Let's have that school safer conversation

[Xavier_Onassis]

The federal government is not in charge of this country's schools. The federal government is not going to pay for armed guards in every school in this country. This simply WILL NOT HAPPEN, no matter how much you hate "Islamists".

It would be a lot easier to prevent crazy people from obtaining firearms, and cheaper as well.

This sort of thing is exceedingly rare in other countries and they do not have armed guards in the schools.

[sirs]

Leave it to ....well, "the left" for immediately saying something can't be paid for by the Federal Government, when i goes against the ideological mainframe, when they push every fricken program possible, to be paid for by the Federal Government. 

Of course the issue here is
a) no one is saying it must be paid for by the Fed
b) its a state issue/responsibilty
c) its an OPTION, so if schools don't want to budget for the added safety, they don't have to.  And let the lawsuits follow for those jurisdictions that chose to .... pay for other things......like pensions and vice principals

[Xavier_Onassis]

Teachers pensions are generally paid for by the states. They are not all that generous as it is. Now sirs wants to make hard working teachers pay for the result of too many guns and too many crazy people packing heat.

There is NO CHANCE that every state will pay for armed guards in every school. There is little chance that even one will.

This is simply NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. It would cost far less to have a database to identify people who should be denied firearms,and would be less effective as well.

[sirs]

What part of option are you not grasping?? 

Not to mention it would be far less costly, not to mention far less bureacracy, to hire trained guards carrying concealed, vs some major database, that denies firearms, based on....what?, that YOU yourself claimed is not the Federal Government's responsibility, as it relates to school safety

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is logically going to be far cheaper to prevent crazy people from buying firearms than to hire something like 15,000 armed guards and to put them on the payroll forever.

Only schools on the planet sirs are going to hire guards.

[Plane]

I don't think strong measures of gun controll will not be anything like cheap. There would need to be a tremendous growth of the BATF and they would have to be very busy.

Guards do not necessacerily make all that much money , and school staff that could be trained ,is already hired.

[Christians4LessGvt]

The federal government is not going to pay for armed guards in every school in this country.
There is NO CHANCE that every state will pay for armed guards in every school.
There is little chance that even one will.

Once again XO you are completely out of touch with the American People.
Latest Gallup Poll says 87% of the American People think police at schools is a huge part of the answer.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159422/stop-shootings-americans-focus-police-mental-health.aspx

[Plane]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/authorities-crack-down-copycat-threats-newtown-210709195.html

The amount of copycat behavior depends somewhat on how the coverage is handled in the media.

Are we willing to institute censorship , or would the media be willing to edit itself?

I am not sure it would help , how can an experiment be conducted without hurting someone?

[sirs]

It is logically going to be far cheaper to prevent crazy people from buying firearms than to hire something like 15,000 armed guards and to put them on the payroll forever.

Logic doesn't follow your scenario, when you can't identify HOW you determine/quantify who's "crazy", and who's not.  Adding level after level of bureaucracy, including physicians who then have to take responsibility of signing off on who is and who isn't "crazy", and when they no longer are "crazy".  You're advocating a bureaucratic nightmare which does NOTHING in prventing a "crazy" person from illegally aquiring what he needs.  Logic also doesn't follow your scenario when you consider the ever growing government YOU yourself have referenced in you don't care how big it gets, so what's more employees to you, especially since its both at the statelevel and OPTIONAL

Only schools on the planet sirs are going to hire guards.

At least my kids will be far more protected & safer, while keeping the rights of those who still wish and legally able to carry a weapon, whole.  I'll take that planet over Planet Oppressive, every day of the week

[kimba1]

well maybe limited censorship. did the news give detail how to effectively commit such crime? I remember kansas city had alot of info on bomb making. true anyone can on thier own find that detail but not have it broadcast does lower availability.

humans by nature is a lazy . so a little prevention can do very much. ex. look how little we got terrorist attack despite how lacking our security is . people constantly poke holes at it. but it works.

[Plane]

There is a risk that if we give up a part of the first admendment , tha tthe government will continue to take more.

I think tho that I don't have to reward media that has habits I don't approve of.

[Xavier_Onassis]

That is what is called the "Slippery Slope" argument, a common logical fallacy.

[Plane]

That is what is called the "Slippery Slope" argument, a common logical fallacy.

I would have called it the camels nose , a well known truism.

[kimba1]

It's tricky like embeded reporter giving out troop locations. It happens but does the reporter cry 1amendment?

[Plane]

This is the best blog post I have read on this subject so far.

It is a little long , and severely slanted in favor of the second admendmendment.

But it covers everything, and the writer has convincing credentials.

The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/