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Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:28:18 PM »
US-Iranian military, intelligence cooperation
in war on ISIS reaps first successes in Syria and Iraq


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
September 5, 2014



At least 18 foreign ISIS fighters including Americans and Europeans were killed Thursday, Sept. 4, in a Syrian air raid of the Al Qaeda-ISIS' northern Syrian headquarters in the Gharbiya district of Raqqa. The raid caught a number of high Al Qaeda commanders and a large group of foreign adherents assembled at the facilty.

A second group of high ISIS officers were killed or injured in another Syrian air raid over their base in Abu Kamal near the Iraqi border.

DEBKAfile's military and intelligence sources report that top men of the Islamist terrorist group were holding meetings at both places Thursday to coordinate IS strike plans in Syria and Iraq.  For Syria, these plans center on the Deir a-Zor and Al Qaim areas, while in Iraq, they focus on targets in the east and center of the country.

The twin Syrian air offensive coincided with the opening of the two-day NATO Summit outside the Welsh town of Newport .
The information about the two Al Qaeda meetings at Raqqa and Abu Kamal could have come from only two sources: US surveillance satellites and aircraft or Iranian agents embedded at strategic points across Syria. 

Syria does not have the necessary intelligence capabilities for digging out this kind of information. Nor does its air force normally exhibit the surgical precision displayed in the two strikes on Al Qaeda bases.

It is therefore more than likely that they owed their success to the widening military and intelligence cooperation between the United State and Iran in Iraq and Syria.

President Barack Obama will have taken his seat at the NATO summit to discuss ways of fighting ISIS after word of the successful Syrian strikes was already in his pocket. While they must be credited to top-quality US aerial surveillance over Syria and Iraq, they were undoubtedly made possible by the Obama administration?s deepening military and intelligence ties with Iran.

Many of the allies present at Newport will not welcome these tidings, Britain, Germany and Australia, in particular. They deeply resent being displaced as America?s senior strategic partners by the Revolutionary Republic of Iran, after their long partnership with the US in fighting terror in Afghanistan and Iraq.
But they will find it hard to argue with success.

On Aug. 31, our military sources reveal, US and Iranian special forces fighting together, broke the 100-day IS siege of the eastern Iraqi town of Amerli, 100 km from the Iranian border, to score a major victory in their first joint military ground action.
Then, Wednesday, Sept. 3, US jets struck an IS base in the northern Iraqi town of Tal Afar, killing its commander, Abu Hajar Al-Sufi, and two lieutenants of the IS chief Abu Baker Al-Baghdadi.

While President Obama has denied having a strategy for fighting ISIS, a working mechanism appears to have been put in place to support a trilateral military offensive against al Qaeda's Islamist State. The successful attacks in the last 24 hours were apparently made possible by this mechanism: Iranian intelligence collected US surveillance data from the Americans and passed it on to Syria for action.

http://www.debka.com/article/24246/US-Iranian-military-intelligence-cooperation-in-war-on-ISIS-reaps-first-successes-in-Syria-and-Iraq
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Re: Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2014, 08:13:19 PM »
You criticize him if he does not do the right thing. If he does and it works, you criticize HOW he does it.

Debkafiles has predicted a war with Iran about a dozen times now. At some point, a wise person drills holes in his crystal ball, paints it black and takes up bowling.

Debka is not the world's best source of intelligence.
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Re: Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2014, 10:11:27 PM »
You criticize him if he does not do the right thing. If he does and it works, you criticize HOW he does it.

Huh?

You criticize him if he does not do the right thing.

yes that would be logical no?

If he does and it works, you criticize HOW he does it.

Not always....lets see your list praising some President Bush actions

i praised Obama for killing Bin Laden

i praise Obama repeatedly for killing more people
with drones than any President in world history.

i praised Obama for nomination choice of his first sec of defense

i praised Obama for extending the Bush Tax cuts
and actually under Obama they have become permanent.





