Secession petitions filed in 20 states

[hnumpah]

Secession petitions filed in 20 states
By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News | The Lookout

In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.
 
States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.
 
The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.
 
Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.
 
An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.
 
From the We the People site:
 
The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.
 
Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.
 
"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html

[Christians4LessGvt]

unfortunately.....for now these petitions are pretty meaningless
but at least it's a start...to kind of set the tone of where we are headed

[Xavier_Onassis]

This will go nowhere.

[BSB]

It's going no where, and it means nothing other than showing how infantile the far right can be.

BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

The same Texans that do not want to share a federal government with Vermont will soon be outnumbered by Texas Democrats who do not want to share a state government with them. Texas and Arizona will become blue states within ten to fifteen years as ratbag rightwingers and teabaggers die off and become increasingly extinct. Then they will resemble pitiful sirs, in California, ruled by Liberals, with nothing to do but to piss and moan in an increasingly whiny fashion.

[BT]

It's going no where, and it means nothing other than showing how infantile the far right can be.

BSB

Depends on how you define far right.

Petition signers could just as easily be libertarians.

Or Classical liberals.

In fact it could be anyone who disapproves of an ever encroaching, ever growing federal government.

The spectrum is broad, to single out on position on the spectrum seems pretty rash, without having knowledge of who is actually signing the petitions.

[BSB]

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? "

Yeah, probably a Liberal.


BSB

[Plane]

This might have a better chance now than it did in 1865.

If the US did split in two , who would get the rust belt, who would get the entitlement burden and who would get the better weather?

Perhaps soon afterwards , the re could be a union formed with the Canadians.

[BT]

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? "

Yeah, probably a Liberal.


BSB

Are you claiming that that specific language is in the petition that 25k Texans signed?

[hnumpah]

Rick Perry doesn't support secession petition on White House website
Posted by CNN's Kevin Liptak

(CNN) – An appeal calling on the federal government to allow Texas to "withdraw from the United States of America" following President Barack Obama's re-election doesn't have the support of the Lone Star State's governor, his office said in a statement Tuesday.
 
"Gov. [Rick] Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it," his press secretary Catherine Frazier wrote in a statement. "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."
 
The petition, which had received nearly 65,000 signatures by mid-morning Tuesday, cites continuing "economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending" as the reason for the proposed secession.
 
"Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government," asserts the petition, which appears on a section of the White House website called "We the People: Your Voice in our Government."
 
The section was designed to allow citizens to voice their concerns and desires for the federal government, and stipulates that if a petition gets enough support, "White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response."
 
The threshold for eliciting a White House response is 25,000 signatures within 30 days, meaning the Texas secession appeal has surpassed the requirements for official administration comment. None has yet been forthcoming.
 
The fine print notes the White House "may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition."
 
A host of other states have similar petitions on the "We the People" section of the White House website, including South Dakota, West Virginia, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Alaska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Utah, Wyoming, California, Ohio, New York, Delaware, Nevada and Arizona.
 
None of those petitions were close to the 25,000-signature requirement for a White House comment.
 
Other petitions on the website take the opposite tack: an appeal to "strip the citizenship from everyone who signed a petition to secede and exile them" had just over 1,000 signatures on Tuesday.
 
While Perry's statement Tuesday pushed back against a possible move to secede, the Lone Star governor has expressed support for such a shift in the past.
 
Speaking to an energetic and angry tea party crowd in Austin in 2009, Perry suggested secession may happen in the future should the federal government not change its fiscal polices.
 
"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
 
During his run for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination, Perry clarified that he never used the word "secession."
 
Texas, America's second biggest state in area and population, was its own nation for 10 years before joining the United States in 1845.
 
In the statement from Perry's office Tuesday, Texas is held an example for the rest of the nation for its fiscal responsibility.
 
"Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper," the statement read.
 
CNN's Alex Mooney contributed to this report.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/13/rick-perry-doesnt-support-secession-petition-on-white-house-website/comment-page-5/

[BT]

Thanks for the post BEAR.

I was unaware folks in California and Pennsylvania had petitions up.

New York, Delaware and Nevada also are represented.

Looks like it isn't just a red state phenomena.

[Christians4LessGvt]

This might have a better chance now than it did in 1865.

You are correct Plane.
Besides simply not having the stomach for 500K deaths again
It absolutely would work much better now than 1865.
Why should people with such different goals be under the same gvt?
And it's only going to get much worse.....
Lets say that XO and BSB are correct and there will not be divided gvt
Lets say it does become 1 party domination
Why should that be accepted?
It certainly would not be acceptable to me.
There need be no animosity.....
I don't want to live under their vision
And they don't want to live under mine.
I dont want to force them under my vision
And hopefully they dont want to force me under their vision.
Lets shake hands...be friends....cooperate when possible
Just not live under the same roof anymore.
Why try to force others to live under your vision?
Let people decide the way they want to live....
If as XO says Texas is over-run with Mexicans....and votes to stay a part of the NannyState...
fine....I'll move to Montana, Utah, Georgia, ect....
where-ever they secede...dont really matter.
As long as I'm free and living with people with a similar vision.
People are trying to do this all over the world right now
After a few hundred years....things change

[hnumpah]

The last I heard, it is up to 35 states now. And Florida and Georgia are close to the 25.000 signature trigger for a response from the White House, and Texas is already past it.

[hnumpah]

Update: 37 states.

I wonder what the White House response will be?

[BT]

37 . Hmmm. That's enough for a constitutional convention.