since we`re talking about slavery

[Plane]

This is true in the same way that there are fetuses that are allowed to live and not killed even though they have no protection of law.

There was little protection fo rtrhe rights of Black people in those days, little enough seventy years later.

But would you say that some being free ment none had a problem?

[Xavier_Onassis]

You are not making sense. There is no parallel between slavery and abortion. none.

[Plane]

You are not making sense. There is no parallel between slavery and abortion. none.

    This is what makes me think you are willfully wearing blinders.

     For Dred Scott the Surpreme court found that a black person isn't a person .
     For little baby Roe they did the same thing.

       Why isn't the issue precicely the same one?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The basic difference is that "little baby Roe" was NOT a person.

[BT]

For Dred Scott the Surpreme court found that a black person isn't a person .

At the time of decision a black person not a freedman was not a person, they were property.

It took a Civil War and an amendment or two to change that.

Pre viability not a person, post viability but prenatal increasing personhood, post natal personhood with limitations.

That is the law of this land. This land of laws.

[Plane]

The basic difference is that "little baby Roe" was NOT a person.

How is that a diffrence?

In our highest court, the most learned men of the law declaired Dredd Scott was.....?

[BT]

not a "person"

[Plane]

That is a simularity mistaken for a diffrence.

[Plane]

Dissents by Justice Curtis and Justice McLean
 
Curtis, in dissent, attacked that part of the Court's decision as obiter dicta, on the ground that once the Court determined that it did not have jurisdiction to hear Scott's case, it must simply dismiss the action, and not pass judgment on the merits of the claims. The dissents by Curtis and McLean also attacked the Court's overturning of the Missouri Compromise on its merits, noting both that it was not necessary to decide the question, and also that none of the authors of the Constitution had ever objected on constitutional grounds to the United States Congress' adoption of the antislavery provisions of the Northwest Ordinance passed by the Continental Congress, or the subsequent acts that barred slavery north of 36°30' N.
 
Nor, these justices argued, was there any Constitutional basis for the claim that blacks could not be citizens. At the time of the ratification of the Constitution, black men could vote in five of the thirteen states. This made them citizens not only of their states but of the United States.[18] Therefore, Justice McLean concluded that the argument that Scott was not a citizen was "more a matter of taste than of law."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

[BT]

Perhaps you can explain the value of the dissenting opinions?

[Plane]

I agree with them.


Also, this bit;

"that the argument that Scott was not a citizen was "more a matter of taste than of law."

That bit , strikes me as another thing that applys to the denyal of humanity to a Fetus.

[BT]

define fetus.

My understanding is that fetus is post viability and embryo is pre-viability, ergo your fetus does have protections.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is not my fetus.
Up to the moment of birth, the woman has the powerr of life and death over any fetus, because she has the power to commit suicide. It is not my decision to make: you do not own her body. The decision and  the sin that goes with it, if indeed there is one, is hers and hers alone.

That is my position. I am unconvinced by all your crap that you have the power over anyone else's body. And by anyione else, I mean those who have been born already.
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If you want to convert anyone to your standards, pick someone other than me.

[Plane]

Converting you is so unlikly that it is beside the point.

The point is to examine your logic, or whatever you have in leu thereof.

Does a pilots right to commit suicide kive him the right to kill passengers on his aircraft?

[Plane]

define fetus.

My understanding is that fetus is post viability and embryo is pre-viability, ergo your fetus does have protections.

Fetus= Latin noun meaning "baby"