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Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« on: October 29, 2012, 10:48:38 PM »
Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket

President Barack Obama said in an interview that if the investigation into the Sept. 11 attack on the American compound in Libya finds that "there was a big breakdown, and somebody didn't do their job, they'll be held accountable."
 
Speaking with MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program on Monday, the president said that "ultimately, as commander in chief, I'm responsible and I don't shy away from that responsibility. My No. 1 responsibility is to go after the folks who did this, and we're going to make sure we get them. I've got a pretty good track record of doing that."
 
Republicans have hammered the Obama administration over its evolving public explanation for the causes of the attack, which claimed the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi.  Stevens was the first American ambassador since 1979 to be killed in the line of duty.
 
Obama called the attack an act of terror in his first public remarks on the issue on Sept. 12. But in subsequent days, top aides repeatedly pointed the finger at Muslim rage over an Internet video that mocks Islam and described the strike as emerging from a "spontaneous" demonstration. The State Department ultimately said there had been no such protest. (Intelligence officials branded the attack terrorism on Day One.)
 
Asked whether the intelligence community provided poor information, Obama replied: "That's what we're going to find out from the investigation."
 
"But the truth is that across the board, when this happened, my No. 1 priority was secure Americans, figure out what happened, bring those folks to justice. We are in the process of doing that right now," he added. "Congress has been getting the flow of information continuously from Day One."
 
Obama also said there were "all kinds of legitimate questions" about what happened in the eastern Libyan city.
 
"But I do take offense, as I've said at one of the debates, with some suggestion that in any way we haven't tried to make sure that the American people knew, as information was coming in, what we believed happened," he said.

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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 02:40:55 AM »
Less a "big breakdown" and more a "criminal cover-up", as each day passes
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 04:13:17 PM »
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 03:26:58 AM »
I know...copy paste...boring.  I suppose I could pull an xo, and paste something from somewhere and claim it my own.  Don't read it, if you don't want to....or considering just denigrating the messenger

Benghazi bungle requires act of urgent political hygiene
By MARK STEYN
Syndicated columnist

"We're going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video," said Hillary Clinton. No, not the person who made the video saying that voting for Barack Obama is like losing your virginity to a really cool guy. I'll get to that in a moment. But Secretary Clinton was talking about the fellow who made the supposedly Islamophobic video that supposedly set off the sacking of the Benghazi consulate. And, indeed, she did "have that person arrested." By happy coincidence, his bail hearing has been set for three days after the election, by which time he will have served his purpose. These two videos – the Islamophobic one and the Obamosexual one – bookend the remarkable but wholly deserved collapse of the president's re-election campaign.

You'll recall that a near month-long attempt to blame an obscure YouTube video for the murder of four Americans and the destruction of U.S. sovereign territory climaxed in the vice-presidential debate with Joe Biden's bald assertion that the administration had been going on the best intelligence it had at the time. By then, it had been confirmed that there never had been any protest against the video, and that the Obama line that Benghazi had been a spontaneous movie review that just got a little out of hand was utterly false. The only remaining question was whether the administration had knowingly lied or was merely innocently stupid. The innocent-stupidity line became harder to maintain this week after Fox News obtained State Department emails revealing that shortly after 4 p.m. Eastern, less than a half-hour after the assault in Benghazi began, the White House situation room knew the exact nature of it.

We also learned that, in those first moments of the attack, a request for military back-up was made by U.S. staff on the ground but was denied by Washington. It had planes and Special Forces less than 500 miles away in southern Italy – or about the same distance as Washington to Boston. They could have been there in less than two hours. Yet the commander-in-chief declined to give the order.

So Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods fought all night against overwhelming odds, and died on a rooftop in a benighted jihadist hell hole while Obama retired early to rest up before his big Vegas campaign stop. "Within minutes of the first bullet being fired, the White House knew these heroes would be slaughtered if immediate air support was denied," said Ty Woods' father, Charles. "In less than an hour, the perimeters could have been secured, and American lives could have been saved. After seven hours fighting numerically superior forces, my son's life was sacrificed because of the White House's decision."

Why would Obama and Biden do such a thing? Because to launch a military operation against an al-Qaida affiliate on the anniversary of 9/11 would have exposed the hollowness of their boast through convention week and the days thereafter – that Osama was dead, and al-Qaida was finished. And so Ty Woods, Glen Doherty, Sean Smith and Chris Stevens were left to die, and a decision taken to blame an entirely irrelevant video and, as Secretary Clinton threatened, "have that person arrested." And, in the weeks that followed, the government of the United States lied to its own citizens as thoroughly and energetically as any totalitarian state, complete with the midnight knock-on-the-door from not-so-secret policemen sent to haul the designated fall guy into custody.

