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sirs

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Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« on: February 22, 2013, 10:37:34 PM »
Evan Todd’s open letter to Obama
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Mr. President,

As a student who was shot and wounded during the Columbine massacre, I have a few thoughts on the current gun debate. In regards to your gun control initiatives:

Universal Background Checks
First, a universal background check will have many devastating effects. It will arguably have the opposite impact of what you propose. If adopted, criminals will know that they can not pass a background check legally, so they will resort to other avenues. With the conditions being set by this initiative, it will create a large black market for weapons and will support more criminal activity and funnel additional money into the hands of thugs, criminals, and people who will do harm to American citizens.

Second, universal background checks will create a huge bureaucracy that will cost an enormous amount of tax payers dollars and will straddle us with more debt. We cannot afford it now, let alone create another function of government that will have a huge monthly bill attached to it.

Third, is a universal background check system possible without universal gun registration? If so, please define it for us. Universal registration can easily be used for universal confiscation. I am not at all implying that you, sir, would try such a measure, but we do need to think about our actions through the lens of time.

It is not impossible to think that a tyrant, to the likes of Mao, Castro, Che, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and others, could possibly rise to power in America. It could be five, ten, twenty, or one hundred years from now — but future generations have the natural right to protect themselves from tyrannical government just as much as we currently do. It is safe to assume that this liberty that our forefathers secured has been a thorn in the side of would-be tyrants ever since the Second Amendment was adopted.

Ban on Military-Style Assault Weapons
The evidence is very clear pertaining to the inadequacies of the assault weapons ban. It had little to no effect when it was in place from 1994 until 2004. It was during this time that I personally witnessed two fellow students murder twelve of my classmates and one teacher. The assault weapons ban did not deter these two murderers, nor did the other thirty-something laws that they broke.

Gun ownership is at an all time high. And although tragedies like Columbine and Newtown are exploited by ideologues and special-interest lobbying groups, crime is at an all time low. The people have spoken. Gun store shelves have been emptied. Gun shows are breaking attendance records. Gun manufacturers are sold out and back ordered. Shortages on ammo and firearms are countrywide. The American people have spoken and are telling you that our Second Amendment shall not be infringed.

10-Round Limit for Magazines
Virginia Tech was the site of the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history. Seung-Hui Cho used two of the smallest caliber hand guns manufactured and a handful of ten round magazines. There are no substantial facts that prove that limited magazines would make any difference at all.

Second, this is just another law that endangers law-abiding citizens. I’ve heard you ask, “why does someone need 30 bullets to kill a deer?”

Let me ask you this: Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens? Under this policy, criminals will still have their 30-round magazines, but the average American will not. Whose side are you on?
Lastly, when did they government get into the business of regulating “needs?” This is yet another example of government overreaching and straying from its intended purpose.

Selling to Criminals
Mr. President, these are your words: “And finally, Congress needs to help, rather than hinder, law enforcement as it does its job. We should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. And we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this.”

Why don’t we start with Eric Holder and thoroughly investigate the Fast and Furious program?

Furthermore, the vast majority of these mass murderers bought their weapons legally and jumped through all the hoops —  because they were determined to murder. Adding more hoops and red tape will not stop these types of people. It doesn’t now — so what makes you think it will in the future? Criminals who cannot buy guns legally just resort to the black market.

Criminals and murderers will always find a way.

Critical Examination
Mr. President, in theory, your initiatives and proposals sound warm and fuzzy — but in reality they are far from what we need. Your initiatives seem to punish law-abiding American citizens and enable the murderers, thugs, and other lowlifes who wish to do harm to others.

Let me be clear: These ideas are the worst possible initiatives if you seriously care about saving lives and also upholding your oath of office. There is no dictate, law, or regulation that will stop bad things from happening — and you know that. Yet you continue to push the rhetoric. Why?

You said, “If we can save just one person it is worth it.” Well here are a few ideas that will save more that one individual:

First, forget all of your current initiatives and 23 purposed executive orders. They will do nothing more than impede law-abiding citizens and breach the intent of the Constitution. Each initiative steals freedom, grants more power to an already-overreaching government, and empowers and enables criminals to run amok.