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Re: Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 12:38:59 AM »
ok that is true if we were to keep tally the conservatives has been better sports about things than liberals. (the very reason I`m a designated conservative) but who keeps score

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Re: Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2014, 01:53:47 AM »
ok, now I'm really confused     ???
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Re: Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2014, 10:24:09 AM »
MORE KUDOS TO OBAMA!

US confirms Shabaab emir Godane killed in airstrike

By BILL ROGGIO
September 5, 2014

The US military is certain that Shabaab emir Ahmed Abdi Godane was killed in a targeted airstrike in southern Somalia that took place earlier this week.

"We have confirmed that Ahmed Godane, the co-founder of al-Shabaab, has been killed," Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby said in a statement that was released today.

Godane, also known as Sheikh Mukhtar Abu Zubayr, was the target of an airstrike that took place at a training camp between the villages of Dhay Tubako and Haway along the Shabelle River south of Mogadishu on the night of Sept. 1. The US military confirmed on Sept. 2 that "US special operations forces using manned and unmanned aircraft" targeted Godane and "destroyed an encampment and a vehicle using several Hellfire missiles and laser-guided munitions."

Other Shabaab leaders said to have been with Godane at the time are Muhammad Abu Abdallah, the group's shadow governor of Lower Shabelle; Muhammad Abu Sham, Godane's aide; Ali Muhammad Gulled, a logistics officer; Muhammad Husayn Nur (a.k.a. Abu Hamza Al Ayman); Sheikh Muhammad Dulyaden; Iqri Ubayd, a Sudanese operative; and Mubarak Abdallah, a Yemeni. It is unclear if they were killed or survived the strike.

Shabaab has yet to officially comment on reports of Godane's death.

Godane presided over the official merger with al Qaeda in early 2012. Shabaab and al Qaeda intentionally obscured the close working relationship between the two groups long before announcing the merger with al Qaeda.

Godane also ruled Shabaab during a leadership dispute that resulted in the group's intelligence branch, the Amniyat, killing American jihadist Omar Hammami, Ibrahim al Afghani, and a handful of other leaders. Hammami accused Godane of bypassing sharia, or Islamic law, and ruling with an iron fist. Godane had Hammami killed after the latter's appeal to al Qaeda for intervention went unanswered. The internal leadership dispute petered out after Hammami and the rebel terrorist leaders were killed.

Godane was one of the world's most wanted terrorist leaders. The US State Department's Rewards for Justice offered a $7 million bounty for information leading to his capture and prosecution.

Jihadist groups have withstood loss of emirs

Kirby claimed that the death of Godane will strike a major blow against al Qaeda's branch in Somalia.

"Removing Godane from the battlefield is a major symbolic and operational loss to al-Shabaab," he said.

Al Qaeda and its branches and other jihadist groups have weathered the deaths of top leaders in the past, however. The killing of Osama bin Laden did not cause the group to collapse; in fact al Qaeda has expanded its footprint and controls more territory today than prior to bin Laden's death in May 2011.

Al Qaeda in Iraq survived and thrived after the death of Abu Musab al Zarqawi in 2006 and withstood the loss of his successors, Abu Ayyub al Masri and Abu Omar al Baghdadi, in 2011. Today, its successor organization, the Islamic State, control vast areas of Iraq and Syria.

Groups such as the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and the Turkistan Islamic Party have grown even after their leaders were killed in US drone strikes in Pakistan.

The Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan became a more dangerous organization under the command of Hakeemullah Mehsud after its founder and emir, Baitullah Mehsud, was killed in a US drone strike in August 2009. After Hakeemullah was killed in a drone strike in November 2013, the group split over the selection of Mullah Fazlullah to lead the group. But a splinter group, known as Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, appears to be well organized and just as dangerous as its predecessor.