This goes far beyond the instinctive secretiveness to which even democratic governments are prone. The Obama administration created a wholly fictional storyline, and devoted its full resources to maintaining it. I understand why Mitt Romney chose not to pursue this line of argument in the final debate. The voters who will determine this election are those who voted for Obama four years ago and this time round either switch to the other fellow or sit on their hands. In electoral terms, it's probably prudent of Mitt not to rub their faces in their 2008 votes. Nevertheless, when the president and other prominent officials stand by as four Americans die and then abuse their sacrifice as contemptuously as this administration did, decency requires that they be voted out of office as an act of urgent political hygiene.

At the photo-op staged for the returning caskets, Obama et al seem to have been too focused on their campaign needs to observe even the minimal courtesies. Charles Woods says that, at the ceremony, Joe Biden strolled over to him and by way of condolence said in a "loud and boisterous" voice, "Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?" One assumes charitably that the vice president is acknowledging in his own inept and blundering way the remarkable courage of a man called upon to die for his country on some worthless sod halfway across the planet. But the near-parodic locker-room coarseness is grotesque both in its inaptness and in its lack of basic human feeling for a bereaved family forced to grieve in public and as crowd-scene extras to the political big shot. Just about the only formal responsibility a vice president has is to attend funerals without embarrassing his country. And this preening buffoon of pseudo-blue-collar faux-machismo couldn't even manage that.

But a funny thing happened over the next six weeks: Obama's own cue balls shriveled. Biden had offered up a deft campaign slogan encompassing both domestic and foreign policy: "Osama's dead, and General Motors is alive." But, as the al-Qaida connections to Benghazi dribbled out, leak by leak, the "Osama's dead" became a problematic boast and, left to stand alone, the General Motors line was even less credible. Avoiding the economy and foreign affairs, Obama fell back on Big Bird, and binders and bayonets, just to name the B's in his bonnet. At the second presidential debate, he name-checked Planned Parenthood, the General Motors of the American abortion industry, half-a-dozen times, desperate to preserve his so-called gender gap. Yet, oddly enough, the more furiously Obama and Biden have waved their binders and talked up Sandra Fluke, the more his supposed lead among women has withered away. So now he needs to enthuse the young, who turned out in such numbers for him last time. Hence, the official campaign video (plagiarized from Vladimir Putin, of all people) explaining that voting for Obama is like having sex. The saddest thing about that claim is that, for liberals, it may well be true.

Both videos – the one faking Obamagasm and the one faking a Benghazi pretext – exemplify the wretched shrinkage that befalls those unable to conceive of anything except in the most self-servingly political terms. Both, in different ways, exemplify why Obama and Biden are unfit for office. One video testifies to a horrible murderous lie at the heart of a head of state's most solemn responsibility, the other to the glib shallow narcissism of a pop-culture presidency, right down to the numbing relentless peer-pressure: C'mon, all the cool kids are doing it; why be the last holdout?

If voting for Obama is like the first time you have sex, it's very difficult to lose your virginity twice. A flailing, pitiful campaign has now adopted Queen Victoria's supposed wedding advice to her daughter: "Lie back and think of England." Lie back and think of America. And then get up and get dressed. Who wants to sleep twice with a $16 trillion broke loser?
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 06:20:34 AM »
...By happy coincidence, his bail hearing has been set for three days after the election, by which time he will have served his purpose...

Set, you fail to mention, by the court, and a hearing the defendant's attorney could have asked for sooner if he had been so inclined.

...The innocent-stupidity line became harder to maintain this week after Fox News obtained State Department emails revealing that shortly after 4 p.m. Eastern, less than a half-hour after the assault in Benghazi began, the White House situation room knew the exact nature of it...

And again fails to mention that the terrorist group that initially claimed responsibility shortly thereafter denied it - http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/white-house-told-of-militant-claim-two-hours-after-libya-attack!/msg144721/#msg144721

The rest, while long on diatribe and vitriol, is short on proven facts as to why the actions were taken or not taken during and after the attack. That is why there are investigations, which are still ongoing. While the timing being so short before the election is unfortunate, it is not proof of any cover-up.
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 11:18:26 AM »
...By happy coincidence, his bail hearing has been set for three days after the election, by which time he will have served his purpose...

Set, you fail to mention, by the court, and a hearing the defendant's attorney could have asked for sooner if he had been so inclined.

Did I or the writer claim something otherwise?


...The innocent-stupidity line became harder to maintain this week after Fox News obtained State Department emails revealing that shortly after 4 p.m. Eastern, less than a half-hour after the assault in Benghazi began, the White House situation room knew the exact nature of it...

And again fails to mention that the terrorist group that initially claimed responsibility shortly thereafter denied it - http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/white-house-told-of-militant-claim-two-hours-after-libya-attack!/msg144721/#msg144721

I realize you like coming back to the terrorist group then disavowing  their being responsible, yet the facts suggest that this was precisely the work of Islamic terrorists, specifically those connected to the Al-Qeada, who our folks on the ground were deducing their larger and larger footprint, especially noted with their ever multiplying training camps in Libya.  You still think this was just some spontaneous uprising by the locals.......who just happened to be armed to the teeth, and attacked a U.S. Consulate on the anniversary of 911?