Second, press Congress to repeal the “Gun Free Zone Act.” Don’t allow America’s teachers and students to be endangered one-day more. These parents and teachers have the natural right to defend themselves and not be looked at as criminals. There is no reason teachers must disarm themselves to perform their jobs. There is also no reason a parent or volunteer should be disarmed when they cross the school line.

This is your chance to correct history and restore liberty. This simple act of restoring freedom will deter would-be murderers and for those who try, they will be met with resistance.

Mr. President, do the right thing, restore freedom, and save lives. Show the American people that you stand with them and not with thugs and criminals.

Respectfully,
Severely Concerned Citizen, Evan M. Todd
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 12:25:46 AM »
More guns in more places will make it allll better.

What stupidity!
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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 12:27:52 AM »
What facts!
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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2013, 02:46:33 AM »
You forgot an URL. Here, I found it:

http://www.garbage-can.com


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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 03:00:34 AM »
Give me a couple boxes of that Old Timey Small Gov'ment with that AR15, would yah?

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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 03:53:51 AM »
To coin a phrase of Xo,

What stupidity!

Nice to see what compassion & understanding YOU have for shooting victims, such as Evan Todd.  When you're ready to re-enter the realm of rational discussion, please give us a heads-up, would yah?  Don't worry, I'll keep my ARhetoric-15 pointed down, with my finger off the trigger

Just be thankful you're not a South African bathroom door.  It's open season on them, from what I hear
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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 11:03:22 AM »
Yeah, sure, because someone is a victim and has an opinion, that means that anyone who does not agree with them has no compassion. Typical sirs stupidity.

Again: no gun, no one gets shot.
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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2013, 11:27:22 AM »
Again, Xo, completely missing the point (no surprise there, but you gotta love the irony, when the left tries to pull the same thing)

Again, no one pulls the trigger, no one gets shot.  Pathalogic crazed killer doesn't get access to gun, no one gets shot
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2013, 01:36:02 PM »
I'm riding into Dodge City today. Does anyone know if Wyatt Earp still keeps your gun while you're in town?

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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2013, 01:37:35 PM »
the part I question is cost, shouldn`t gun sales have taxes to cover it? in all these talks . i have never heard anyone saying owning a gun is costly. meaning money is not a deterent to gun sales. why is the government not going for it?

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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 01:52:58 PM »
This is an interesting tangent, Kimba.  My question to you, is why should cost be a "deterrent"?  Is that what you're advocating? 

To answer your question, there's absolutely a cost to owning a firearm.  Not only are the better knows brands, such as Sig Sauer & Glock, expensive to purchase, they are taxed like any other item, adding to that cost, not to mention the bureaucray one must go thru in purchasing, including whatever mandatory safety classes some location may require, which adds to the cost both financially and mentally.  Then you add the mounds of ammunition purchased for whatever particular weapon you have, in order to practice with, which is also taxed

There's plenty there to deter the law abiding citizen from chosing to purchase a firearm.  For the law breaker, not so much
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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2013, 09:35:14 PM »
Yeah, sure, because someone is a victim and has an opinion, that means that anyone who does not agree with them has no compassion. Typical sirs stupidity.

Again: no gun, no one gets shot.

Is that the point?

Was violent death any less common before the invention of guns?

Was violent death , including shooting, any less common before the advent of repeating firearms?

As more and more guns flood our country violent death is on a percapata plunge.

How could it be otherwise?

Preditors pick the weak.

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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2013, 09:54:58 AM »
Preditors pick the weak.

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If the predator in question (a) is an animal, and (b) seeks to lunch on the victim, this is true. Shooters do not shoot 7-11 and liquor store clerks because they are weak: they do it for the money.
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Re: Ouch...when an emotion driven agenda backfires
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2013, 10:59:46 AM »
Funny you mention7-11 since they are to goto place to rob. The company does know it happens but so far thier s no visable mean they made any provisions to potect the clerks.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2013, 11:15:50 AM »
Did I manage to answer your question about cost, Kimba?
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