Shabaab has also lost some of its top leaders to previous US counterterrorism operations. Among those killed have been Aden Hashi Ayro, the group's military commander, and Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, al Qaeda's former leader in East Africa and a top official in the group.


http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/09/us_confirms_shabaab.php
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Re: Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2014, 04:37:28 PM »
I do not think that any tax cut or tax increase ever becomes "permanent". Nor do I think it is logical that they should.
Taxes are part of an economic system that is only partially dependent on governments.
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Re: Obama playing with fire...but early success duly noted
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2014, 06:01:55 PM »
I do not think that any tax cut or tax increase ever becomes "permanent". Nor do I think it is logical that they should.
Taxes are part of an economic system that is only partially dependent on governments.

When taxes or tax cuts are referred to as permanent it means they don't have an expiry date.

The Bush Tax Cuts under Bush had expiration dates, under Obama the expiration dates were done away with.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2014, 07:37:40 PM »
Xo likes to infer that when the right talks about tax cuts, its along the lines of abolishing taxes.  That's why he then jumps into the mode of how the Government needs those taxes to function, with the warped idea that more taxes means more revenue.  Of course, its yet another deflection effort, as when we talk about tax cuts, its never along the lines of abolishing.  It's just simple economics....that has demonstrated itself every time its been done......decrease the tax burden, thereby incentivizing those getting the benefit, be it buy more things, expand businesses, increase employment, which creates more income tax producing jobs, and increase purchasing of sales tax items --> whalaaa MORE tax revenue for the government to function
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2014, 10:52:41 PM »
Of course, sirs, governments never need taxes to operate. The complete abolition of taxes is the only way to guarantee full employment.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2014, 11:40:44 PM »
LOL.....see what I mean?  Priceless.  Despite my clear reference as to the need for taxes, simply a lessening of a burden, immediately there's xo declaring how sirs thinks government never needs taxes to operate.  Complete abolition he claims.  As I said, priceless     ;D
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2014, 10:09:36 AM »
   The US ran and ran well for more than a century without any income tax.
For a few years in the late fifties there were some paying income tax above 90%.

    Kennedys tax reforms reduced this load and employment did improve, so did tax receipts to the government.

   When XO states"
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....governments never need taxes to operate. The complete abolition of taxes is the only way to guarantee full employment.
he is not far off the mark.

  If we abolished the IRS and the minimum wage , why wouldn't the result be full employment and a generally higher wage level?

     We import so much that a tariff would pay for everything essential , wouldn't it?

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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2014, 03:40:02 PM »
actually I thought minimum wage has been extremely beneficial to the U.S. economy. because the primary complaint was it increase not decrease wages. increased wages always means increase spending and the type of spending. it`s a hard sell to believe an employer can`t pay higher wages because of minimum wages.  the fact we went through several waves of corporate layoffs of workers who were paid well above minimum wage proves jobs numbers not directly effected by the wage minimum. Any kinds of businesses who depends on such low cost labor should get questioned if it should continue.


now on the issue of taxes. it`s not true the U.S. has existed without taxes. it`s the type of taxes that`s different, it`s did very well on alcohol tax but events changed to make it switch to income taxes then expenses grew to the point that incomes taxes will never go away. but if somebody proposes a viable income stream to lower taxes than maybe the burden to businesses will lessen. ex. national parks charge higher rates to pay for it`s maintenance. etc.

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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2014, 07:36:13 PM »
Abolishing the minimum wage would probably result in people working 90 hours per week and still not making it. Abolishing the IRS would necessitate a similar agency to collect the same amount or more than the IRS collects now. The government cannot run on air.

Raising the taxes on mining and minerals and the rent on government land would work a lot better than charging Disney prices to visit Smokey the Bear.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2014, 07:44:57 PM »
the price increase I propose is to limit the amount of visitors going in. I often hear how extremely saturated these parks are and those crowds do incur some damages. so the price increase is to help with that issue.
 but renting government land sounds good to me I thought that was already been done??