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Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« on: August 03, 2011, 09:23:36 PM »
Parents defend Atlanta school caught up in scandal

By Ty Tagami

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
9:39 p.m. Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Parents of students at an Atlanta public school where cheating was alleged to have occurred on a statewide test on Tuesday night defended their school and teachers at a town hall meeting.

“We’ve been extremely pleased with the instruction my children have received,” said Quinnie Cook-Richardson, one of several parents at the troubled West Manor Elementary School who spoke at the meeting.

Her son’s teacher had him reading within a year, she said, adding, “They are an example of what is right with Atlanta Public Schools.”

Cook-Richardson was among a parade of parents who defended a school where the principal has been asked to resign because of the scandal surrounding the 2009 Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests.

“This school is in pain,” said Sherida Ragland, the former Parent-Teacher Association president at West Manor. “There are 300 other parents who couldn’t make it [tonight] and they’re feeling the same way.”

The town hall meeting, held at Jean Childs Young Middle School in southwest Atlanta, was called by the school board representative for the area, LaChandra Butler Burks.

“The entire district is hurting,” she told the parents. She said employees named in the report would get due process in termination hearings. Meanwhile, she said, the school system must work on its “culture.”

The parents were worried about the effect of the scandal and investigation on their kids.

Angela Lawson coordinated a reading group this summer with her son’s classmates. “They have a thirst for knowledge,” she said.

Also Tuesday, about 15 clergy, parents and community members attended the early portion of a planned six-hour vigil outside Atlanta Public Schools.

On a small stretch of sidewalk outside the district’s headquarters in downtown Atlanta, participants sang songs and offered prayers on behalf of the leadership, teachers and children in Atlanta Public Schools.

The event was organized by Rev. Timothy McDonald of First Iconium Baptist Church in East Atlanta as a way to highlight the work of the thousands of teachers and employees not associated with the cheating scandal.

“There’s too much anxiety from teachers, principals and students,” he said. “It’s time to turn this around and get excited for the school year.”

Leading up to the start of the school year, the district has been communicating with parents and community members through an active Twitter account, @apsupdate, and Facebook page.

In another development, the legal bills of former Atlanta schools superintendent Beverly Hall, as they relate to the district's ongoing cheating scandal, have cost APS more than $53,000 so far, according to Channel 2 Action News.

http://www.ajc.com/news/parents-defend-atlanta-school-1069715.html

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 08:02:42 AM »
Not defending
But college students generally speak don't see a problem cheating due to the massive workloads today.classes today are different to accommodate the demands

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 11:37:46 AM »
Not defending
But college students generally speak don't see a problem cheating due to the massive workloads today.classes today are different to accommodate the demands

I am sure there are plenty that are honest too.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 12:48:06 PM »
College courses are no more demanding now than they were in the 1960's. Textbooks and learning aids (visual, audio, and internet links) are far superior.

The major difference now is that in 1960, a student could earn enough to pay his way through college. This is no longer possible. Another difference is that there was no way to be entertained with mindless TV fare 24/7 in the 1960's. To waste time, students needed to at least read books. There were no video games, just bridge and chess at my university. I know that I spent at least 60 hours a week studying. The only students I had that studied as much when I was teaching were foreign students and inmates at Dade Correctional.

Lots of students cheated, but they were never creative at it. Mostly, they would hide a paper with answers on it under the test, or they would copy from someone else. As a rule the cribsheets were full of mistakes, and students who copied never were clever enough to sit by anyone who actually knew anything. Good students would often get up and move away. I would say that I would catch a cheater about every second test, and usually someone would always cheat on at least one final exam in one of my classes.

There was an honor system pledge and I managed to discourage most cheating by simply watching everyone carefully.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 01:46:58 PM »
College courses are no more demanding now than they were in the 1960's. Textbooks and learning aids (visual, audio, and internet links) are far superior.

The major difference now is that in 1960, a student could earn enough to pay his way through college. This is no longer possible. Another difference is that there was no way to be entertained with mindless TV fare 24/7 in the 1960's. To waste time, students needed to at least read books. There were no video games, just bridge and chess at my university. I know that I spent at least 60 hours a week studying. The only students I had that studied as much when I was teaching were foreign students and inmates at Dade Correctional.

