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Euthanasia slippery slope.......
« on: July 01, 2011, 10:59:14 AM »


Organs of those killed by
euthanasia being used


People killed by euthanasia in Belgium are having their organs
harvested for transplant surgery, a new report has revealed.


By Simon Caldwell

14 Jun 2011

Doctors are impressed by the superior condition of lungs taken from people who killed by
ethal injection compared to those extracted from those killed in accidents.

Surgeons in Leuven between 2007 and 2009 successfully transplanted four pairs of lungs
from people who died from euthanasia.

Cancer victims cannot be donors so the cases involved one person with an "unbearable
mental disorder" and the other three people suffering from "a debilitating benign disease
such as a neurological or muscular disorder". All of the donors had given their consent.

The cases were detailed in a report in a medical journal called Applied Cardiopulmonary Pathophysiology.

The authors of the study, Initial Experience with Transplantation of Lungs Recovered From
Donors After Euthanasia, insisted that doctors were acting strictly within Belgian guidelines
on euthanasia, which was legalised in 2002.

They reveal how "donors were admitted to the hospital a few hours before the planned euthanasia procedure".

"A central venous line was placed in a room adjacent to the operating room," said the report
by D. Van Raemdonck et al, a team of surgeons from Leuven

"Donors were heparinised [injected with an anticoagulant] immediately before a cocktail
of drugs was given by the treating physician who agreed to perform the euthanasia."

"The patient was announced dead on cardiorespiratory criteria by three independent physicians
as required by Belgian legislation for every organ donor".

"The deceased was then rapidly transferred, installed on the operating table, and intubated."



The team found that the lungs were not traumatised by an "agonal" phase seen in people
killed by serious head injuries, the most common type of transplant donor.

The paper showed that about 23.5 per cent of lung transplant donors in Belgium and 2.8
per cent of heart transplant donors are killed by euthanasia.

It revealed that Eurotransplant, a co-ordination group for transplants in Austria, Belgium,
Croatia, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Slovenia, is now devising elaborate
protocols for "organ donation and transplantation after euthanasia".

Dr Peter Saunders, of Care Not Killing, an umbrella group of more than 50 British medical,
disability and religious charities opposed to euthanasia, said he was shocked by the report.

"I was amazed at how nonchalantly the issue was dealt with as if killing patients and
then harvesting their organs was the most natural thing in the world," he said.

"Given that half of all euthanasia cases in Belgium are involuntary it must be only
a matter of time before the organs are taken from patients who are euthanised without
their consent."

"The matter of fact way the retrieval process is described in the paper is particularly chilling
and shows the degree of collaboration that is necessary between the euthanasia team
and the transplant surgeons prep them for theatre next to the operating room, then
kill them and wheel them in for organ retrieval
. All in a day's work in Brave New Belgium."

He added: "Doctors there now do things that those in most doctors in other countries
would find absolutely horrific."

The report comes just a year after researchers found a high proportion of deaths
classified as euthanasia in Belgium have involved patients who have not requested their
lives to be ended by a doctor.


A fifth of nurses interviewed by researchers from the Canadian Medical Association Journal admitted that they had been involved in the euthanasia of a patient ? but also found that
nearly half of these "120 of 248" admitted to participating in "terminations without
request or consent".


Belgium became the second in the world after the Netherlands to legalise euthanasia
since the fall of Nazi Germany.

Euthanasia now accounts for two per cent of all deaths in the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/8572849/Organs-of-those-killed-by-euthanasia-being-used.html
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Re: Euthanasia slippery slope.......
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2011, 02:45:22 PM »
This is not a slippery slope is every person euthanized agrees to be euthanized, and every such person who wants to donate organs must specify this at the same time they request euthanization.

Other than that, it is up to the Belgians.
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Re: Euthanasia slippery slope.......
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2011, 03:23:10 PM »
had to read it twice, it did state consent was given from all the donors, so I`m ok with it. but I would also prefer all recipients be donors also. I think it highly unfair to give organs to people who won`t put that pink dot on thier id.

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Re: Euthanasia slippery slope.......
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2011, 04:05:41 PM »
This is not a slippery slope is every person euthanized agrees to be euthanized,
and every such person who wants to donate organs must specify this at the same
time they request euthanization.

I think you may be missing the point.

See below:

"researchers found a high proportion of deaths classified as euthanasia in
Belgium have involved patients who have not requested their lives to be
ended by a doctor
"


clearly people are being euthanized than have not requested to be

plus...although they may have agreed to donate organs,
but are being euthanized without consent which opens
a huge "slippery slope" of pressure....overt or subtle
of people needing organs and older people or very sick
younger people nearing death being euthanized to
get at the organs.

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Re: Euthanasia slippery slope.......
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2011, 06:17:20 PM »
As I said, people should never be euthanized unless that is their desire.

If this is not what is happening, something should be done about it.

Since this is happening in Belgium, the Belgians should address the problem.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2011, 07:07:04 PM »
I do believe this is a legitimate fear. I`ll probly be the only person willing to say this. but such thoughts of quickly letting ones family go is a tempting thought and I can truely understand belguims eagerness to do things more eficient may get carried away.

I`m not goinmg to sugercoat this I really think thier is a urge to do this quikly to the point of not getting consent.lets just say outside this forum I have a look that compel people to confess to me.my sister has that look also.  without MY consent people unload on me thier problems

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2011, 03:26:40 AM »
China is useing the organs of the convicts it executes.

Is Belgium euthanising "healthy " people?

If the organs are really in good shape , what is the euthanasia for?

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Re: Euthanasia slippery slope.......
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2011, 04:17:18 AM »
For those interested here is the report that the anti-euthanasiaists are quoting from:

http://www.cmaj.ca/content/182/9/895.abstract

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Re: Euthanasia slippery slope.......
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2011, 08:09:17 AM »
Is Belgium euthanising "healthy " people?

I highly doubt that......but thats not really the point.

The fear is someone comes in from a car wreck with severe head injuries
and is near death.....severe head injuries....but really great kidney's,
liver, ect.... if your child was that person would you want the medical team
trying to save your child to be under any pressure to harvest organs for
other people that may or may not be well connected with that hospital?
I am not saying this is exactly the case, but you can see how in today's
world it could be a "slippery slope" of "well this person may not make it
so lets go ahead and euthanize to help out someone else, in fact we
can help several people out with all his healthy organs".


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