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Protests Rock Egypt After Morsi Seizes Sweeping New Powers (Obama's Man)

Demonstrators stormed the Muslim Brotherhood HQ in Alexandria, pelt Port Said office with stones, and call for Egyptian president's ouster in Cairo after he is called "pharaoh," the new Mubarak for seizure of new powers.

Egyptians protest in the streets of Alexandria after realizing they were duped into trading one dictator, Murbarak, for a much worse one in Morsi.

Protesters stormed the headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood's party in Alexandria on Friday, throwing chairs and books into the street and setting them alight, after the Egyptian president granted himself sweeping new powers.

Supporters of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and opponents also threw stones at each other near a mosque in the city, Egypt's second largest, a witness said.

Two cars had glass smashed as the clashes moved away from the area.

In Port Said, another port on the Mediterranean, hundreds of protesters gathered outside the Brotherhood?s Freedom and Justice party headquarters and pelted it with rocks. Some tried to storm it but did not enter, another witness said.

In Cairo, thousands demonstrated against the decree issued on Wednesday night.

Morsi called "pharaoh" for seizing new powers

Morsi's decree exempting all his decisions from legal challenge until a new parliament was elected caused fury amongst his opponents on Friday who accused him of being the new Hosni Mubarak and hijacking the revolution.

Morsi's aides said the decree was to speed up a protracted transition that has been hindered by legal obstacles but Morsi's rivals were quick to condemn him as a new autocratic pharaoh who wanted to impose his Islamist vision on Egypt.

"Morsi a "temporary dictator," was the headline in the independent daily Al-Masry Al-Youm and hundreds of protesters in Tahrir Square, the heart of the 2011 anti-Mubarak uprising, demanded Morsi quit, accusing him of launching a "coup".

Buoyed by accolades from around the world for mediating a truce between Hamas and Israel, Morsi on Thursday ordered that an Islamist-dominated assembly writing the new constitution could not be dissolved by legal challenges.

Morsi, an Islamist whose roots are in the Muslim Brotherhood party, also gave himself sweeping powers that allowed him to sack the unpopular general prosecutor and opened the door for a retrial for Mubarak and his aides.

The president's decree aimed to end the logjam and push Egypt, the Arab world's most populous nation, more quickly on its democratic path, the presidential spokesman said.

'President Morsi said we must go out of the bottleneck without breaking the bottle," Yasser Ali told Reuters.

The president said any decrees he issued while no parliament sat could not be challenged, moves that consolidated his powers but look set to polarize Egypt further, threatening more turbulence in a nation at the heart of the Arab Spring.

"The people want to bring down the regime", shouted protesters in Tahrir, echoing one of the chants that was used in the uprising that forced Mubarak to step down.

UN concerned Morsi hurting human rights

The decree is bound to worry Western allies, particularly the United States, a generous benefactor to Egypt's army, which effusively praised Egypt for its part in bringing Israelis and Palestinians to a ceasefire on Wednesday.

The West may become concerned about measures that, for example, undermine judicial independence. But one Western diplomat said it was too early to judge and his nation would watch how the decree was exercised in the coming days.

"We are very concerned about the possible huge ramifications of this declaration on human rights and the rule of law in Egypt," Rupert Colville, spokesman for the UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay, said at the United Nations in Geneva.

"The decree is basically a coup on state institutions and the rule of law that is likely to undermine the revolution and the transition to democracy," Mervat Ahmed, an independent activist in Tahrir protesting against the decree, said. ?I worry Morsi will be another dictator like the one before him.?

Leading liberal politician Mohamed ElBaradei, who joined other politicians on Thursday night to demand the decree was withdrawn, wrote on his Twitter account that Morsi had "usurped all state powers and appointed himself Egypt's new pharaoh'.

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President Obama did not elect Morsi.

Mubarak was doomed and everyone knew it except perhaps Mubarak. Imagine a civil war in Egypt like the one in Syria.

You cannot blame President Obama for Morsi. That is IMBECILIC.
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Mass protests in Eqypt as president awards himself 'powers of a pharoah'

Anger flares across country after President Mohammed Morsi issues decree which puts him 'above judicial oversight'


Opponents respond by burning Brotherhood's offices across the country

Pro-reform leader Mohamed ElBaradei said the decree is a 'major blow to the revolution'
 
By Richard Hartley-parkinson

23 November 2012

Thousands of protesters against the Eqyptian president clashed with police and set fire to the offices of the Muslim Brotherhood today in the biggest and most violent demonstratsions since Mohammed Morsi came to power.

