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Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« on: December 04, 2012, 07:19:36 PM »
Assad's chemical weapons units head out of Damascus toward Aleppo

DEBKAfile Special Report

December 4, 2012


Syrian chemical weapons

As NATO in Brussels gave the go-ahead Tuesday night, Dec. 4, for the deployment of Patriot surface-to-air missiles to protect Turkey against Syrian missiles, debkafile's military and intelligence sources reported that convoys of the Syrian army's chemical weapons units headed out of Damascus under cover of dark and turned north up the road to Aleppo. Their destination is not yet known.

The convoys were ferrying self-propelled cannons for firing shells loaded with poisonous sarin gas.
Syrian President Bashar Assad had evidently decided to ignore the warnings President Barack Obama issued Monday night that there would be consequences if he or anyone in Syria resorted to chemical warfare and each would be held accountable.

Our sources report that the Syrian ruler is aparently gambling dangerously on the Americans holding back from attacking the convoys as long as they deploy unconventional weapons, and would only react when they are used.

He is also taking advantage of the heavy winds, rain and cloud over this part of the eastern Mediterranean and counting on the weather to obstruct military operations against his chemical weapons units.

By the time the weather clears some time Thursday, the units will be in place in battle formation. Meanwhile, bombing the convoys in windy weather could cause the deadly gas to spread out of control in unpredictable directions. 

In Brussels, a NATO official announced that the alliance had agreed to augment Turkey?s air-defense capabilities by deploying Patriot missiles to Turkey.

debkafile's military sources report that by the time the missiles arrive, the Syrian chemical weapons units will almost certainly have reached their pre-planned positions. Furthermore, the Patriot air defense systems are not designed to counter artillery and would therefore be unable to stop shells loaded with poison gas.

debkafile reported earlier Tuesday, Dec. 4.
US forces in the region, Israel, Turkey and Jordan were all braced  Monday night, Dec. 3 for action against Syria in case Syrian President Bashar Assad ordered his army's chemical warfare units to go into action against rebel and civilian targets his own country. None of the Middle East capitals are talking openly about this eventuality to avoiding causing panic.

However, oblique references to the peril and preparations for action came from US officials during Monday. White House spokesman Jay Carney said: "We have an increased concern about the possibility of the regime taking the desperate act of using its chemical weapons."  Such a move "would cross a red line for the United States."

Without going into specifics, Carney added: "We think it is important to prepare for all scenarios. Contingency planning is the responsible thing to do."

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Prague was slightly more specific: Syrian action on chemical weapons remains a "red line" for the Obama administration, she said, and "would prompt action from the United States."

Regarding contingencies, debkafile's military sources report that the American force in Jordan and Jordanian units, who have been training for two months in tactics against Syrian chemical warfare units, are on a high state of preparedness. So, too, are the three special US command centers set up in Turkey, Jordan and Israel for coordinating such operations.

An American official "with knowledge of the situation" told Wired Magazine that "engineers working for the Assad regime in Syria have begun combining the two chemical precursors needed to weaponize sarin gas."

Anchored opposite the Syrian shore is the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group with 2,500 Marines. Facing it is the Russian Black Sea Fleet's naval task force which too has hundreds of marines on its decks.

debkafile's sources quote high-ranking officers in the Israel Defense Forces? Northern Command as saying: "The coming hours and days are extremely critical for Syria. The situation on our northern front could blow up any moment." They did not elaborate.

Later Monday, as the United Nations regional humanitarian coordinator for Syria, Radhouane Nouicer announced the pullout of nonessential international staff "because of the security situation," Secretary Clinton flew into Brussels from Prague to discuss with NATO foreign ministers the deployment of Patriot anti-missile batteries at 10 points on the Turkish-Syrian border - a massive number.

NATO sources took note of the Syrian Foreign Ministry's reply to the spreading reports. He said that the government "would not use chemical weapons, if it had them, against its own people under any circumstances." This statement carried no promise about using such weapons against external forces, whether American, Turkish, Jordanian or Israeli.

In Istanbul, meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters at the end of his one-day visit: "What we are concerned about is Syria's future. We don't want the same mistakes to be repeated in the near future." He went on to say: "We shall remember how some regimes supported the militants in Libya and how the situation ended with the killing of the American ambassador in Libya."

This was meant by the Russian president as a warning to the US not to get involved in the Syrian crisis as it did in Libya.

http://www.debka.com/article/22583/Assad?s-chemical-weapons-units-head-out-of-Damascus-toward-Aleppo
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2012, 09:10:25 PM »
Is there heavy wind?

Even the most potent nerve agent is much less dangerous in high winds and in heavy rain is almost inerted.

If the Syrians plan to use chemical agents , and know what they are doing , they must use the appropriate weather condition.

The best conditions for useing poison gas are also pretty good flying weather.

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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 09:46:36 AM »
Assad will not dare to use this.

Assad is like the GOP, he is doomed and refuses to accept it.
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 10:26:02 AM »
Assad is like the GOP, he is doomed and refuses to accept it.
Oh boy I can't wait to see Obama help get rid of Assad
and the wonderful replacements that will replace Assad!
See video below of guys Obama is helping!

