Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood

[Christians4LessGvt]

So what would be the difference in Iran influencing our neighbors elections and
the US influencing theirs?

Different subject...but hey why not?

I guess it is best to sometimes answer a question with a question, so I will.

So what would be the difference in Hitler invading a country
to "liberate" them or us invading a country to liberate them?
Is there a difference in us and Hitler?
Is there a difference in our enemies and the United States?

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is not flawed logic to say that Syrians should decide who runs Syria.

The US does not permit foreign interests to contribute to US political campaigns.

The CIA did not contribute to defeating Mossadegh in the Iranian elections: they supported a military overthrow of a popukarly elected regime.

You hypothetical question is both stupid and illogical.

[Christians4LessGvt]

It is not flawed logic to say that Syrians should decide who runs Syria.

It's flawed logic for you pretend only Syrians will decide who runs Syria.
Do you think Iran isn't trying to influence events in Lebanon?
Do you think Chavez isnt trying to influence events in Columbia?
Do you think Iran isn't trying to influence events in Yemen?
Do you think Castro didn't try to influence events in Africa?
And we should not try to influence? Just leave it to our enemies?
It's flawed logic to pretend our enemies will not influence who runs
countries and for us to abstain and allow only our enemies to have influence.

The US does not permit foreign interests to contribute to US political campaigns.

What does that have to do with anything?
Who said ANYTHING about foreign interests contributing to US campaigns?
Quit creating red herrings to dodge and deflect away from the subject matter.

You hypothetical question is both stupid and illogical.

You only find it "stupid/illogical" because it exposes your flawed logic.

The hypothetical puts you and your logic in a bind of choosing between 2 horrible choices.
#1. Allow Bin Laden to be President of Canada
#2. Don't allow Bin Laden to be President of Canada & go against "letting them decide".

So you resort to being intellectually dishonest to dodge answering the question.

[BT]

So what would be the difference in Iran influencing our neighbors elections and
the US influencing theirs?

Different subject...but hey why not?

I guess it is best to sometimes answer a question with a question, so I will.

So what would be the difference in Hitler invading a country
to "liberate" them or us invading a country to liberate them?
Is there a difference in us and Hitler?
Is there a difference in our enemies and the United States?

Hitler is dead. Even Bush is not Hitler not matter what the ninnies claim.

But let's do some hypothetical.

Let us say that Quebec becomes a predominately Muslim Province. Would they be better served by a Muslim Country helping them break away from Canada or a Christian Country helping or stopping them from breaking away? or does the answer lay with the people of Quebec?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Hitler is dead. Even Bush is not Hitler not matter what the ninnies claim.

Oh come on BT......what does that matter for the sake of the argument?
Like I didnt know Hitler is dead?.....come on you be better than dat!
The analogy is the same....plug any any name of evil.

Let us say that Quebec becomes a predominately Muslim Province. Would they be better served by a Muslim Country helping them break away from Canada or a Christian Country helping or stopping them from breaking away? or does the answer lay with the people of Quebec?

Well you know as always "it depends".

My first reaction is they would be poorly served by breaking away and getting help
from another Muslim country....because by and large....Muslim run countries are
disasters and I doubt many have the success that Canada has had. If the people of
Quebec want to break-away I say they should, but I also think if bad guys are trying
to influence the outcome it would be insanity for us to abstain from trying to counter
our enemies influence, throw up our hands and say "well let the people of Quebec decide".
BTW....those kinds of movements in Europe and maybe even North America are not
that far away....especially if Muslim populations grow in these countries.....
growing Muslim populations (usually undemocratic) equal war and conflict.

[BT]

The larger point is this.

If Quebec is largely Muslim, would Iran be the bad guys to them? Would they be the enemies of them or their co-religionists? And as co-religionists, would the Quebecans be wrong in looking to them for help?

If i am reading you correctly, you are saying the US has a obligation to intercede in the affairs of a foreign country if it is deemed to be in our interests to do so.

How does that stack up with what is declared in the Monroe Doctrine?

Why is we are allowed to intercede but another country is not?

Who declared us always in the right?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am supposed to imagine that Quebec is mostly Muslim and then to decide whether I want my government to spend my taxes to influence the elections there.

What sort of total nonsense is that?

The US can beam Voice of America broadcasts to Syria, they can help Syrians use the internet to overthrow Assad. But that is all I would want them to do. I would not want the CIA to engage in criminal acts against Syrians who want Israel to leave the Golan, for example.

[Christians4LessGvt]

If Quebec is largely Muslim, would Iran be the bad guys to them?

Are the Taliban bombing girls schools the bad guys to those that support them?

Would they be the enemies of them or their co-religionists?
And as co-religionists, would the Quebecans be wrong in looking to them for help?

Would Manson "be wrong" to look for help from other "bad guys"?

If i am reading you correctly, you are saying the US has a obligation to intercede
in the affairs of a foreign country if it is deemed to be in our interests to do so.
How does that stack up with what is declared in the Monroe Doctrine?

If we want to go back to being isolationist, then I could support that.
But if were are going to play the game, then we play the game.
Really either way is ok with me with a leaning towards TOTAL ISOLATIONISM as in 100%.

Why is we are allowed to intercede but another country is not?

We are supporting insurgents and Sabotage in Iran.
We are "allowed" to do that because we can.
Do you think Iran should be "allowed" to support insurgents inside the United States?
Or would you not allow that if you could?

