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Mike Rowe interview
« on: August 11, 2014, 01:57:33 AM »

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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 08:13:46 AM »
I agree with this. Typically what happened often in my college was that a student enrolled in a program in which there were at least some jobs (business and education) and then discovered that the School of Business would not admit them to the program unless they scored above a 2.7 on math and English, and they barely made it though the remedial courses, and Education also required that they pass a rather rudimentary exam, they transferred to majors where there were fewer requirements: communications, psychology, urban studies and criminal justice. They seem to rarely ever land jobs in any of these fields.

The very worst offenders are the private for profit colleges, because their instructors are overworked and underpaid adjuncts and the tuition fees were through the roof. They spend more on advertising than on faculty and are not designed to educate anyone, only to get as much student loan money as possible. They charged at least three times what my college charged and would fake the admission requirements into business and education just to keep the loan money coming in.

The biggest problem of course, was students who simply refused to study and had no real interest in learning anything, only in passing tests.
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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 07:57:54 PM »
  I don't think we shall discuss this topic too long , because we are in agreement.

     Dang it!

     Do you suppose that there is a role for science in this problem?

      Can statistical analysis be applied to job selection by candidates for education , in a way similar to the way mate selection is applied by Harmony.com or the other date selection sites that screen mates for each other by the way that they analyze their surveys?

       It seems as if what is needed would be a lot like medical triage , some jobs are scarce resources, and some applicants are scarce resources. If there were a central clearinghouse and broker that could match the best available candidates with the best available education, and eventually, best available job, this could be a real service to those frustrated by job hunting and employee hunting .


On the other hand....
      I would hate to make a system of that sort into a mandatory gatekeeper, I couldn't approve unless it were voluntary entirely , and escapable by the unspotted capable.

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 08:51:35 PM »
Most universities have offices where students can get a lot of useful data on job projections. Everyone agrees that the nation will need more people versed in sciences, but the problem is that poorly prepared and lazy students cannot deal with math and large amounts of reading, so they major in communications, criminal justice and psychology, which are at least as easy as PE used to be.

I was required to have 15 office hours a week. Students normally did not bother to come by, even when I wrote stuff like SEE ME on their wretched tests and copied assignments. A few would trickle in around the time I made out midterm grades. But at the end of the semester, they came in droves with the same question, "what do I have to do to pass your class?" Some of them had only rarely appeared in class. Those with more than 12 unexcused absences could not pass according to the departmental mandate. I would tell them "Read the Syllabus". If they asked three times, I handed them a new copy of the Syllabus and said "Read the Syllabus". It limited the number that came a-begging for "special exceptions".  I allowed them to turn in the 14 assignments as many times as they wished, until it was perfect. Strangely, the average score for assignments never reached 80% in any class.

I always had one or two girls who came in and told me the same sad story about how they could not come to class because they were pregnant and too sick in the mornings and stopped attending. A always wanted to ask them, just once, "didn't anyone tell you about where babies come from?" If you want to finish college, why did you get pregnant? If you wanted to get pregnant, what the hell are you doing in college?"

But I never did, It is useless to tell stupid people to stop being stupid.
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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 09:52:45 PM »
 I don't think we shall discuss this topic too long , because we are in agreement.

     Dang it!


uhm, doesn`t that mean this topic is a lot more serious than we think?  the finance alone is having an economic effect.

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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2014, 12:37:22 AM »
I don't think we shall discuss this topic too long , because we are in agreement.

     Dang it!


uhm, doesn`t that mean this topic is a lot more serious than we think?  the finance alone is having an economic effect.


  Yes it is very serious, but what is there to discuss?

   Can people be warned better than they already are that debt is burdensome and ignorance is expensive?

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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2014, 08:29:12 AM »
The University of Phoenix and scads of far more disreputable for-profit universities have somehow managed to get themselves accredited. The graduation rate is often in the single digits, as when the limits of student aid and loans are reached, the student still has not finished the required curriculum.

It is a business model like stone crab fishing: the crabber catches the crab, rips off his giant larger claw and throws it back. If it a hardy crab, in a year or so, tthe smaller claw will grow much larger, and a need small claw will regrow.

The poorer universities grab the student, rip off his Pell Grant money and gets him to borrow to the max, and when fling him back ungraduated. Many students these days die before they manage to pay back their loans. If there was no co signer, the taxpayers pay the bill.

The worst of these are the Beauty schools. I have met at least 20 women who have attended some  beauty school, and not one ever graduated.

These organizations have their own lobbyists to protect this system. 

The accreditation agencies do not do their jobs. The SACS (Southern Accreditation of Colleges and Schools) set a lower limit of 124 semester hours for a BA degree. Fewer than 124 sh, and the institution would not be accredited.

Then Rick Scott, the swindler who bought himself a governor's job here in FL, got the legislature to set the minimum at 120 semester hours. SACS should have acted immediately to threaten disaccreditation, but it did not. If it did anything, it was like "double secret probation".
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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2014, 03:27:42 AM »
  It seems a shame to penalize a good attitude.

    Is there an "Angies list" for schools?

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2014, 09:34:45 AM »
There is the Barron's Guide, which ranks schools by the resources for a variety of majors.
Consumers Reports is reliable as well

Most students tend to attend a college because of a boyfriend or girlfriend or their father's alma mater and even because of sports teams when they are not even players.

I realized that I was not going to become fluent in Spanish at William Jewell College and went to New Mexico State because it was obviously a place where I could practice Spanish. But I transferred in my third year. UNM in Albuquerque cost about $900 more.  UTEP in El Paso was even more than that.
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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2014, 01:37:06 PM »
a few years ago I went to heald to check out the place. they got me to take a placement test and noted I got a very high score and instead of talk what course to take I went straight to financial aid office. that didn`t exactly give an impression they were very concern about my education.

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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2014, 04:31:50 PM »

a few years ago I went to heald to check out the place. they got me to take a placement test and noted I got a very high score and instead of talk what course to take I went straight to financial aid office. that didn`t exactly give an impression they were very concern about my education.
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I am not at all sure what you are saying here.

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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2014, 09:48:21 PM »
just pointing out how quick their into getting me into financial aid which I never once mention of applying.


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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2014, 11:39:13 PM »
What recruiters do is recruit. You have to insist on getting answers to your questions before you sign anything.
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Re: Mike Rowe interview
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 12:11:53 AM »
The process was so blatant i never  signed up

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 09:02:56 AM »
I cannot say I blame you.

I hate aggressive salespeople in every field.
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