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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2012, 08:13:56 PM »
39 now.

As of 6 p.m. Tuesday, citizens of 39 states had asked the federal government for permission to secede from the union using the White House’s We the People online petition site.
 
Three of those petitions, from Louisiana, Texas and Florida had crossed the 25,000 signature threshold to receive an official response from the Obama Administration.
 
A White House official told Nextgov on Monday that the administration would respond to every petition that crossed the threshold but would not “comment on what the substance of that response will be before it’s issued.”
 
The flood of secession petitions, which began the day after President Obama’s reelection, had also prompted a backlash with petitions asking the government to “Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America” and to “Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.”
 
The petitions had also prompted a response from one elected official. Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who arguably flirted with secession himself, told the Dallas Morning News late Monday that he “believes in the greatness of our union and nothing should be done to change it,” when asked about the Texas petition.
 
Citizens of historically liberal Austin, Texas also filed a petition Tuesday afternoon asking the federal government to allow them to remain part of the United States if the rest of Texas seceded. Austin “continues to suffer difficulties stemming from the lack of civil, religious, and political freedoms imposed upon the city by less liberally minded Texans,” that petition said.
 
The secession petitions seem to have also sparked a renewed interest in the We the People platform itself, which has been hovering at around 30 active petitions the past six months. Since the election, 68 new petitions have been posted to the site, 23 of which had nothing to do with the secession debate.
 
Two of those petitions had also crossed the threshold for an administration response as of Tuesday afternoon. One of those petitions asked for a recount of the 2012 presidential race. The other sought to legalize marijuana, which has proved the most popular petition topic on We the People.
 
Petitions are removed from We the People if they fail to reach the response threshold within one month.
 
Dozens of petitions were posted to We the People after its September 2011 launch, but the rush of new petitions slowed soon after the first crop of responses, which petitioners complained seemed rote and unserious.
 
As of 6 p.m. Tuesday, secession petitions had been filed by citizens of Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, New York, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arizona, Nevada, Delaware, Ohio, California, Wyoming, Utah, Kansas, Alaska, Pennsylvania, Nebraska, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Virginia, Rhode Island, Idaho, New Hampshire and Illinois.
 
Puerto Rico residents also filed a petition Nov. 8 asking the White House to act on a non-binding referendum in which the island territory’s residents favored U.S. statehood.


http://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2012/11/39-states-now-petitioning-secede-union/59482/
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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2012, 08:23:08 PM »
This might have a better chance now than it did in 1865.

You are correct Plane.
Besides simply not having the stomach for 500K deaths again
It absolutely would work much better now than 1865.
Why should people with such different goals be under the same gvt?
And it's only going to get much worse.....

Don't be downcast.

The Democrats did not evaporate when Reagan swept the election.

And there is a lot of unifying force, we agree on many things , we just tend to concentrate a lot of attention on disagreement and schism.

If General Beauregaurd had held his fire, and signed a petition instead of starting a bombardment , it seems likely to me that the Civil war could have been settled in the courts and might have come out diffrently , perhaps with a compromise instead of a crushing defeat.

I don't really think that secession will be a popular Idea , it will loose referendum by larger margin than the Obama election at least.

But it is fun to make the WhiteHouse talk about .

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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2012, 08:46:57 PM »
"Are you claiming that that specific language is in the petition that 25k Texans signed?"

Is this Sirs posting as BT?


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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2012, 08:54:11 PM »
Nope. Tis I

Saying that the remarks of a county chairman for a local GOP represents all petition signers is like saying Fred Phelps represents all baptists.

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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2012, 03:20:51 AM »
Now which is it BT? Are you asking if I'm claiming that that specific language is in the petition? Are you asking if I'm saying that the remarks of a county chairman for a local GOP represents all petition signers? Or are you saying I said that Fred Phelps represents all Baptists?

There's a lot there so I just want to make sure I answer the right question.


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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2012, 08:18:04 AM »
Secession is going nowhere. Americans like the idea of saying "We're number One!" It is unlikely that the separated states would be numbers One through however many separate countries there might be as a result.

From a strictly ideological point of view, I recall a conversation I had in Belize in 1980, just before independence. One Belizean said "Belize is to SMALL to be independent"; another said "It every nation were as small as Belize, no one could afford the expensive arms, and there would be a lot more peace.

This makes sense, but I think waiting for China to become 994 nations would be prudent before anyone making a split.

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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2012, 12:19:27 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2012, 02:09:41 PM »
Actually it's more than that now, Sirs, up to 39 last I looked. I posted 'em earlier but didn't have a map.
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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2012, 02:12:05 PM »
Now which is it BT? Are you asking if I'm claiming that that specific language is in the petition? Are you asking if I'm saying that the remarks of a county chairman for a local GOP represents all petition signers? Or are you saying I said that Fred Phelps represents all Baptists?

There's a lot there so I just want to make sure I answer the right question.


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I am saying the remarks of the county party chairman are representative of his own self.

And as an aside, liberals are just as apt to post with language such as that. Read one of Mikey T's rants as an example of such.


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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2012, 02:53:05 PM »
"liberals are just as apt to post with language such as that. Read one of Mikey T's rants as an example of such"

Getting serious for a minute here, Mickey T was no liberal. I mean I get your point and all, but lets not perpetuate the myth that snowblower was a liberal. He was anything but.


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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2012, 05:17:32 PM »
Up to 49 now...the holdout is Vermont.

Here's a list of states where residents have filed secession petitions in the wake of the presidential election: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Counter-petitions to strip citizenship of individuals signing onto petitions to secede and exile them have also been filed with the White House website.

Full article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secede-from-the-union_n_2126467.html
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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2012, 05:22:10 PM »
Oops, it's unanimous...Vermont finally got one started.

http://examineropinion.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-675000-signatures-50-state-participation/

So, at this point, why not just start a nationwde petition to dissolve the union?
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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2012, 05:26:18 PM »
Oops, it's unanimous...Vermont finally got one started.

http://examineropinion.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-675000-signatures-50-state-participation/

So, at this point, why not just start a nationwde petition to dissolve the union?


Not quite.

At this point this is a movement to expell Washington DC.

And if this includes building a wall or moat or putting it on a float, then I can endorse this myself.

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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2012, 09:15:49 PM »
Actually it's more than that now, Sirs, up to 39 last I looked. I posted 'em earlier but didn't have a map.

Wow.  Of course, it's not likely to go anywhere, as the WH is the one in charge of "reviewing", and they're not going to allow any area to get out of their control.  But as Bt alluded to, there's enough for a Constitutional Convention.  Hmmmmmmmmmm



Ahh...I see the update that its unanimous now.  I do like the idea of walling off DC....kinda like New York in Kurt Russel's movie, Escape from New York.
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Re: Secession petitions filed in 20 states
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2012, 09:40:26 PM »
Seven states to go.