garbage truck.