Lots of students cheated, but they were never creative at it. Mostly, they would hide a paper with answers on it under the test, or they would copy from someone else. As a rule the cribsheets were full of mistakes, and students who copied never were clever enough to sit by anyone who actually knew anything. Good students would often get up and move away. I would say that I would catch a cheater about every second test, and usually someone would always cheat on at least one final exam in one of my classes.

There was an honor system pledge and I managed to discourage most cheating by simply watching everyone carefully.

I bet you cheated in college didn't you?

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2011, 11:31:50 PM »
   In Atlanta the accusation is that answers were corrected by teachers and staff after the test was taken but before it was graded , trying to bend up the curve, make the school look better and fit better into federal assistance like NCLB and race to the top.

    There is supposed to be more evidence of cheating in Atlanta by itself than in the whole rest of the state.

     Atlanta is indeed culturally distinct from the other cities of Ga, and is worlds away from rural Ga in attitudes.

        But....

        The main evidence presented to the public is a high number of erased answers.

      Is a lot of corrected answers really sure evidence that teachers and administrators made the changes? How is it known how many erasures are normal for the students to make?  Can't at least some portion of this evidence be an illusion?
« Last Edit: August 06, 2011, 12:46:57 AM by Plane »

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 12:28:25 AM »
I don't see where the parents condoned the cheating.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 12:49:19 AM »
I don't see where the parents condoned the cheating.


   What of the teachers and staff at the schools in question?

      I wonder what an honest kid does in this environment.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 01:04:25 AM »
Were all the teachers involved in the cheating or just some? Are the suspected ones being dealt with, are the innocents remaining untarnished?

But nowhere in that article did i see where a parent said cheating was ok. So the title from the poster and the author were a bit misleading.


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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 12:03:17 PM »
I don't see where the parents condoned the cheating.

I saw it.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 12:26:20 PM »
I don't see where the parents condoned the cheating.

I saw it.

Quote the part.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 12:32:11 PM »
I don't see where the parents condoned the cheating.

I saw it.

Quote the part.

Cook-Richardson was among a parade of parents who defended a school where the principal has been asked to resign because of the scandal surrounding the 2009 Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2011, 12:42:44 PM »
“We’ve been extremely pleased with the instruction my children have received,” said Quinnie Cook-Richardson, one of several parents at the troubled West Manor Elementary School who spoke at the meeting.

Her son’s teacher had him reading within a year, she said, adding, “They are an example of what is right with Atlanta Public Schools.”

Cook-Richardson was among a parade of parents who defended a school where the principal has been asked to resign because of the scandal surrounding the 2009 Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests.

I see where she spoke highly of one of her son's teachers. How does that translate to condoning cheating?



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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2011, 01:53:51 PM »
“We’ve been extremely pleased with the instruction my children have received,” said Quinnie Cook-Richardson, one of several parents at the troubled West Manor Elementary School who spoke at the meeting.

Her son’s teacher had him reading within a year, she said, adding, “They are an example of what is right with Atlanta Public Schools.”

Cook-Richardson was among a parade of parents who defended a school where the principal has been asked to resign because of the scandal surrounding the 2009 Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests.

I see where she spoke highly of one of her son's teachers. How does that translate to condoning cheating?

Where did parents come forward and say they were unhappy with the schools cheating on tests? Looks like they liked the teaching their kids got but when it came to the kids being cheated by the school personal I missed the outrage which in turn indicates to me that they are OK with the cheating otherwise someone would have said so.

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Re: Black Parents Condone Teaching Kids to be Dishonest
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2011, 04:34:34 PM »
No, I did NOT cheat in college on anything.

I recall I was alphabetically seated next to a fratrat named Dudley in an Ed Psyche class. I noticed he was copying the answers from an ABCD  multiple choice test, and deliberately wrote all the wrong answers rapidly. Dudley got up and left, and I went back and changed by answers.

What a surprise when I got a B and he flunked the test. He was mad as hell and could not say a thing. heh, heh.
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