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Oh look George Romney marching for civil rights.
What was Obama's father doing again?

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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 11:23:34 AM »
What were YOU doing? What was YOUR father doing?

No one has control over what their fathers do. This is stupid and meaningless.
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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 01:46:05 PM »
What were YOU doing?

probably watching my older brothers selling roadside lemonade
learning how business works at a very early age
ya know lemonade that "terrible" stuff with lots of sugar in it
maybe the control freaks will ban certain sizes of lemonade at kids roadside stands
since ya know....they know better!  ::)

What were YOU doing? What was YOUR father doing?

i'm not running for office....but he was
probably examining the eyes of Nuns, Priests, nursing home residents,
and orphan's on weekends for free as he often did.

No one has control over what their fathers do. This is stupid and meaningless.

Ummm then why talk about how Romney had a wealthy/Ivy League background?
After-all as you say...."no one has control over what their fathers do".

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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 02:33:16 PM »
Ummm then why talk about how Romney had a wealthy/Ivy League background?
After-all as you say...."no one has control over what their fathers do".

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First off, Romney is not his father, so what his father did does not qualify him to be president.
Your hero Ronald Reagan's father was the town drunk, and that did not disqualify him, did it?

Being from a wealthy background COULD mean that a person lacked an understanding of what it means to be poor, unemployed and unable to get an education. We do not see The Donald donating money to destroy Guinea worms and malaria in Africa, so we? The Donald is not Bill Gates, nor is he Warren Buffet.

We see Romney racing to Las Vegas to get The Donald's endorsement, as though the endorsement of a lout whose major slogan is "YOU'RE FIRED!" is some sort of asset in a time of great unemployment.
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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 04:09:16 PM »
Being from a wealthy background COULD mean that a person lacked an understanding of what
it means to be poor, unemployed and unable to get an education.

What like the Kennedy's, the Gore's....raised in Lily White wealth?
How many blacks did JFK or Teddy share a classroom with?
You liberal hypocrites never seem to have a problem if a Leftist is wealthy.

We do not see The Donald donating money to destroy Guinea worms and malaria in Africa, so we?
The Donald is not Bill Gates, nor is he Warren Buffet.

I am no defender or knowledgeable about how Trump uses his moey, but I do know conservative households and conservatives in general are more giving to charity than liberals. And isnt it a damn shame that people like Al Gore and Vice President Joe Biden who claim to be for the "little guy" donate such a pitiful disgraceful amount to charity? It's just another example of the hypocrisy from the Left like when it was discovered that George Bush had a house much more environmental friendly than so-called environmentalist Al Gore!

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 04:13:16 PM »
I don't believe you.

SOME wealthy people are more charitable than SOME Liberals, the opposite is also true. Charity is an individual act.
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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 04:35:56 PM »
I don't believe you.

Do you believe facts?



Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
 
People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Reviewing Brooks' book in the Texas Review of Law & Politics, Justice Willett notes that Austin -- it voted 56 percent for Kerry while he was getting just 38 percent statewide -- is ranked by The Chronicle of Philanthropy as 48th out of America's 50 largest cities in per capita charitable giving. Brooks' data about disparities between liberals' and conservatives' charitable giving fit these facts: Democrats represent a majority of the wealthiest congressional districts, and half of America's richest households live in states where both senators are Democrats.

While conservatives tend to regard giving as a personal rather than governmental responsibility, some liberals consider private charity a retrograde phenomenon -- a poor palliative for an inadequate welfare state, and a distraction from achieving adequacy by force, by increasing taxes. Ralph Nader, running for president in 2000, said: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity." Brooks, however, warns: "If support for a policy that does not exist ... substitutes for private charity, the needy are left worse off than before. It is one of the bitterest ironies of liberal politics today that political opinions are apparently taking the place of help for others."

In 2000, brows were furrowed in perplexity because Vice President Al Gore's charitable contributions, as a percentage of his income, were below the national average: He gave 0.2 percent of his family income, one-seventh of the average for donating households. But Gore "gave at the office." By using public office to give other peoples' money to government programs, he was being charitable, as liberals increasingly, and conveniently, understand that word.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2012, 05:17:02 PM »
I don't believe you.
Do you believe facts?



Bleeding Heart Tightwads

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
 
December 20, 2008

This holiday season is a time to examine who's been naughty and who's been nice, but I'm unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.
 
Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, "Who Really Cares," cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

Other research has reached similar conclusions. The "generosity index" from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans ? the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

"When I started doing research on charity," Mr. Brooks wrote, "I expected to find that political liberals, who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did, would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views."

Something similar is true internationally. European countries seem to show more compassion than America in providing safety nets for the poor, and they give far more humanitarian foreign aid per capita than the United States does. But as individuals, Europeans are far less charitable than Americans.