Why you insist on trying to defend the indefensible, why you insist on trying to defend "the Giants", yet try to walk some "I just want to be objective, not a Giants' fan", despite your numerous efforts to the contrary, is indeed pretty perplexing


While the timing being so short before the election is unfortunate, it is not proof of any cover-up.

Neither the writer nor myself ever said "proof"...merely a pretty easy deduction, given the current facts of the matter
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 12:32:45 PM »
...By happy coincidence, his bail hearing has been set for three days after the election, by which time he will have served his purpose...

Set, you fail to mention, by the court, and a hearing the defendant's attorney could have asked for sooner if he had been so inclined.

Did I or the writer claim something otherwise?


I didn't say you or the author did, but as long as I am now being judged on 'intent', I point out that the intent here seems to be to give the impression the administation, or Hillary, had something to do with settingf his bond hearing after the election. Um, I left out by happy convenience.

I realize you like coming back to the terrorist group then disavowing  their being responsible, yet the facts suggest that this was precisely the work of Islamic terrorists, specifically those connected to the Al-Qeada, who our folks on the ground were deducing their larger and larger footprint, especially noted with their ever multiplying training camps in Libya.  You still think this was just some spontaneous uprising by the locals.......who just happened to be armed to the teeth, and attacked a U.S. Consulate on the anniversary of 911?

I did not say that, and you know it. But I do like facts, and I prefer that they not be omitted. It might indicate some nefarious intent.
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 12:47:10 PM »
and those FACTS include that

- Our folks on the ground concluded AlQeada was gowring in the immediate region
- They requested, MULTIPLE TIMES, FOR MORE SECURITY
- They requested for military assistance during the attack
- Our State Dept and WH were watching the attack in real time
- There were no protests outside the consulate prior
- There were as many of 150 armed militants that attacked, in a coordinated manner, armed with rpg's, automatic weapons, and mortars
- They were attacked on 911
- The attack went on for 7 hours
- We had military assets that could have been dispatched immediately, and be on station in no more than 2 hours

THOSE ARE FACTS

- And for 2weeks, this administration pushed the notion this was all facilitated by a video...minus of course all these facts to the contrary, as well as your conclusion that before likeminds, like me, should conclude anything, until a "thorough investigation" is completed, that's apparently exactly what they did with their video tactic.  I can't help but notice not a whiff of criticism for the Adminstration's actions on concluding what unfolded based on the facts they had at the time.  Is that not exactly what you're trying to chastise me for?

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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 01:35:59 PM »
CALM

THE FUCK

DOWN

I am simply pointing out some facts you conveniently omitted.

Another might be that in his first public statement on the attack, Obama did indeed refer to it as a terrorist act.

Look, like it or not, convenient or not, the full details are probably not going to come out until after the election. As I have pointed out, investigations and bureaucracies take time. Posting opinion pieces about speculative reasons for why what happened happened, and ravening at me in the meantime, will not change that. I agree there are a lot of questions unanswered, or not answered satisfactorily to this point, but coming at me for having the patience you lack will not change that.
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 04:33:23 PM »
Not sure why the big bold pronouncement.  Was someone yelling around here??  Now that we've dispensed with that irrelevent reference even with the facts that were supposedly ommitted, coupled with the above facts that are cystal clear and undisputed, again not a whiff of criticism for the Adminstration's actions on concluding what unfolded based on the facts they had at the time, that apparently I'm getting raked over the coals for

Oh, and another fact....he did not specifically reference the Benghazi attack as a terrorist act in his 1st public say so.  That's validated by the ongoing tactic, the next 2 weeks, of he and his "co", trying to paint this as a sponataneous uprising following some stupid video.  When was that UN speech again?

But naaaaaa, you're not a "Giants' fan"    ;)     
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 04:45:50 PM »
...Oh, and another fact....he did not specifically reference the Benghazi attack as a terrorist act in his 1st public say so.

I refer you to my first post in this thread.
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 04:53:36 PM »
...again not a whiff of criticism for the Adminstration's actions...

Did you actually read my post, or just glance at it and jump to conclusions?

...I agree there are a lot of questions unanswered, or not answered satisfactorily to this point...

And when someone comes at me with a bunch of capital letters, unless they are using them for a section heading or some such, yes, I consider it the text equivalent of yelling.
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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 06:02:49 PM »
CALM THE FUCK DOWN
Isn't that an ironic statement!

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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 06:11:17 PM »
H....you crack me up....so 1 reference, only now I might add, in "I agree there are a lot of questions unanswered, or not answered satisfactorily to this point" equates to the barrage of criticism how dare anyone else come to any conclusions, until "the investigation is completed"

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Re: Obama: Benghazi may have been ‘big breakdown’
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 06:35:35 PM »
how dare anyone else come to any conclusions, until "the investigation is completed"

why that might be as reckless as concluding/implying/suggesting/insinuating
that President Bush/Bushco/ect lied us into war when no US Court,
no US Congress, and the nonpartisan 9-11 Commission
made no such official judgement.
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