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Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« on: April 16, 2013, 07:26:31 PM »
Be interesting to see how this plays out, and the actual facts of the event.  Much like the Zimmerman fiasco, I think the "authorities" are going to see quote the blowback

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A decorated war veteran on a Boy Scout hike with his 15-year-old son was arrested alongside a Texas country road after a police officer accused him of “rudely displaying” a firearm.

Army Master Sgt. C.J. Grisham told Fox News he was illegally disarmed by members of the Temple Police Dept. - even though he held the proper permits to carry his weapons.

Grisham and his son were on a 10-mile hike in a rural area populated by wild boars and cougars. He was carrying an AR-15 rifle and a .45 caliber pistol.

He was charged with resisting arrest - even though video his son filmed of the incident clearly showed that Grisham did not resist arrest. Police later reduced the charges to interfering with a peace officer while performing a duty - a class B misdemeanor.

“I’m still frankly and honestly 100 percent confused about what I’m being charged with,” Grisham said.

Temple Police told local media that the Fort Hood soldier refused to hand of his weapon - leading to his arrest. However, the video shows that Grisham complied with their demands.

One of the officers told Grisham that anyone holding a gun is considered dangerous, according to a 15-minute video obtained by Fox News.

“In this day and age people are alarmed when they see someone with what you have,” one of the officers told a handcuffed Grisham. “They don’t care what the law is.”

At one point in the video Grisham asked the officers why they failed to ask to see his carry and conceal permit.

The video shows the arresting officer telling the Fort Hood soldier that he was "rudely displaying" the AR-15.

Grisham, who is a “huge Constitutionalist,” then asked the officer if he cared what the law is.

“The easy wrong would have been to surrender my rights and allow the cops to disarm me,” he said. “That’s the easy wrong to me. The hard right is putting ourselves on the line knowing that something could happen.”

Grisham told Fox News he plans on fighting the charges and suing the police department for what he considered to be an illegal arrest and violating his Constitutional rights.

“For the first time in my life, I had to sit in jail,” he said. “I’ve never been in jail -- never been accused of a crime. I was treated like a street thug.”

A pre-trial hearing has been set for May 29th.

Grisham, a well-known military blogger, is a decorated veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He’s served in the military for more than 18 years and was awarded the Bronze Star with Valor. But he came under fire within the military for a blog posting that was critical of President Obama. Columnist Michelle Malkin once wrote about Grisham's plight.

The master sergeant, his wife and their three children live on a farm in Temple -- about two miles from where he was arrested.

Grisham’s trouble with the law started in mid-March. His son Chris was working on one of the final merit badges he needed to become an Eagle Scout. Chris had chosen hiking.

Father and son grabbed their gear and headed out on a blustery Saturday morning to hike about 10 miles. They were midway through the trip when Grisham turned around and saw a police car.

“At that point I heard him tell us to hold on a second and he motioned for me and my son to come back,” Grisham said. “He didn’t have his lights on. Everything was calm and casual. He asked what we were doing.”

Grisham had his AR-15 slung around the front of his body -- a rifle he’s been using since he joined the military.

At some point the officer pulled his pistol on the father and son and grabbed Grisham’s AR-15.

“He slammed me onto the hood of the car,” he said. “I had my hands straight up and that’s when I saw our camera - and turned it on.”

For the next 15 minutes, Grisham’s son recorded the entire incident.

“I wanted to make sure that we had everything on film,” he said. “Everything that happened that day was manufactured by the police officer. We weren’t out there to make a statement. Our intention was to hike 10 miles and go home.”

By all indications, Grisham was arrested just because he was legally carrying his firearms.

And as bad as he was treated, Grisham said he is furious over how the police treated his son.

Chris followed his dad’s instructions to keep the videotape going -- even though it’s clear the incident took an emotional toll on the boy. As the officers put Grisham in the back of the car, the video picked up sounds of Chris crying.

The officers told Grisham they would take the boy home.

“I told him not to answer any questions,” Grisham said. “I told him not to answer a single question until his mother was there -- and she would answer the questions for him.”

But that’s not what happened.

Chris told Fox News that the police officer refused to let him out of the car until he answered a series of questions. The boy had not been arrested.

“The officer told me that I wasn’t getting out of the patrol car until I answered his questions,” Chris said. “He said I didn’t have a choice. I was scared.”

Grisham said his boy was traumatized by the incident.

“Every time he sees a police officer he has a panic attack,” he said. “That’s unfortunate because we always taught our kids to respect police officers. My wife and I are angry about it.”