Americans give sums to charity equivalent to 1.67 percent of G.N.P., according to a terrific new book, "hilanthrocapitalism,"by Matthew Bishop and Michael Green. The British are second, with 0.73 percent, while the stingiest people on the list are the French, at 0.14 percent.

(Looking away from politics, there' evidence that one of the most generous groups in America is gays. Researchers believe that is because they are less likely to have rapacious heirs pushing to keep wealth in the family.)

When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches, that a fair amount of that money isn't helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires.

It's true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

According to Google's figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It's great to support the arts and education, but they're not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)

Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

So, you've guessed it! This column is a transparent attempt this holiday season to shame liberals into being more charitable. Since I often scold Republicans for being callous in their policies toward the needy, it seems only fair to reproach Democrats for being cheap in their private donations. What I want for Christmas is a healthy competition between left and right to see who actually does more for the neediest.

Of course, given the economic pinch these days, charity isn't on the top of anyone's agenda. Yet the financial ability to contribute to charity, and the willingness to do so, are strikingly unrelated. Amazingly, the working poor, who have the least resources, somehow manage to be more generous as a percentage of income than the middle class.

So, even in tough times, there are ways to help. Come on liberals, redeem yourselves, and put your wallets where your hearts are.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2012, 07:13:34 PM »
They have more money to give, duh.

I question that this is true, really
When people donate money, they do not state their political affiliation. I have yet to see on any donation form any question about politics.

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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2012, 11:09:44 PM »
They have more money to give, duh.
I question that this is true, really
When people donate money, they do not state their political affiliation.
I have yet to see on any donation form any question about politics.

Oh I knew you would deny the facts...because it blows your fantasy land.
Of course there is not a political question on a donation form, but nice dodge.
scientific polling is done besides having it on the donation form.

Not only are conservatives more generous with a percentage of their income,
conservatives also volunteer more and donate blood more.

#1. "measuring by the percentage of income given,
conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes".


#2. "Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent."
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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2012, 11:57:54 PM »
scientific polling is done besides having it on the donation form.

Not only are conservatives more generous with a percentage of their income,
conservatives also volunteer more and donate blood more.

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Science, or magic?

How do they know the income of a blood donor? How do they know the wealth or income of any donor?

I bet you can't tell me.

 You just read this crap somewhere and want to believe it, like Mulder wanted to believe in alien visitors.

How does this "science" work?

Why should anyone believe this crap?
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Re: I doubt you'll see this on Meet The Press "Looking Back" segment!
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2012, 12:50:45 AM »
Science, or magic? How do they know the income of a blood donor?
How do they know the wealth or income of any donor?
I bet you can't tell me.

How does any polling/research entity or Professor at respected universities like Syracuse University
gather data about things not obvious? Are you saying that unless something is checked on a form
there is no scientific way to gather data and information about that topic? Polling and data gathering
for many industries in done in fact because the information they seek is not obvious from a check
mark on a form. Respected polling organizations can gather all kinds of information regarding various
subjects including income, political, business, religious, racial, sexual preference, ect x 1000.


You just read this crap somewhere and want to believe it,

Yeah like in the "Rightwing" New York Times that I used as a source?
Your fall-back to always "attack the messenger" instead of dealing
with the facts exposes you are a mental midget.
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 01:54:54 PM »
I note that you have still not explained how anyone dete3rmines the income of donors to charities.
Until you do, YOU are the mental midget.
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2012, 08:07:55 PM »
I note that you have still not explained how anyone dete3rmines the income
of donors to charities. Until you do, YOU are the mental midget.

XO are you seriously trying to argue that professional polling, survey and research firms that are paid millions of dollars by business, marketing firms, charities, political parties, and gvt are unable to determine information about people across the board about all kinds of issues including donations to charity? Do you think professors at respected universities can not conduct detailed surveys and research about issues like charitable giving? Are you literally insane? I have not and do not work as a professional in that industry, but I do know they gather accurate information as a profession. Just like I dont work in the skyscraper business but I know skyscapers are built. I assume extensive surveys along with other measures are done by polling and survey companies that determine their results. If their results were consistently not accurate they would not be in business very long. For example there are countelss studies done about smokers. Smokers dont "check a box" when they buy cigarettes, but many of the precise habits of smokers can be  ascertained by a professsional research/polling/survey firm or by a university research project.

Why would thousands of companies like this exist is thay are unable to find non-obvious information for their clients?

http://rpinc.com/about/about.php

http://www.emcresearch.com/

http://www.tulchinresearch.com/

For just one example of detailed information about how research is conducted
at the university level by PHD's and College Professors in regard to an issue
like charitable giving:

http://www.fullerton.edu/gcnr/Patterns.pdf
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