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The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« on: April 07, 2012, 10:23:52 PM »
 
The Talk: Nonblack Version
 

There is much talk about “the talk.”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

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(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.


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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO PT2
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2012, 10:25:58 PM »
 

 

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.


http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire

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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2012, 10:35:23 PM »
Did Derbyshire say anything that isn't true? Someone needs to point it out. I sure don't see it!

There goes my last reason to bother with National Review. Best of luck Derb!
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2012, 11:26:45 PM »
The general consensus from what i have seen at various haunts is that Lowery overreacted to the Derbyshire post in a completely different webzine. My guess is he didn't want NRO being stigmatized by all the oh so quick to scream racist types who jump on these kind of things without even following all the links. Which exposes NRO as cowards and the race baiters as children who should simply be ignored.

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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2012, 12:55:06 AM »
Why Derbyshire Had to Go

Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, April 7, 2012

John Derbyshire has now joined the roster of brilliant journalists who have been fired by publications that call themselves ?conservative.? Mr. Derbyshire?s April 5 column for Takimag.com committed the usual crime of pointing out something that is not only true but that everyone knows to be true. He noted that blacks are on average less intelligent than whites, that many of them hate whites, and that when they gather in large numbers they can be dangerous. Mr. Derbyshire?s column was framed as a white parent?s ?talk? to his children about the facts of race.

Of course, anyone not a tourist from Iceland learns by about age 10 to avoid crowds of blacks, but it is considered ?racist? actually to say so. It took National Review two days to fire Mr. Derbyshire?an eternity in the age of the Internet, even if it was Easter weekend?and lefty publications like Atlantic Wire and Huffington Post were yelling for blood long before the ax fell.

National Review?s editor Rich Lowry?s public notice of dismissal started with fluff about Mr. Derbyshire?s ?delightful first novel,? but called his Takimag piece ?nasty and indefensible.? This is another way of saying Mr. Derbyshire was writing honestly about race, and National Review has a history of firing people who write honestly.

In the late 1990s, the magazine was saying sensible things about immigration, multiculturalism, and even race and IQ. It defended The Bell Curve, called for serious immigration reform and published Philippe Rushton. This was too much for the NR?s founder, William Buckley, who removed the two men most responsible for honesty. He forced out Editor John O?Sullivan in December 1997, and in February 1998 exiled Senior Editor Peter Brimelow to the powerless position of contributing editor. Mr. O?Sullivan?s replacement was none other than the Mr. Lowry, who now finds Mr. Derbyshire?s work ?nasty and indefensible.?

Buckley was jumpy about anyone who got frisky. In 1993 he had already fired Joe Sobran for writing columns Buckley called ?contextually anti-Semitic.? Anyone who violated what Buckley liked to call ?the prevailing structure of taboos? was out the door.

Just two years later, another ?conservative? publication, the Washington Times, fired Sam Francis for remarks he made at an American Renaissance conference:

The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted to a different people.

It was the usual sin: writing something obviously true.

In 1997, it was Scott McConnell?s turn to be bounced from a ?conservative? paper, this time, the New York Post. In a July 14 column he pointed out that Puerto Ricans are poor, live on food stamps, are often hostile to English, and that it was therefore a bad idea to make Puerto Rico the 51st state. He suggested that instead of going on about how wonderful statehood would be for Puerto Ricans we should actually talk about whether it would be good for us. Thirty Puerto Rican ?leaders? had a meeting with Post publisher Martin Singerman, and Mr. McConnell was gone.

A more recent example of ?conservatives? turning on their own was Human Events? 2005 firing of Kevin Lamb for editing a magazine the Southern Poverty Law Center called ?racist.? All it took was one phone call from the SPLC and in just a few hours Mr. Lamb was out of a job.

In January of this year, the Maine Heritage Policy Center, which bills itself as a ?conservative? advocacy group, fired political reporter Leif Parsell after it discovered that he had written that ?cultural diversity combines with our increasing racial and ethnic diversity to degrade our society? and had recommended a video by me in which I point out that diversity is not a strength.

And, of course, in February, Patrick Buchanan was fired from MSNBC for his book Suicide of a Superpower, in which he made such common-sense observations as:

Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically, and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being overturned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution?to ?insure domestic tranquility? and ?make us a more perfect union?? Or has our passivity in the face of this invasion imperiled our union?

MSNBC?s president explained that such ideas were not ?appropriate for the national dialogue.? Mr. Buchanan?s case is slightly different, since he was fired from a ?liberal? network, but where is the ?conservative? network that is rushing to take him on?

Clearly, as an ex-journalist who violated ?the prevailing structure of taboos,? Mr. Derbyshire adds his own indisputable luster to a distinguished group. But what does it say about our country that even ?conservatives??and only ?conservatives??suffer from such hair-trigger nervousness about race? When was a ?liberal? ever fired for calling whites ?the cancer of the human race? or demanding ?the abolition of the white race?? It doesn?t happen. There is no such thing as ?liberal? excess. You can say the vilest things about white people and be a hero.

Why is this? Part of it is the vicious double standard that protects every group but whites from ?negative stereotypes,? but it is also because no one is afraid of obvious foolishness. Even crazed, ethnomasochist whites who say hateful things about their own race clearly do not believe them. They do not repent of ?white privilege? by giving up their jobs to pet minorities. They do not ?celebrate diversity? in their own lives.