Who declared us always in the right?

Always?
Nobody is perfect....but because nobody is perfect does not equate to moral equivalence.
If the Taliban think blowing up/targeting girls schools is ok
And the US does not think blowing up/targeting girls schools is ok
Isn't someone right about this?
Everything is not relative is it?
Let me ask you.....BT are we better than the Taliban?
Is that difficult for you to answer?
Is capitalism/democracy better than non-capitalism/non-democratic?
Is that difficult for you to answer?
Was OBL "right" to plan flying planes into the World Trade Center becuzz he thought he was?
Was Jim Jones "right" to pass out the kool aid because in his mind he was?
Is there a right and wrong?
Or is right and wrong defined by Jim Jones and Mother Teresa?
Is it "ok" if the Taliban beheads a Mother Teresa if they think it is "right"?

[Xavier_Onassis]

We are supporting insurgents and Sabotage in Iran.
We are "allowed" to do that because we can.
Do you think Iran should be "allowed" to support insurgents inside the United States?
Or would you not allow that if you could?
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We are not allowed to do this. Neither are they allowed to support insurgents in the US.

Individual citizens do not ever have the power to "allow" such things.

Spying and sabotage are always illegal. They are acts of war by definition.

[Xavier_Onassis]

You are getting sillier and sillier. First you want to turn Quebec into a Muslim state, then you want to save Mother Teresa from being beheaded.

Stop while you are only insane.

[Christians4LessGvt]

You are getting sillier and sillier. First you want to turn Quebec into a Muslim state, then you want to save Mother Teresa from being beheaded.Stop while you are only insane.

Keep lying...a natural for liberals and only exposes your fraudulence.

[BT]

I am supposed to imagine that Quebec is mostly Muslim and then to decide whether I want my government to spend my taxes to influence the elections there.

What sort of total nonsense is that?

The US can beam Voice of America broadcasts to Syria, they can help Syrians use the internet to overthrow Assad. But that is all I would want them to do. I would not want the CIA to engage in criminal acts against Syrians who want Israel to leave the Golan, for example.

This is simply a mental exercise. You are not required to participate.

[BT]

If Quebec is largely Muslim, would Iran be the bad guys to them?

Are the Taliban bombing girls schools the bad guys to those that support them?

Would they be the enemies of them or their co-religionists?
And as co-religionists, would the Quebecans be wrong in looking to them for help?

Would Manson "be wrong" to look for help from other "bad guys"?

If i am reading you correctly, you are saying the US has a obligation to intercede
in the affairs of a foreign country if it is deemed to be in our interests to do so.
How does that stack up with what is declared in the Monroe Doctrine?

If we want to go back to being isolationist, then I could support that.
But if were are going to play the game, then we play the game.
Really either way is ok with me with a leaning towards TOTAL ISOLATIONISM as in 100%.

Why is we are allowed to intercede but another country is not?

We are supporting insurgents and Sabotage in Iran.
We are "allowed" to do that because we can.
Do you think Iran should be "allowed" to support insurgents inside the United States?
Or would you not allow that if you could?

Who declared us always in the right?

Always?
Nobody is perfect....but because nobody is perfect does not equate to moral equivalence.
If the Taliban think blowing up/targeting girls schools is ok
And the US does not think blowing up/targeting girls schools is ok
Isn't someone right about this?
Everything is not relative is it?
Let me ask you.....BT are we better than the Taliban?
Is that difficult for you to answer?
Is capitalism/democracy better than non-capitalism/non-democratic?
Is that difficult for you to answer?
Was OBL "right" to plan flying planes into the World Trade Center becuzz he thought he was?
Was Jim Jones "right" to pass out the kool aid because in his mind he was?
Is there a right and wrong?
Or is right and wrong defined by Jim Jones and Mother Teresa?
Is it "ok" if the Taliban beheads a Mother Teresa if they think it is "right"?

Actually everything is relative.

To some William T. Sherman is a hero.

To others he was the cruelest general the US ever produced.

The perspective is based on what side of the Civil War you were on.

You say we are allowed to support insurgents and sabotage in Iran because we can, but OBL was not allowed to fly planes into the WTC even though he could? War is Hell.

How different are the Mutaween of  Saudi Arabia and the Fred Phelps's of the USA?

Both are practicing or enforcing their religious views on others.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Keep lying...a natural for liberals and only exposes your fraudulence.

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How is a refusal to participate in a silly speculation "lying"?

[Plane]

Everything is not relative is it?
Let me ask you.....BT are we better than the Taliban?
Is that difficult for you to answer?
Is capitalism/democracy better than non-capitalism/non-democratic?
Is that difficult for you to answer?
Was OBL "right" to plan flying planes into the World Trade Center becuzz he thought he was?
Was Jim Jones "right" to pass out the kool aid because in his mind he was?
Is there a right and wrong?
Or is right and wrong defined by Jim Jones and Mother Teresa?
Is it "ok" if the Taliban beheads a Mother Teresa if they think it is "right"?

Actually everything is relative.
To some William T. Sherman is a hero.

To others he was the cruelest general the US ever produced.

The perspective is based on what side of the Civil War you were on.

[/quote]

So South Carolinians and Georgians should be ruled by SC and Georgian people , not occupied and reshaped by outsiders?

Good thought provokeing example.