The violence was sparked by the president's decision to give himself sweeping new 'pharoah' powers that put him above judicial oversight.

Mr Morsi's opponents threw molotov cocktails at a police van and set fire to Muslim Brotherhood offices in the Suez Canal cities of Suez, Port Said and Ismailia. Violence also erupted between rival factions across the country.
 

A young man throws stones during a clash in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria
 
Computers and desks are among the being thrown out of windows at the offices of the Freedom and Justice Party

Critics of Morsi accused him of seizing dictatorial powers with the decrees that make him immune to judicial oversight and give him authority to take any steps against 'threats to the revolution' - rules that rights groups say are like 'emergency laws.'
The president spoke before a crowd of his supporters massed in front of his palace and said his edits were necessary to stop a 'minority' that was trying to block the goals of the revolution.
'There are weevils eating away at the nation of Egypt,' he said, pointing to old regime loyalists he accused of using money to fuel instability and to members of the judiciary who work under the 'umbrella' of the courts to 'harm the country'.

But the move has divided the country and people for and against the reforms made by the Islamist president have gathered in places such as Tahrir Square in Cairo and near the presidential palace.
In the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, anti-Morsi crowds attacked Brotherhood backers coming out of a mosque, raining stones and firecrackers on them.

The Brothers held up prayer rugs to protect themselves and the two sides pelted each other with stones and chunks of marble, leaving at least 15 injured. The protesters then stormed a nearby Brotherhood office.

In the capital Cairo, security forces pumped volleys of tear gas at thousands of pro-democracy protesters clashing with riot police on streets several blocks from Tahrir Square.

Tens of thousands of activists massed in Tahrir itself, angered at the decisions by Morsi. Many of them represent Egypt's upper-class, liberal elite, which have largely stayed out of protests in past months but were prominent in the streets during the anti-Muabrak uprising that began Jan. 25, 2011.

Protesters chanted, "Leave, leave" and "Morsi is Mubarak ... Revolution everywhere.'

'We are in a state of revolution. He is crazy of he thinks he can go back to one-man rule," one protester at Tahrir, Sara Khalil, said of Morsi. 'This decision shows how insecure and weak he is because he knows there is no consensus.'

'If the Brotherhood's slogan is "Islam is the solution" ours is "submission is not the solution",' said Khalil, a mass communications professor at the American University in Cairo. 'And this is Islamic because God does not call for submission to another man's will.'
 
President Mohammed Morsi was only elected to the top job a matter of months ago
Riding high on US and international praise for mediating a Gaza cease-fire, the president put himself above oversight and gave protection to the Islamist-led assembly - writing a new constitution from a looming threat of dissolution by court order.

But the move is likely to fuel growing public anger that he and the Muslim Brotherhood are seizing too much power. In what was interpreted by rights activists as a de facto declaration of emergency law, one of Mr Morsi's decrees gave him the power to take 'due measures and steps' to deal with any 'threat' to the revolution, national unity and safety or anything that obstructs the work of state institutions.

He framed his decisions as necessary to protect the revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak nearly two years ago and to cement the nation's transition to democratic rule.
Many activists, including opponents of the Brotherhood, criticise the judiciary as packed with judges and prosecutors sympathetic to Mr Mubarak. Brotherhood supporters accuse the courts of trying to block their agenda.
'He had to act to save the country and protect the course of the revolution,' said one of Mr Morsi's aides, Pakinam al-Sharqawi, speaking on Al-Jazeera.
In a nod to revolutionary sentiment, Mr Morsi also ordered the retrial of Mr Mubarak and top aides on charges of killing protesters during the uprising.
He also created a new 'protection of the revolution' judicial body to swiftly carry out the prosecutions.
But he did not order retrials for lower-level police acquitted of such killings, another widespread popular demand that would disillusion the security forces if carried out.
Liberal politicians immediately criticised the decrees as dictatorial and destined to divide a nation already reeling from months of turmoil following Mr Mubarak's ousting. Some claim they exceeded the powers once enjoyed by the former president.
 