Syrian 'Rebels' Execute Civilians

(WARNING GRAPHIC) 5 DAYS AGO SYRIAN REBELS EXECUTE PRISONERS

Amateur video shows Syria rebels massacring 'Assad loyalists'
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2012, 11:04:15 AM »
USS Eisenhower aircraft carrier arrives off Syrian shore

DEBKAfile Special Report

December 5, 2012


The USS Eisenhower in a lightning storm

The USS Eisenhower Strike Group transited the Suez Canal from the Persian Gulf Saturday,
Dec. 1, sailing up to the Syrian coast Tuesday in a heavy storm, with 8 fighter bomber squadrons of Air Wing Seven on its decks and 8,000 sailors, airmen and Marines.

The USS Eisenhower group joins the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group which carries 2,500 Marines. 

Facing Syria now are 10,000 US fighting men, 70 fighter-bombers and at least 17 warships, including the three Iwo Jima amphibious craft, a guided missile cruiser and 10 destroyers and frigates. Four of these vessels are armed with Aegis missile interceptors.

This mighty US armada brings immense pressure to bear on the beleaguered Assad regime after it survied an almost two-year buffeting by an armed uprising. Its presence indicates that the United States now stands ready for direct military intervention in the Syrian conflict when the weather permits.

Left behind in the Persian Gulf is just one US aircraft carrier, the USS Stennis and its strike group.

Welcoming NATO?s decision Tuesday, Dec. 4, to deploy Patriot missile batteries in Turkey, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Wednesday: "The protection from NATO will be three dimensional; one is the short-range Patriots, the second is the middle-range Terminal High Altitude Air Defense [THAD] system and the last is the AEGIS system, which counters missiles that can reach outside the atmosphere."

debkafile's military sources: While the Patriot is land-based and will be deployed on the Turkish-Syrian border, the THAD and the Aegis have just reached the Syrian coast aboard the USS Eisenhower strike group.

"With this integrated system," said Davutoglu, Turkey will have maximum protection."

He added: "The Syrian regime has 700 missiles," and their location, storage method and holders are no secret to Ankara. This was the first time Ankara had made threats to destroy Syrian missiles, including any carrying chemical warheads.


http://www.debka.com/article/22586/USS-Eisenhower-aircraft-carrier-arrives-off-Syrian-shore
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 05:25:57 PM »
So, you prefer Assad to any of the rebels?

Or perhaps you and Debkafiles  are waiting for the "pro-Zionist" rebels to take over the movement.
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 06:26:06 PM »
So, you prefer Assad to any of the rebels?

XO to be honest, as I have stated numerous times previously I don't know who I prefer.
No doubt Assad is a monster....but there can be worse monsters.
Who knows....maybe Obama has the plan I've talked about in the past.
Dont invade these countries...just bomb them to kingdom come
and if a bad guy replaces the previous bad guy
we can just bomb "the new bad guy" down the road...
maybe the thinking is "keep them in chaos"
and that way they cant do want Iran is doing...
spreading revolution and trying to point nukes at us and Israel
i guess we'll see if Libya and Syria become more or less of a threat to world peace
we now know Iran after the Shah has become more of a threat to world peace.
The people in Egypt had a monster...were happy to get rid of him,
but now tens of thousands of them are already mad as hell at the new guy!


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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 07:46:28 PM »
There is no reason to bomb anyone. You sure like to bomb people. Perhaps you lack the imagination to realize what it might be like to be bombed.

Iran is not doing anything, other than making pronouncements and providing a few dangerous toys to Hamas.What the US and the rest of the world is doing to Iran is much, much worse.

Note that we bombed North Vietnam and Cambodia and that did not stop them.

Both Koreas were almost totally destroyed and neither is today without influence in the world.

We do not know who might end up controlling Syria. It is pretty clear that they will not be pals of the Israelis, who have stolen Syrian territory in Golan.

Israel has decided to glom yet more of the West Bank, splitting it in two pieces. THEY are also contributing to world strife, as nearly every country in the UN has realized, except for the US, Canada the Czechs and (snicker) Palau and Micronesia.

And we send millions to help them do it.
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 11:41:27 PM »
There is no reason to bomb anyone. You sure like to bomb people.
Perhaps you lack the imagination to realize what it might be like to be bombed.

So why then did Bill Clinton bomb Kosevo/Yugo?
Did President Clinton "like bombing people"?
So why did Obama bomb Libya?
Did President Obama "like bombing people"?
Or do you just demonize people that are not Democrats that support bombing enemies?
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2012, 12:50:53 AM »
You have been jabbering about bombing Iran for a really long time. It would not stop Iran from producing a bomb,and would almost certainly turn the Iranian people who are more fed up every day with the ayatollahs and their incompetence against the US and make them favor acquiring a nuke to prevent more bombing.
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2012, 09:51:55 AM »
And CU4numbnuts puts up another picture of an aircraft carrier.

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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2012, 09:54:34 AM »
"Christians" affection for pictures of military hardware is rather like Linus's affection for the Great Pumpkin to those of us who know his habits.
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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2012, 10:11:37 AM »
And CU4numbnuts puts up another picture of an aircraft carrier. BSB

welcome back to the party mr bi-polar!

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Re: Will the Syrian Powder-Keg Explode in the coming days?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2012, 02:24:12 PM »
Your assignment for tonight, Cu4fiveyearolds, is to draw a picture of a big helicopter with a lot of guns on it. And your mommy and daddy can't help you. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2012, 02:30:13 PM »
Great example in how to "debate"      ::)
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