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As Orwellian as it sounds, it's no longer hypothetical
« on: February 18, 2013, 08:46:36 PM »
Misstep in gun bill could defeat the effort
One of the major gun-control efforts in Olympia this session calls for the sheriff to inspect the homes of assault-weapon owners. The bill’s backers say that was a mistake.
By Danny Westneat
Seattle Times staff columnist


Forget police drones flying over your house. How about police coming inside, once a year, to have a look around?

As Orwellian as that sounds, it isn’t hypothetical. The notion of police home inspections was introduced in a bill last week in Olympia.

That it’s part of one of the major gun-control efforts pains me. It seemed in recent weeks lawmakers might be headed toward some common-sense regulation of gun sales. But then last week they went too far. By mistake, they claim. But still too far.

“They always say, we’ll never go house to house to take your guns away. But then you see this, and you have to wonder.”

That’s no gun-rights absolutist talking, but Lance Palmer, a Seattle trial lawyer and self-described liberal who brought the troubling Senate Bill 5737 to my attention. It’s the long-awaited assault-weapons ban, introduced last week by three Seattle Democrats.

Responding to the Newtown school massacre, the bill would ban the sale of semi-automatic weapons that use detachable ammunition magazines. Clips that contain more than 10 rounds would be illegal.

But then, with respect to the thousands of weapons like that already owned by Washington residents, the bill says this:

“In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall ... safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”

In other words, come into homes without a warrant to poke around. Failure to comply could get you up to a year in jail.

“I’m a liberal Democrat — I’ve voted for only one Republican in my life,” Palmer told me. “But now I understand why my right-wing opponents worry about having to fight a government takeover.”

He added: “It’s exactly this sort of thing that drives people into the arms of the NRA.”

I have been blasting the NRA for its paranoia in the gun-control debate. But Palmer is right — you can’t fully blame them, when cops going door-to-door shows up in legislation.

I spoke to two of the sponsors. One, Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, a lawyer who typically is hyper-attuned to civil-liberties issues, said he did not know the bill authorized police searches because he had not read it closely before signing on.

“I made a mistake,” Kline said. “I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”

That lawmakers sponsor bills they haven’t read is common. Still, it’s disappointing on one of this political magnitude. Not counting a long table, it’s only an eight-page bill.

The prime sponsor, Sen. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, also condemned the search provision in his own bill, after I asked him about it. He said Palmer is right that it’s probably unconstitutional.

“I have to admit that shouldn’t be in there,” Murray said.

He said he came to realize that an assault-weapons ban has little chance of passing this year anyway. So he put in this bill more as “a general statement, as a guiding light of where we need to go.” Without sweating all the details.

Later, a Senate Democratic spokesman blamed unnamed staff and said a new bill will be introduced.

Murray had alluded at a gun-control rally in January that progress on guns could take years.

“We will only win if we reach out and continue to change the hearts and minds of Washingtonians,” Murray said. “We can attack them, or start a dialogue.” (sounds like a good suggestion for a pair of saloon posters)

Good plan, very bad start. What’s worse, the case for the perfectly reasonable gun-control bills in Olympia just got tougher

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"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: As Orwellian as it sounds, it's no longer hypothetical
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 09:08:49 PM »
It's not like you or anyone NEEDS an assault rifle. I really doubt that this bill would pass, but it sure would not bother me.
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Re: As Orwellian as it sounds, it's no longer hypothetical
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 09:28:31 PM »
This is already the case for Class III license holders who purchased fully automatic weapons and keep them in their home. The feds can come in anytime, day or night, to check.

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Re: As Orwellian as it sounds, it's no longer hypothetical
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 09:42:32 PM »
This is already the case for Class III license holders who purchased fully automatic weapons and keep them in their home. The feds can come in anytime, day or night, to check.

BSB

So the camels nose is already in the tent.
Eventually OSHA will make your home as safe as they make your work,
in the same way, manditory inspections that they call volentary.

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Re: As Orwellian as it sounds, it's no longer hypothetical
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 09:44:32 PM »
http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CDA4HBEJ82%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1018&page=1

DENVER (AP) — Limits on the size of ammunition magazines and universal background checks passed the Colorado House on Monday, during a second day of emotional debates that has drawn attention from the White House as lawmakers try to address recent mass shootings.

The bills were among four that the Democratic-controlled House passed amid strong resistance from Republicans, who were joined by a few Democrats to make some of the votes close.

The proposed ammunition restrictions limit magazines to 15 rounds for firearms, and eight for shotguns. Three Democrats joined all Republicans voting no on the bill, but the proposal passed 34-31.

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Re: As Orwellian as it sounds, it's no longer hypothetical
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 10:13:59 PM »
This is already the case for Class III license holders who purchased fully automatic weapons and keep them in their home. The feds can come in anytime, day or night, to check.

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Weapons that are banned from the rest of us without such a hard to acquire license.  This opens the door to a vast array of pseudo-assault weapons.  For now....then it'll become a need to monitor everyone with semi-automatic weapons of any kind.  And then, well hell, we're already monitoring so many, let's just make it every gun owner.  I mean, its for the children, and their safety, doncha know

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It's not like you or anyone NEEDS an assault rifle. I really doubt that this bill would pass, but it sure would not bother me.

No surprise there.  Yea, no hard core liberal here....move along
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Re: As Orwellian as it sounds, it's no longer hypothetical
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 10:45:43 PM »
There was a town in GA, might have been Covington or Conyers that wanted to allow housing inspectors to inspect any rental property at any time day or night with no prior notification. This was at the urging of a minority member of council, who wanted to put a hurt to slumlords, until he was reminded that these building inspectors likely want to be accompanied by law enforcement in case of trouble, and the residents of these dwellings were often poor and often minority and as such were subject to arrest if contraband was found on the site at the time of inspection. I am pretty sure at that point the motion or ordinance was reconsidered, due to the law of unintended consequences.