Mock-up: A poster depicts Morsi as a Pharaoh during a rally in Garden City, Cairo

 
Defences: Security forces sit at a blockade in a street leading to the Egyptian parliament and Tahrir Square

'Morsi today usurped all state powers & appointed himself Egypt's new pharaoh,' pro-reform leader Mohamed ElBaradei wrote on Twitter. 'A major blow to the revolution that could have dire consequences.'
Mr ElBaradei later addressed a news conference flanked by other prominent politicians from outside the Brotherhood - including two presidential candidates who ran against Mr Morsi - Amr Moussa and Hamdeen Sabahi.
 
Security and military forces were today deployed outside the key state institutions
They pledged to cooperate to force the president to rescind his assumption of greater powers.
They called for mass protests today to demand the dissolution of the declarations.

The prospect of large rival protests involving Mr Morsi's opponents and supporters in Cairo today raises the likelihood of clashes.
Thousands from the rival camps were already out on the streets of Cairo late yesterday in an increasingly charged atmosphere.
A crowd of Brotherhood supporters massed outside the Supreme Court building and offices of the prosecutor general - whom Mr Morsi removed in Thursday's edict.

In Tahrir Square, hundreds of demonstrators held a fourth straight day of protests against Morsi and the Brotherhood. 'Brotherhood is banned from entry,' declared a large banner at the protest.
The Egyptian leader decreed that all decisions he has made since taking office in June and until a new constitution is adopted and a new parliament is elected cannot be appealed in court or by any other authority. Parliamentary elections are not likely before next spring.
The decree also barred the courts from dissolving the controversy-plagued assembly writing the new constitution. Several courts have been looking into lawsuits demanding the panel be disbanded.
Critics fear Mr Morsi and the Brotherhood are trying to marginalise women and minority Christians, infringe on personal liberties and even give Muslim clerics a say in lawmaking.
Liberal and Christian members withdrew from the assembly during the past week to protest what they say is the hijacking of the process by Mr Morsi's allies.
The president has extended by two months, until February, the deadline for the assembly to produce a draft, apparently to give members more time to iron out their differences.
He also barred any court from dissolving the Islamist-led upper house of parliament, a largely toothless body that has also faced court cases.
 
Criticism: Former Egyptian presidential candidate, Hamdeen Sabahi, left, and Mohamed El Baradei (right), have criticised Mr Morsi's decrees
 
Fears: An Egyptian protester chants slogans and holds a cross and a Quran in Tahrir Square. Many Egyptian Christians fear being marginalised by the Muslim Brotherhood

 
Show of force: Protests were taking place today across Cairo after noon prayers had finished
The president made most of the changes on Thursday in a declaration amending an interim constitution that has been in effect since shortly after Mr Mubarak's fall.
The moves come as Mr Morsi basks in lavish praise from US President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for mediating an end to eight days of fighting between Israel and Gaza's Hamas rulers.

Clinton was in Cairo on Wednesday, when she held extensive talks with Mr Morsi.
Mr Morsi not only holds executive power, he also has legislative authority after a previous court ruling just before he took office on June 30 dissolved the powerful lower house of parliament, which was led by the Brotherhood.

Thursday's decisions were read on state television by his spokesman, Yasser Ali. In a throwback to the days of the authoritarian President Mubarak and his predecessors Anwar Sadat and Gamal Abdel-Nasser, the television followed up with a slew of nationalist songs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237400/Muslim-Brotherhood-offices-set-Egypt-protest-presidents-new-powers-mean-law.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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This makes me appreciative of George Washington.

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George Washington had that unpleasantness with the Whiskey Rebellion, didn't he?

Morsi will succeed or fail according to what happens when the new constitution is in place, I think.

Egypt is very unlike the US and is is silly to compare it to the US.

Egyptians are far less focused on relations with Israel(but most are probably opposed to them) than on the Egyptian economy, which is very heavily dependent on tourism.
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Yes he did.

A few people thought that the revolution was going to releive them from taxation.

When they saw the regulars coming with George Washington in the lead some of them decided that taxes wern't so bad and some of them just moved west and south , hid their stills and are dodging the revenuers ever since.

But George Washington considered himself subject to the law, he had stills himself I suppose he paid his tax.

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Tourism has collapsed as a result of the revolution. Tourists do not want to be caught up in a lawless place just to see some historical sites.

I would say that waiting for the new constitution to see what Morsi will do then would be prudent.It is only three months from now.

And blaming President Obama for the results of an Egyptian election is towering idiocy.
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Lots of Egyptians are faithfull Muslims .

They are presently learning something that we could not have told them even though we know it right well.

You can't demand good religion from your government.

