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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #555 on: June 18, 2011, 03:16:21 AM »
More to the point, was my reference made in a vacuum, where a poll now guarantees a specific outcome, for even one lifetime.  Merely likely, given current polling       ::)
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #556 on: June 18, 2011, 03:20:04 AM »
More to the point, was my reference made in a vacuum, where a poll now guarantees a specific outcome, for even one lifetime.  Merely likely, given current polling       ::)

That makes no sense.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #557 on: June 18, 2011, 05:04:05 AM »
Perhaps Plane or Cu4 can explain it to you & Xo
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #558 on: June 18, 2011, 11:28:01 AM »
A poll given today, can, at best, reveal attitudes held today.

No poll can predict what attitudes people will have over a lifetime.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #559 on: June 18, 2011, 12:38:31 PM »
Perhaps Plane or Cu4 can explain it to you & Xo

I look forward to their translation skills.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #560 on: June 18, 2011, 01:32:28 PM »
I'll give you a hint at any of their translating.......merely likely, given current & trending polling
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #561 on: June 18, 2011, 01:51:49 PM »
I'll give you a hint at any of their translating.......merely likely, given current & trending polling

Let's see what they have to say.


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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #562 on: June 18, 2011, 02:26:26 PM »
Let's see what they have to say.

you guys spend so much time and effort on "define is" type stuff
that I loose track and loose interest to even respond...
sorry no comment...because I dont even know what the question is.
i do predict Israeli & American soldiers will one day be in the same trenches together fighting IslamoNazis.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #563 on: June 18, 2011, 04:50:59 PM »
i do predict Israeli & American soldiers will one day be in the same trenches together fighting IslamoNazis.

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How could this possibly happen? Israel is the Kiss of Death to US policy.

Have you noticed that the US has gotten involved in many wars and conflicts since 1947 and has had many, many allies, and NEVER has Israel been a true ally. They have attacked our sailors, though, in the Liberty incident.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #564 on: June 18, 2011, 07:39:06 PM »
How could this possibly happen? Israel is the Kiss of Death to US policy.

You've got to be kidding?
LOL how could US and Israeli soldiers be fighting side by side?
Ummmm wow...lets see....
If in the future Israel is attacked from all sides...
And Israel needs help to survive...
US troops will be landing in Israel
No doubt about it.
There are already US military personnel operating inside Israel

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #565 on: June 19, 2011, 12:06:28 AM »
How is Israel going to be attacked from all sides.

Assad can no longer govern in Syria.

Lebanon has no organized army.

Egypt and Jordan have treaties with Israel. Both countries have far too many problems of their own to attack Israel.

Iran would certainly not stage a land invasion: look at a map to see why.

It is rather unlikely that Israel would be attacked from the sea, being as the US dominates the Mediterranean. I don't think any of Israel's potential enemies have anything that could be described as a navy.

Note that Israel has been involved in wars with its neighbors before, and the US has sent no troops. Once, Israel fired on an American ship, the Liberty, though. This was probably intentional.

I suggest that the scenario you believe in is less likely now than ever before.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #566 on: June 19, 2011, 12:40:43 PM »
How is Israel going to be attacked from all sides.

Assad can no longer govern in Syria.

Lebanon has no organized army.

Egypt and Jordan have treaties with Israel. Both countries have far too many problems of their own to attack Israel.

Iran would certainly not stage a land invasion: look at a map to see why.

It is rather unlikely that Israel would be attacked from the sea, being as the US dominates the Mediterranean. I don't think any of Israel's potential enemies have anything that could be described as a navy.

Note that Israel has been involved in wars with its neighbors before, and the US has sent no troops. Once, Israel fired on an American ship, the Liberty, though. This was probably intentional.

I suggest that the scenario you believe in is less likely now than ever before.


Wow!

So the Palestinian cause is weakened by these developments?

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #567 on: June 19, 2011, 01:38:54 PM »
Wow!

So the Palestinian cause is weakened by these developments?
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The statement was that the US would send troops to fight in the trenches alongside the Israelis, when they were under attack from "all sides".

I would say that with the US Navy in the Mediterranean and Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan all out of the picture, that this would make an attack from "all sides" considerably less likely.

I observe that Israel attacked Hamas in Gaza recently and stomped them flat with practically no resistance at all, and the WB Palestinians did not even bother to join in the fray.

I doubt that any wars will be fought much  in trenches, either.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #568 on: June 19, 2011, 01:45:04 PM »
You make it sound as if the Palestinians have already lost.

Since all they have to offer in negotiations is "peace" why talk to them ?

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #569 on: June 19, 2011, 01:51:16 PM »
Because the Palestinians have a right to their country, much of which was taken from them by armed force by the Israels. As I have repeatedly pointed out, this is in violation of the UN Charter. The UN allowed Israel to be created, and the least Israel can do in return is to abide by the UN resolutions on this issue.

It is also true that Israel is in an untenable position because of the disparate growth rates of Israelis and Palestinians.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."