He said he explained to his son that they did nothing wrong on that day.

“My son has his own copy of the Constitution,” Grisham said. “He understands his rights. He understands the concept of choosing the hard right over the easy wrong.”

Chris told Fox News that he looks up to his father -- and admires him for what he did on the side of that road.

“When I grow up, I want to be like him -- he inspires me,” the 15-year-old said.

Grisham said the events of last month have led him to question why he is still in the military.

“It doesn’t seem like our rights are being respected,” he said. “For me, it’s a difficult turning point. I wonder what it is that I’m fighting for. If our basic rights are being violated this way -- what is my purpose?”

And as Grisham awaits his court date, Chris is gearing up to start his Eagle Scout project. The teenager will be working on a local historic cemetery - repairing headstones and replacing signs.

But the young boy wonders what will happen to his dad.

“He didn’t do anything wrong at all,” he said.

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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2013, 08:22:21 PM »
Since he was a decorated war veteran, perhaps he should have worn his decorations.

Maybe he can sue for false arrest. He has the right to do so.

Too bad we do not have a video of how one "rudely displays" a rifle.  I am pretty sure pointing one at a cop would be more than rude.
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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 08:32:22 PM »
Since he was a decorated war veteran, perhaps he should have worn his decorations.

Why?  Why can't an American simply carry his permitted weapons with him, here in America??


Maybe he can sue for false arrest. He has the right to do so.

And he just might.


Too bad we do not have a video of how one "rudely displays" a rifle.  I am pretty sure pointing one at a cop would be more than rude.

It'd get you shot
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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 09:55:10 AM »
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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 11:09:36 AM »
I remember during some political rally a officer simply just checked the guy had all his documents and gun is in order for him to enter.



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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 11:11:21 AM »
As it should be
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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 12:42:00 PM »
Now if the gun owner bitch about showing proof then he's dead to me. I post an issue about id and can't understand why some folks think they got the right to refuse to show proof. I'm sympathic if someone forgets to bring it but oherwise i simply can't get behind it.

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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2013, 01:20:53 PM »
What are you talking about Kimba??   ???   The question should be why didn't the police ASK to see some proof?  That's why permit carriers carry their permits....to show law enforcement that they're legally allowed to carry their weapons, when asked.  According to the report so far, they never did.  Simply took the weapons, and arrested him for "rudely displaying them", so I'm not sure what your beef is or who's "dead to you".  If your beef is with this fella at the political rally, and he refused to show his permit when asked, then he was in gross error in judgement, and had no business bitching, if he did
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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2013, 01:22:56 PM »
Too bad we can't see how he "rudely displayed" his guns.

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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2013, 02:10:43 PM »
Thought i might misspoke. Thatguy  did everything right. But i was talking about IF that guy were to refuse to cooperate. Which from my experience with people seem very posible. Not to take away from that guy. Sorry.

You maynot like to deal with hypotheticals but i've seem such similair behaviour in other instance and don't see why gun owner should be exampt from such flaws

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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2013, 02:16:25 PM »
If anyone fails to comply with an officer's request for proof/permit to carry a weapon, they should be detained, if not arrested.  Period 

If they have a legal permit to carry, and they show it to the officer voluntarily or at the officer's request, they should be allowed go on their way, with their legally permitted weapons.  Period
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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2013, 02:30:14 PM »
Not a problem to me

But this subject got me thinking has anyone gotten shot? My question how does an officer ask for permit without getting shot himself if he got the wrong guy. A drawn gun is crazy unsafe. I remember last year an officer gun went off by mistake and it was pointed a person.

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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2013, 02:37:58 PM »
There should be no reason to ask someone for their permit if its concealed.  If the officer suspects something though, he'll likely 1st ask "Are you carrying any weapons?"

That's when the hypotheticals take over.  If you lie and say you don't, then you've lied to an officer, and you forfeit whatever legal right you had to carry, at that moment

If you say "yes", you would likely then tell the officer ".....And I have a permit for it.  May I hand it to you?"  And all should be right as rain.  Has worked for me every time

If you say "yes", but then refuse to hand over anything, especially a permit, then the officer can rightfully use any means to defend himself from a perceived threat
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Re: Arrested for rudely displaying his permitted firearms
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2013, 02:49:48 PM »
Sounds good to me
But i never had a concealed weapons permit. Mine is all work related so my situation is different. Way too obvious about why i have a gun.

But damn it's scarey that some of my coworkers are allow to carry. Lets just say gun ownership bar  is not that high.

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