It was a lot of nasty experience that taught that to our founders, in Egypt this nasty experience is going on presently.

I think they have already learned that they don't want a paternalistic government , specially not a highly powered dictator, that is why they are getting loud.

The next iteration of elections will face a greater common knoledge.

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They may want a government that you think is paternalistic, but the present problem is that Egypt has a huge number of jobless young people who are protesting because Morsy seems inclined to punish protesters from protesting.

Although I am certainly opposed to rule by decree, it is also true that Egyptians do not think like Americans, have a totally different history from Americans, and there is a chance that when the new constitution is put in place in February, things might quiet down. The main problem at present the Egyptian economy is in a terrible state because tourists have quit coming due to previous protests, and will not recover until the protests end.

Europeans are also in a sort of recession, and make up a large share of tourists to Egypt as well.

I do not think people elected Morsy to "demand good religion": many Muslims wanted an end to the persecution of the members of the Muslim Brotherhood. Christians want a continuation of government tolerance of Christianity, which they had under Mubarak.

Egypt is a very complex country and Egyptian culture is a mixture of many influences, some of which have been in opposition to one another for centuries: Muslim vs. Coptic Christian, Educated vs uneducated, city vs country, landlords vs tenants, very rich vs. very poor, young vs old,modern and technical vs.ancient and traditional. I hardly think it makes sense to claim that Egypt is a mess because President Obama did not keep 80 years old Mubarak in power. How could any US president do that in a country of 90 million people?  How could President Obama have forced the election of Morsy? The answer is that all he did was to prevent a bloodier transition by seconding the views of the more enlightened members of the Egyptian Army that was keeping Morsy in power. It was the wise thing to do.

Morsy is President of Egyptians because  more Egyptians chose him in what seem to have been the fairest elections in Egyptian history. I don't think I would support a guy like Morsy to lead my country, but I think that what we need to do is simply wait and see what the Egyptians choose to do. It is their country, after all.

The idea that a majority of Egyptians are likely to support a pro-Zionist,pro Netanyahu settlement in Palisrael is totally absurd.
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Who gets Preaident Obamas approval right now?

Morsi just said that his improved power is temporary and the Muslim Brotherhood is planning a huge supportive rally on Tuesday.

There ought at least be a bit of chiding.

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President Obama does not need to approve of anyone. At most, he should limit himself to advocating the release of dissidents that get arrested formerly protesting. It is best for the US to appear that it is not some sort of puppetmaster of anyone in Egypt. If after February things get oppressive, the policy can change.

Egypt needs peace, because Egypt needs tourists.

Egypt depends mostly on tourism for foreign exchange. Over the years, I have bought a very few Egyptian products. A couple of shirts, several bottles of fruit jam and a pair of  suede chukka boots.

The shirts were cheap and comfortable, the jam was okay and edible, the boots disintegrated when I put them. The sole was black rubber and detached itself from the upper as I walked to my car. I am not sure that I can blame shoddy workmanship all that much,because I have no idea how old they were. I bought them used at the Hillel House Thrift Store, a Jewish charity. Still, shoes should not disintegrate.I think I paid $6.00 or so for them.

Egyptians,in my opinion, should take out ads  in Cat Fancy magazine and push really nice statues of Bastet, the ancient cat god. Cat people really like stuff like that. They need Bastet cat food dishes, Bastet Tee shirts, personalized dishes with your cat's name in hieroglyphs,anything cat related. I suspect that they do not do this, because they oppose idolatry, and Islam dislikes images of people and animals.

If they don't do this, it is only a matter of time before someone in China does it.
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Indeed, can there be copyright protection for anchient mythology figures?

These things will probly be made in China anyway , if they really sell.

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I think that being authentically Egyptian would be pretty much essential in this case. I doubt that phony Egyptian statues made in China would sell very well.

No one wants to wave a US flag with a "Made in China" label,for the same reason.

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Let me look.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/middle-east-work/egyptian-artifacts-made-china


The Author agrees with you that the authentic souvenier would be a local made article, but he found a lot of "Made in China" in the Cairo bazaar.

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Actually I was talking about Bastet the Cat God statues to be sold here in the US. If I were in Egypt buying random souvenirs, I could buy a tiny pyramid, remove the sticker and give it to someone back home. If I were buying it from a magazine ad or online and discovered that it was NOT made in Egypt as promised (and they would have to promise this),I would get ticked off and return it, as would most cat fanciers and people buying gifts for them.
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