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Obamacare & Plumbers
« on: July 02, 2014, 11:43:39 PM »
Probably one of the best analogies about the philosophy behind OBAMACARE that you will see.....lays it out perfectly.

Barack Obama discovers a leak under his sink, so he calls Joe the Plumber to come and fix it.

Joe drives to Obama's house, which is located in a very nice neighborhood and where it's clear that all the residents make more than $250,000 per year.

Joe arrives and takes his tools into the house. Joe is led to the room that contains the leaky pipe under a sink. Joe assesses the problem and tells Obama, who is standing near the door, that it's an easy repair that will take less than 10 minutes.

Obama asks Joe how much it will cost. Joe immediately says, "$9,500."

"$9,500?" Obama asks, stunned, "But you said it's an easy repair!"

"Yes, but what I do is charge a lot more to my clients who make more than $250,000 per year so I can fix the plumbing of everybody who makes less than that for free," explains Joe. "It's always been my philosophy. As a matter of fact, I lobbied government to pass this philosophy as law, and it did pass earlier this year, so now all plumbers have to do business this way. It's known as 'Joe's Fair Plumbing Act of 2009.' Surprised you haven't heard of it."

In spite of that, Obama tells Joe there's no way he's paying that much for a small plumbing repair, so Joe leaves. Obama spends the next hour flipping through the phone book looking for another plumber, but he finds that all other plumbing businesses listed have gone out of business. Not wanting to pay Joe's price, Obama does nothing. The leak under Obama's sink goes unrepaired for the next several days.

A week later the leak is so bad that Obama has had to put a bucket under the sink. The bucket fills up quickly and has to be emptied every hour, and there's a risk that the room will flood, so Obama calls Joe and pleads with him to return. Joe goes back to Obama's house, looks at the leaky pipe, and says, ?Let's see - this will cost you about $21,000."

"A few days ago you told me it would cost $9,500!" Obama quickly fires back.

Joe explains the reason for the dramatic increase. "Well, because of the 'Joe's Fair Plumbing Act,' a lot of rich people are learning how to fix their own plumbing, so there are fewer of you paying for all the free plumbing I'm doing for the people who make less than $250,000. As a result, the rate I have to charge my wealthy paying customers rises every day.

"Not only that, but for some reason the demand for plumbing work from the group of people who get it for free has skyrocketed, and there's a long waiting list of those who need repairs. This has put a lot of my fellow plumbers out of business, and they're not being replaced - nobody is going into the plumbing business because they know they won't make any money. I'm hurting now too - all thanks to greedy rich people like you who won't pay their fair share."

Obama tries to straighten out the plumber: "Of course you're hurting, Joe! Don't you get it? If all the rich people learn how to fix their own plumbing and you refuse to charge the poorer people for your services, you'll be broke, and then what will you do?"

Joe immediately replies, "Run for president, apparently."

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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 09:11:46 AM »
Dim.

Anyone can learn how to fix leaks under a sink.

Joe "the Plumber" is not really a plumber.

He is not an authority on anything. Check out his rantings.
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 05:55:50 PM »


Anyone can learn how to fix leaks under a sink.

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   There is a common misconception.

    And you didn't truly miss the metaphor did you? The true subject is the law of supply and demand, which is obeyed even by people determined to flout it.


  This brings one of my favorite quotes to mind.


The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.

 John W. Gardner

 http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnwgard101143.html#bRYscVsMeg1jQ0wz.99



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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2014, 06:22:22 PM »
And you didn't truly miss the metaphor did you? The true subject is the law of supply and demand, which is obeyed even by people determined to flout it.

Of course he did not miss it, he just did his typical dodge.
Attempting to change the subject to something besides the real topic.
He wants the subject to be about Joe The Plumber instead of the analogy.
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 06:32:02 PM »


What did you think of the John Gardner quote?

I think of this quote when I consider the people who forgive President Obama any foible , because he is engaged in exalted philosophy.

When I read this quote I was a plumber, helped make it stick.

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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 07:37:19 PM »
What did you think of the John Gardner quote?

It rings true...thanks for sharing it.
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 08:03:24 PM »

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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2014, 10:12:15 PM »
Check him out, influential guy.

will do,,,,thanks
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2014, 11:49:27 PM »
If you do not want people to tell you that Joe the Plumber was an ass, then do not tell silly stories with Joe the Plumber in them.

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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2014, 12:28:39 AM »
Professor Dodge, strikes again       ::)
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2014, 09:59:13 AM »
I am not dodging anything.

The claim was made that this was an "analogy" that "fit Obama perfectly"

It is not. It is just more teabagger swill. It is just a jackassical tale that is inaccurate and proves diddley.
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2014, 10:35:30 AM »
   So you note that the behavior of the characters in the story does not agree with your impression of the real "Joe the Plumber"?

     But you make no mention yet that the behavior of the character in the story of Barak Obama is unlike the real Barak H Obama?



      Hmmmmmmm.....



     Aaaaa!

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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2014, 12:01:49 PM »
 ;)    somebody gets it
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2014, 12:10:10 PM »
It is too stupid a story to take seriously in any way. I might as well be discussing prospective prosthetic devices for Captain Hook.
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Re: Obamacare & Plumbers
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2014, 02:11:03 PM »
We could , I read a good one on that subject yesterday. Perhaps I will start another thread on haptic prosthesis.

But is it impossible to discuss the flaws of socialism and whether our president knows them?

If you want to state that the advantages of socialism are greater than the risks and failures , that would be ok , I would probably disagree , but you would have plenty of time and bandwidth to expound on your proofs.