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[kimba1]

but is it needed to make it self aware?

[Xavier_Onassis]

If we are smart enough to make a robot, then we are also smart enough to make the robot have only those talents and abilities that we need. Self-awareness is probably not essential to most tasks we would assign to robots. Perhaps there are no such tasks.

[kimba1]

I think thier are questionable need for humanoid robots. all i come up with is spy & sex stuff. and still more practical using humans for such tasks.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Self-aware humanoid robots are like time machines: they are GREAT as fictional entities. It is wonderful to speculate about time travel as well as robots who fall in love, mechanical pinocchios who long to be real boys, and such.

Time travel is most likely impossible: as I have said before, if someone invented a wayback machine, we would have met them. by now. The same proof is not available for travel to the future.

Sentient robots MIGHT be occasionally available for experimental reasons, but I really do not think they are likely to become numerous.

[kimba1]

It depends on us if we have a desire to have  such a thing.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It depends on the very, very few that design robots and pay to have robots designed, not all of us, not even a few of us.

I cannot imagine why anyone would design a robot like "Bender" on Futurama to bend things and also to be both mobile and self-aware. I do understand why Bender makes a great cartoon character.

It would be insane to actually create such a robot.

[kimba1]

bender no,but six from battlestar galactica yes. most likely japan before anyone else will do it. the robot now are only a few percentage points close to totally human looking. the next step is getting it to behaive like a human which is where the demand for self-aware programing may come into play.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Disney's animatronic figures look pretty human, but of course they are essentially mannikins with servos in their faces and limbs. The Japanese are trying to create helper robots that can care for the aged. I don't think that self-awareness would be a necessary attribute. You are correct that the Japanese seem to be ahead of everyone in creating robots, or at least in publicizing their research. We really don't know more about this than the companies doing the research choose to tell us.

Japanese culture seems more robot-friendly than ours.

[Plane]

The test was introduced by Alan Turing in his 1950 paper "Computing Machinery and Intelligence," which opens with the words: "I propose to consider the question, 'Can machines think?'" Since "thinking" is difficult to define, Turing chooses to "replace the question by another, which is closely related to it and is expressed in relatively unambiguous words."[3] Turing's new question is: "Are there imaginable digital computers which would do well in the imitation game?"[4] This question, Turing believed, is one that can actually be answered. In the remainder of the paper, he argued against all the major objections to the proposition that "machines can think".[5]
 
In the years since 1950, the test has proven to be both highly influential and widely criticized, and it is an essential concept in the philosophy of artificial intelligence.[1][6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

The "standard interpretation" of the Turing Test, in which player C, the interrogator, is tasked with trying to determine which player - A or B - is a computer and which is a human. The interrogator is limited to using the responses to written questions in order to make the determination. Image adapted from Saygin, 2000.[1]

[kimba1]

99% there

http://singularityhub.com/2011/03/07/latest-geminoid-robot-looks-super-life-like-video/

you now need a computer to get the movements just right and a program that can pass the turing test.
has anyone ever asked if all humans can pass the turing test?

[Plane]

99% there

http://singularityhub.com/2011/03/07/latest-geminoid-robot-looks-super-life-like-video/

you now need a computer to get the movements just right and a program that can pass the turing test.
has anyone ever asked if all humans can pass the turing test?

Perhaps we need a human race password.

In that wicipedia article it states that some Chatbot programs are already being used to steal.

HOw sad would it be to find the first real AI was a criminal.

[kimba1]

i remember recently a computer was used in a game show and the difference between it and the human was it does not round off numbers like humans like to do.

humans have trouble remembering 13553456,but can remember 13million

[Xavier_Onassis]

Computers by nature have absolute recall. If we want them to round off numbers, we have to program them to alter the data to do so. Some savants (idiot and otherwise) do have total recall of numbers. Most humans do not. That means that there is probably a gene that determines this talent. Eventually, parents will be able to select genes for their children, or at least that technology will exist. Being as there are over 200 countries on the planet, it is likely that parents can BUY those genes, even if "designer genes" are banned.

Robots do not need to pass a Turing test to paint cars, wash clothes or vacuum the floor.

[Plane]

Computers by nature have absolute recall. If we want them to round off numbers, we have to program them to alter the data to do so. Some savants (idiot and otherwise) do have total recall of numbers. Most humans do not. That means that there is probably a gene that determines this talent. Eventually, parents will be able to select genes for their children, or at least that technology will exist. Being as there are over 200 countries on the planet, it is likely that parents can BUY those genes, even if "designer genes" are banned.

Robots do not need to pass a Turing test to paint cars, wash clothes or vacuum the floor.

   Some theroise that Savants are damaged in a peculair way that allows nacent talents to be expressed where in normal persons that brain power is being used otherise as a part of some other function. Consider that if your memory was not able to catagorise many thousands of small memorys assigning meaning to each you would not be able to talk, if your brain was not able to organise many thousands of sensor inputs and motor outputs you would not be able to walk. Any normal human brain includes an enormous computing power, but for most of us it is weakly interfaced to non instinctive or intangible tasks.
    I think that robots that are already fooling a few persons out of thousands of potential victims for theft are alreeady passing a weak version of Turing test, they will be better theives if they are better imitation human beings.

[kimba1]

    I think that robots that are already fooling a few persons out of thousands of potential victims for theft are alreeady passing a weak version of Turing test, they will be better theives if they are better imitation human beings.

bad for me to says it`s way cheaper to just hire folks in india to do this. AI is a very costly bit of tech , meaning it`s doubtful it`ll ever be used to replace non-high income jobs. ex. maid service,fastfood