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Panetta Warns of Cyber Pearl Harbor:

"The Capability to Paralyze This Country is There Now"

(CNSNews.com) -- Defense Secretary Leon Panetta warned a Senate panel today that America faces "the potential for another Pearl Harbor" launched by enemies who have the capability to wield a cyberattack that would "paralyze this country."

Panetta made his remarks under questioning by Sen. Lindsey Graham (...R-S.C.) during a Department of Defense (DOD) budget hearing held by the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense.

Referring to a potential cyberattack against the United States, Graham asked, "You said something that just kind of went over everybody's head, I think, that there's a Pearl Harbor in the making here. You're talking about shutting down financial systems, releasing chemicals from chemical plants, releasing water from dams, shutting down power systems that can affect the very survival of the nation. What's the likelihood in the next five years that one of these major events will occur?".

Panetta answered, "All I can tell you is that technologically the capability to paralyze this country is there now."

When Graham asked whether a "growing will" existed among enemies of the United States to engage in cyberattack, Panetta said, "I think that the more this technology develops, the more the will to potentially use it is going to take place."

Graham, who also serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee, then followed up and asked, "Would you say there's a high probability?".

"I think there's a high risk," said Panetta.

Earlier in the hearing, Panetta fielded questions on a potential cyberattack against the United States from Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), who asked him to elaborate on what he meant by a "digital Pearl Harbor," whether the Defense Department has enough resources to deal with such a problem, and whether a sense of urgency was necessary.

"I think there has to be a greater sense of urgency with regards to the cyber potential not only now, but in the future," said Panetta. "I think this is a, obviously it?s a rapidly developing area. The reality is we are the target of literally hundreds of thousands of attacks every day. It?s not only aimed at government, it?s aimed at the private sector."

"There are a lot of capabilities that are being developed in this area," said Panetta, who served as CIA director in the past. "I'm very concerned that the potential in cyber to be able to cripple our power grid, to be able to cripple our government systems, to be able to cripple our financial system would virtually paralyze this country. And, as far as I'm concerned, that represents the potential for another Pearl Harbor as far as the kind of attack that we could be the target of using cyber."
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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2012, 01:02:59 AM »
dialing for dollars
the game remains the same

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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 09:21:59 AM »
I find it curious that you blame ME for this.
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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 09:43:59 AM »
I find it curious that you blame ME for this.

I find it curious that you think I am blaming you for anything in this thread.
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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 10:01:22 AM »
I think i brought up that a hacker contest was done and america  doesn`t even place

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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2012, 12:29:31 PM »
I think i brought up that a hacker contest was done and america  doesn`t even place

Kimba how long ya think it would take for Martial law to be declared when this happens?

"shutting down financial systems, releasing chemicals from chemical plants, releasing water from dams, shutting down power systems, cripple our power grid, cripple our government systems".

ummmm i'd say when this happens we'll see martial law pretty quickly.
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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 09:41:48 AM »
It all depends how long the outage last.
A tristate blackout happened thirteen years ago and it showed people got really dependent on technology. If it happened today it will be worst since landlines are used even less now. Upon furthur thought maybe something more katrina like , which the poorer and less tech savy people will start taking over in a bad way.

Not sure thats martial law though

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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 11:00:41 AM »
Panetta is exaggerating in hopes of getting more funding, I imagine.

After 9-11 all we heard about was how it was sure to happen within the next year, two years, and so on.

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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 11:50:33 AM »
natuonwide i don`t believe it`s possible,but definately in a multi-state sutuation. the trick is to get the low tech states to help out their neighbors.
ironicly this means the places that simply never upgraded and left thier system get neglected will not be effected.

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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 03:33:22 PM »
KIMBA......

someone at my office was claiming yesterday that there
are basically 3 "major power grids" in the United States. .

he said the 3 are: East, West, Texas

This guy said Texas is on it's own independent power grid.

I am not sure if this is true, nor am I sure if that would be a good or bad thing when the attack happens.
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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 04:33:43 PM »
well i checked and I guess he was right:


3 Major Interconnections or Power Grids in US
Eastern
Western
Texas or ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas)


https://sites.google.com/site/theuspowergrid/



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Re: And XO thinks it's crazy to store food/guns/water/gold/ect...
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2012, 03:32:58 AM »
not sure it works that way, the last black out took only three states. I think knocking out a whole powergrid is not as easy as we think