What people like John Derbyshire say is different. He must be fired, silenced, and disgraced because everyone?from the mooncalves at Huffington Post to the ?conservatives? at National Review?lives by the very rules Mr. Derbyshire put into print. I have no doubt at all that Rich Lowry avoids crowds of blacks, does not live in a black neighborhood, and would never send his children to a black school. He may babble racial moonshine to his children, but the real ?talk? he gives them is exactly the one Mr. Derbyshire wrote about. Mr. Lowry?s real ?talk? is the way he lives his life.

And that is why Mr. Derbyshire has to go. There is nothing cowards and hypocrites hate more than brave men who live by their convictions.

http://amren.com/news/2012/04/why-derbyshire-had-to-go/
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO PT2
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2012, 07:38:33 AM »
A small cohort of blacks in my experience, around five percent? is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks ?around half?will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

thats sorta the way I feel about Muslims too

A small cohort of (MUSLIMS), around five percent is ferociously hostile to (NON-MUSLIMS) and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of (MUSLIMS) "around half" will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of (RELIGIOUS) solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that (NON-MUSLIMS) have it coming.
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2012, 02:46:53 PM »
Good observation, C
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2012, 04:41:11 PM »
Derbyshire is a disgusting and annoying racist. Even the National Review does not want to be identified with such fools. He should go back to England.

I have occasionally met annoying Black people, notably honking in traffic for no logical reason, since I am not going to run a light for their convenience. LIke many Whites and others, there are people who believe that the horn should be used to "punish" those who do not drive as they wish.

I take the city bus downtown two or three times per week. I am often the only non-Black person on the bus, and no one has bothered me or treated me any differently than anyone else in over seven years. The bus drivers are mostly Black, and when they see me running to the stop, they wait for me, as they do every other passenger.

As for Muslims, I know at least ten pretty well, and none of them has been rude or discourteous to me. All are respectful, polite and friendly.

It is one thing for Derbyshire to follow his many rules for avoiding trouble. He will undoubtedly avoid difficulty by following them. It is quite another to print this stuff in a national magazine, where it will be quoted by kluxers and racists of all sorts as the ultimate authority.  I question his figures on intelligence, but the fact is that a lack of intelligence does not make people more hostile, dangerous or violent.
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2012, 04:43:41 PM »
Is it as simple as Jews are smarter than Asains, who are smarter than whites, who are smarter than Hispanics, who are smarter than blacks? Or is it a hugely complicated subject?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2012, 05:18:28 PM »
Is it as simple as Jews are smarter than Asains, who are smarter than whites, who are smarter than Hispanics, who are smarter than blacks?

on average....pretty much
but thats not to say there aren't plenty of blacks smarter than some whites....ect
i doubt there are many homeless jews
matter a fact i've never seen a "Will Work For Food" sign scam artist that was asian
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2012, 06:02:31 PM »
Derbyshire was fired NOT for being a supposed flaming racist, but for being the polar opposite of being politically correct.  Which is unfortunate.......for NRO, to be so quick to try and "distance itself" from rhetoric that might offend someone(s), even if true
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2012, 06:33:08 PM »
I don't think you can say that everyone with a "will work for food" is a scam artist. There is the possibility that at least a few are actually hungry. I have not seen any Chinese with this sign, either, but that does not surprise me, as there are few Chinese here in Miami. Technically, if we assume that Jews are originally from Judea, then Jews ARE Asians. Israel is in Asia, according to every map I have ever seen.

What Derbyshire said was of course politically incorrect, but it was racist as well. The National Review does not wish to have true accusations of racism hurled at it. The decision by the National Review would most likely be based on the anticipated number of outraged subscribers that would cancel their subscriptions. It is rather annoying for some Englishman to come here and hurl judgements at Americans.

There are lots of things Derbyshire could rant about than this. I am not feeling sorry for Derbyshire. There is no reason to assume that any given person is smarter or dumber based on race. One should judge people as individuals. Herman Cain may or may not be intelligent, but he certainly demonstrated ignorance of Libya, foreign affairs and how to deal with women. Rick Perry may be smart, but he did not show any sign of being verbally sharp in those debates. IQ figures are rather immaterial, unless we have detailed information on all candidates
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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2012, 06:55:35 PM »
I don't think you can say that everyone with a "will work for food" is a scam artist.

Nothing is a 100%....but for the sake of being able to have a conversation we often
take it for granted without qualification that nothing is 100%. Like when we say
smoking causes people to get cancer...when we know some smoke for 70 years cancer free.
Most people holding "will work for food" signs are not interested the least in work. My brother
and I both have offered them work.....like you wanna walk down the street and mow my grass?
They always are not interested in what their sign says....they are scam artists. One time I saw
a guy at major intersection in a wheel chair with the bullshit "will work for food" sign. The next day
he was at different intersection running to cars that honked with money.

Why is it blacks seem offended if another race on average has a higher IQ?
I am not the least bit offended an asian or jew probably has a higher IQ than me.
That doesnt mean shit to me...
I know a lot of very smart people that are very unhappy and/or broke
If the guy with the high Mensa IQ is broke/depressed/unhappy
and I'm happy as can be with life....who on top?.....LOL

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Re: The Post that got Derbyshire fired from NRO
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2012, 01:03:17 AM »
This guy is unimpressive. We don't expect miracles from education, but we CAN expect results close to or as good as the countries that have done education well enough to have surpassed this country in the number of scientists, engineers, doctors and others that have become competent in their fields. The US should be able to do as well as Finland or Germany. We should be able to have social upward mobility as impressive as Western Europe, and the fact is that we do not.
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