since we`re talking about slavery

[BT]

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm

The end of the 10th week of pregnancy marks the end of the "embryonic period" and the beginning of the "fetal period."

[Xavier_Onassis]

Let the pregnant woman decide. Let her get informed all by herself.

Governments should have no control over people's reproduction.

[Plane]

What is your point?

Zygote; Blastocyst; Embryo; Fetus;Infant;Toddler;Preschooler;
Kindergartener;Gradeschooler;Preteen;Teen;Adolescent;LateAdolescent;Adult

Why prefer one of these semicolins to another?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Zygote; Blastocyst; Embryo; Fetus

NOT ALIVE, NOT YET PERSONS.

[Plane]

Let the pregnant woman decide. Let her get informed all by herself.

Governments should have no control over people's reproduction.

Government should have no controll?

Are you really a Liberal after all?

Sounds more like a Libertarian here.

Do you men this in a nonqualifyed way???

Should the government not mandate child support?
Should the government cease to forbid incest?
Should the bans on cloning be lifted?
Since gene splicing can hybridise literally anything, is it well that the government prevent the creation of half men? or of course allow it?

Why indeed should the government intrude in the relationships of people in any way at all?

[Plane]

Zygote; Blastocyst; Embryo; Fetus

NOT ALIVE, NOT YET PERSONS.

Error of fact.

A Zygote can be considered alive.

If you had died as a zygote this conversation would not be.

Why?
Why not yet a person?

WHY?
WHYTHECAPS?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I simply do not think it is anyone's business whether a woman has a child or not, except to that woman and that woman alone. The fetus is a part of her. It is not a part of me, a part of you or a part of Antonin Scalia.

If that is a Libertarian view, then on that issue I am a Libertarian. I agree with them about marijuana use for adults as well,
medical, recreational, whatever, just like alcohol.

As I said, if men could have abortions, abortions would be a sacrament. I mean that seriously.

It is not my decision, nor should it be anyone's decision except that pregnant woman, just like cutting my toenails or getting a tattoo is my decision and mine alone.
 

[Plane]

Is killing your children your business and your business alone?

I think it is abomnible to force a woman to become pregnant against her will, she should have absolute right of refusal.

That doesn't make it follow that she should have the right to treat her child with the same respect she treats her toenail clippings.

As I said, if men could have abortions, abortions would be a sacrament. I mean that seriously.


 

No , there is no reason to think so.
No reason to take that thought seriously.
If men could bear children , we would be women.

[BT]

When does a soul enter a body?

At conception?

At first breath?

When does the soul leave a body?

at last breath?

And then the body is what ? a corpse or still a person

are you a person when you have a soul?

do you have to believe in souls to have one?

if you don't believe are you still a a person?

Do your beliefs trump my lack of beliefs?

Does that make you more of a person than i am?

And why do men have more control of their bodies than women?

Is it because women were freed later than slaves?

Are they really free or is it an illusion.

Forced to wear figurative burkas whipped with a cane.

[Plane]

When does a soul enter a body?

At conception?

At first breath?

When does the soul leave a body?

at last breath?

I do not know.
And unless you do.
You should be cautious in your assumption of Gods right to kill.

[BT]

So you entire argument is based on the assumption of the existence of God. '

Can you make the same argument without that assumption.

[Plane]

So you entire argument is based on the assumption of the existence of God. '

Can you make the same argument without that assumption.

You are mistaken.

My argument is that you are not God.

You should not assume no one is in a body and kill.

Not being God , you do not know .

If I am wrong about that.

Please forgive my impertinence Mr. God sir.

[BT]

I never claimed to be God.

I simply said that i don't see where a woman has less rights over control of  her body than a man.

But its all an illusion anyway. When has anyone been prosecuted for obtaining an abortion after viability kicks in.

More people have been incarcerated for mistreating dogs.

[Xavier_Onassis]

A man has an absolute right over his own body.
A woman also has the same right.

A dog has the right over his body as well.

The man does not have rights over the woman's body, nor vice-versa.

I will concede a right to trim your poodle or to tell your kids to comb their hair or get a haircut and not get their faces tattooed.

I have decided for convenience sake, that God inserts the soul (if there is a God and there is a soul) at the moment of birth and not before. If God is omnipotent and really cares about his, he will do the burning bush thing and let us know. Otherwise we can assume that (a) he is not omnipotent, (b) he does not care, or (c) he does not exist.

I stand resolutely against anti abortion laws and puppykicking.

[Plane]

A man has an absolute right over his own body.
A woman also has the same right.

A dog has the right over his body as well.

The man does not have rights over the woman's body, nor vice-versa.

I will concede a right to trim your poodle or to tell your kids to comb their hair or get a haircut and not get their faces tattooed.

I have decided for convenience sake, that God inserts the soul (if there is a God and there is a soul) at the moment of birth and not before. If God is omnipotent and really cares about his, he will do the burning bush thing and let us know. Otherwise we can assume that (a) he is not omnipotent, (b) he does not care, or (c) he does not exist.

I stand resolutely against anti abortion laws and puppykicking.

If you don't mind abortion , why object to puppy kicking?
Do dogs have greater right to good treatment than human beings?
Men do not haver a greater right to kill their children than women do, and I agree at least that there ought to be sharp limits on puppy kicking.


I see that XO is here admitting that the crediting of humanity to a person at the moment of birth is an arbitary convention.

Bt, if you will study this post you will see that XO gets that it is Gods right to make this decision, but that he doesn't shy from taking Gods responsibility on to himself.