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Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« on: December 09, 2011, 03:52:33 PM »
Republican old guard takes aim at Gingrich

Says he damaged the party in 1990s

By Michael Kranish 
Globe Staff / December 9, 2011

WASHINGTON - Former senator Alan Simpson recalls with great clarity the day, as he describes it, that Newt Gingrich "lied to the president of the United States'' in budget negotiations with George H.W. Bush. And as new polls show Gingrich soaring to the lead of the GOP presidential primary field, Simpson is ready to share.

"I am ready to tell that story around the United States,'' the Wyoming Republican said.

Simpson is part of the wing of the Republican Party establishment that remembers Gingrich as a disruptive and destructive force, one who caused self-inflicted damage to the party and helped set up President Bill Clinton's 1996 reelection and other Democratic victories.

Now many members of the Republican Party establishment are watching Gingrich's rise with trepidation, fearing a repeat may be at hand. In response, some Republicans have aligned with Mitt Romney, and even those who have not made an endorsement, including Simpson, are hoping to remind voters of Gingrich's record. If it were a movie, it might be called "The Establishment Strikes Back.''

Romney's campaign also has seized upon party fears about Gingrich, arranging a conference call for reporters yesterday with two key establishment backers, John H. Sununu, the former New Hampshire governor, and Jim Talent, the former senator from Missouri, who blasted Gingrich's bombastic ways and said he would be a lightning rod for controversy.

"If the nominee is Newt Gingrich, then the election is going to be about the Republican nominee, which is exactly what the Democrats want,'' Talent said. "If they can make it about the Republican nominee, then the president is going to win.''

The Gingrich forces, however, welcome such attacks because the more he is pilloried by the GOP establishment, the more it bolsters his "outsider'' standing with the Tea Party and undercuts Romney's argument that Gingrich is a creature of Washington.

"The establishment never liked Newt,'' said former US representative Robert Walker of Pennsylvania, one of Gingrich's most loyal lieutenants in the House. Walker said, for example, the party establishment balked at Gingrich's proposal for congressional term limits and was angered by the way he passed over some senior members for committee chairmanships. "A lot of those people ended up very angry at him,'' Walker said.

While Gingrich is surging in the polls, he lags far behind in the most obvious measures of establishment support - endorsements and money. He has been endorsed by only seven members of Congress, compared with Romney's 55, according to a tally by The Hill, a newspaper that covers Capitol Hill.

For many members of the party establishment, the turning point in their relationship with Gingrich began in 1990, when Bush negotiated with Congress over a landmark deficit reduction package. Bush decided to break his "Read my lips: No new taxes'' pledge in exchange for spending caps and cuts that would lead to a balanced budget. Sununu, who was Bush's chief of staff, and Simpson, then the Senate minority whip, said in separate interviews that Gingrich, the House minority whip, assured Bush that he supported the package.

But when the deal was unveiled shortly afterward, Gingrich stunned the White House by announcing he opposed it. Bush confronted Gingrich at a party fund-raiser, saying, "You are killing us,'' according to memoirs by former Bush aides.

Alumni of that administration said Gingrich's criticism of the budget deal was a major factor in Bush's failure to win reelection in 1992.



rest at: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/12/09/republican_old_guard_takes_aim_at_gingrich/

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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 04:44:21 PM »
If the Old Guard does not like the Newtster, does that mean they prefer Romney?

The Old Guard is hardly pro-Mormon. They are centered in Texas, California and the Northeast, NOT Utah. Utah is flyover country to them, and Romney is a lot more Utah than Northeast.

The fact is, they have no one else that  is likely to be another Olebush or Bobdole or other Old Guard favorite.

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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 08:21:02 PM »
They think Newt is dangerous, and I agree with them. He has no discipline.

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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 08:40:28 PM »
I think they said the same of Reagan. 
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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 09:11:28 PM »
They said Reagan was dangerous, and he was. I never heard anyone say Reagan was undisciplined, though: he gave speeches for GE for over a dozen years all over the country on how wonderful corporations were and how evil big government was. He said only what they paid him to say. He was a reliable shill, and actor who would pretend to be a hero and everyone's granddpa. Well, everyone who was White, at least.

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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 09:17:44 PM »
Sirs, by dangerous, they mean dangerous for the Republican party. So if H.W. Bush(as Old Gaurd as you can get)thought Reagan was dangerous for the Republican party, and he wanted to be president after Reagan, why would he sign on as his VP?


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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 12:14:52 AM »
So if H.W. Bush(as Old Gaurd as you can get)thought Reagan was dangerous for the Republican party, and he wanted to be
president after Reagan, why would he sign on as his VP?

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To keep an eye on the old geezer, of course, and keep him from doing something truly stupid. When it was clear that Reagan was going to get the nomination, the Old Guard convinced Reagan to take on Olebush. Remember the convention in 1980 when they were talking about a Reagan and Ford "co-presidents" ticket? Someone in the leadership no doubt said "Wait a minute: Ford is a dummy who thinks Poland is not dominated by the USSR, Reagan is a has-been dummy actor who gets his foreign policy from reading the Reader's Digest: we can't have a TWO-dummy ticket."

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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 12:23:00 AM »
Thank God we have the Old Guard to tell us who their preferred candidate is.


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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2011, 12:47:10 AM »
I'm not sure God had anything to do with it.
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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 01:08:17 AM »
That is the mystery of it all.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2011, 10:51:46 AM »
I surely do not endorse the GOP Old Guard. I was simply stating how they have felt about their role in the past. They must be quite dismayed at the lack of anyone among the eight (no, scratch Cain) seven candidates that they have vying for the nomination. Romney is the most favorable to them in my opinion, because like McCain, he is, well "flexible" and will say damn near anything to get the job.

I note that McCain has not uttered the word "Maverick" since his defeat.

It is rather hard for a Mormon to be a Maverick. Imagine a Maverick that has religious restrictions on sipping a Mountain Dew.
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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 11:04:02 AM »
You don't have a vote in the Republican primary, and your opinion matters nill.

Most Democrats probably wish there was a Democrat primary so they wouldn't be stuck with the jackass that they have.

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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 01:04:04 PM »
Perhaps I will change my registration, but with Gingrich getting to be so popular, it would hardly be necessary.

President Obama has done a pretty good job, considering that he was given two wars and a ghastly economic crisis to deal with.

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Re: Republican Old Guard Takes Aim at Gingrich
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 03:06:32 PM »
A "ghastly" crisis that he has made far worse, thank you very much
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 04:33:34 PM »
That is only true in the bizarro world of sirs.
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