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Executive orders on immagration
« on: November 09, 2014, 04:00:19 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-obama-will-act-on-immigration-despite-gop-warnings-to-hold-off/2014/11/07/5b93c332-66a1-11e4-9fdc-d43b053ecb4d_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop


Would President Obama benefit from getting confrontational on the issue of immigration and perhaps taking advantage of the controversy produced?

It would not be clear to everyone that a Constitutional violation issue is as important as an immigration issue.

  I have another idea, lets see the president energetically enforce the law that already exists!

  There are plenty of them , he could be using some of them.


  The immigration rules , regulations and laws we are presently using are too much a mess to call them a system, it is harmful to our economy does not protect the safety of the public in general and produces dangerous situations for the immigrants.

     Lets do something, if comprehensive change is difficult , then lets do staged or incremental change, perhaps even simplification  .

   And lets do it in the legislature.

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Re: Executive orders on immagration
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 11:56:02 AM »
It costs money to enforce immigration laws. At no time has Congress ever allocated enough money to end people sneaking across or coming on a tourist visa and refusing to leave.  The fatcats want illegals. They are cheap and trouble-free workers, the next best thing to slaves.

The baggers are used as shills for the rightwing extremists. They are useful idiots.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 12:03:06 PM »
This has never been an issue of enough money.  This has always been an issue of enforcing law....and in this case, the order NOT to enforce current immigration law. 

At no time has Obama EVER claimed he doesn't have enough revenue to control the border or enforce exiting law.  He HAS said, multiple times, how he needs to "do something", because congress supposedly won't, as it relates to immigration "reform", which includes standing down his justice dept, and signing executive orders granting pseudo amnesty, 1st to so called "dreamers", and now pending millions more, on nothing more but arbitrary parameters that he decides on

The useful idiots would be those who buy that unconstitutional garbage
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 12:07:49 PM »
Congress is certainly write up a solution for the problem and to share it with the citizens.  They do nothing. They spend millions and millions on stupid campaign ads that said not one word about immigration. 

If it were a real issue, they would have suggested a detailed plan. They did not even mention it.

The fatcats like the status quo: cheap, expendable labor for agriculture and construction.

Guys like you are just useful idiots.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2014, 12:11:39 PM »
If it were a real issue, Obama would have done something long ago.  It's a fake issue, one that's political poison, that even Democrats were sharp enough to grasp.  The useful idiots are the ones that keep supporting Obama's unconstitutional end-arounds, while rationalizing his cowardice

And you don't even want to to there, as it relates to "do-nothing congress", as Reid had HUNDREDS of bi-partisan passed bills, sitting on his desk, that he wouldn't allow even a vote on
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2014, 06:31:46 PM »
Immigration reform is NOT a fake issue.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2014, 08:09:27 PM »
Real Immigration reform would be a Real Issue.


Who is proposing what?

Two years now to observe and learn who is and who isn't serious.


What is the best idea you have seen put forwards and who is pushing it?

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2014, 10:01:35 PM »
Immigration reform is NOT a fake issue.

His "concern" is 100% fake, and completely politically driven
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2014, 07:59:04 AM »
RESPONDING TO THE COMING AMNESTY BY EXECUTIVE ORDER

In response to my post about how congressional Republicans should respond to the coming amnesty by executive order, my friend Bill Otis writes:

I think the thing to do is (1) publicly set out the case that the order is bad policy on its merits, an overreach of the President's power, and a direct slap at the electorate's choice six days ago.

Then (2) announce that if the President follows through, there will be serious and prompt consequences.

Then, when he hands down the order, (3) impose them.

Specifically, and without saying anything further, when Obama sends ANY nomination to the new Senate, McConnell should bring it up the next day and vote it down. No committee hearings, no debate, no nothing. Doesn't matter who it is or what it's for.

This is not shutting down the government or cancelling anyone's government check.
It will be a shock message that, if Obama wants to act like Louis XVI, this has just become Paris in 1789.

He either recognizes that the Republicans have a share of power and will use it, or not.

Just talking doesn't cut it with this guy. There has to be action, and it has to have shock value.

The press won't like it, but it won't like anything we do to exert our power and dissuade Obama from imperial rule. We just have to accept that as the price of doing business. In any event, Obama doesn't have that much popularity left, and will have even less when ISIS launches some attack inside the country and/or Iran gets the Big One and/or the Obamacare premiums, taxes, other costs and rules finally come home to roost.

Bill's proposal raises two questions in my mind. First, how would President Obama respond to this approach? Second, would congressional Republicans hang tough after Obama responds?

Obama would respond, of course, by attacking Republicans for preventing him from staffing the executive and judicial branches. Assuming the Republicans stick to their guns, Obama then would likely call for a compromise, some form of relief for illegal immigrants that falls a bit short of his executive amnesty, in exchange for allowing him to have nominees confirmed.

Considering the stength of the presumption that a president should be able to have at least some of his nominees confirmed, we can expect Republicans to negotiate. How the negotiations would go is anybody's guess.

The incentives don't favor Republicans, though. Unlike GOP members of Congress, Obama won't be facing voters in 2016. His focus is on his legacy, which he is convinced will be enhanced by decreeing amnesty. In the end, therefore, he would probably drive a harder bargain than congressional Republicans.

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2014, 12:38:29 PM »
It will be a shock message that, if Obama wants to act like Louis XVI, this has just become Paris in 1789.


Yeah, right.  Christians will storm the Bastille over this, bearing banners saying "JESUS WANTS LESS GOVERNMENT!". There will be mobs ruling the streets. Guillotines will be erected and heads will roll.

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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2014, 12:45:21 PM »
Professor Deflection, strikes again    ::)
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2014, 01:45:05 PM »
It will be a shock message that, if Obama wants to act like Louis XVI, this has just become Paris in 1789.


Yeah, right.  Christians will storm the Bastille over this, bearing banners saying "JESUS WANTS LESS GOVERNMENT!". There will be mobs ruling the streets. Guillotines will be erected and heads will roll.

That does have a certain appeal.

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Re: Executive orders on immagration
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2014, 10:13:49 PM »
This is a stupid exaggeration.
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Re: Executive orders on immagration
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2014, 10:46:36 PM »
Oh!


Well excuuuuse me!

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2014, 07:12:49 AM »
"Christians" was the one who compared this to the French Revolution. I was just carrying his hyper silly comment to its logical conclusion to illustrate the utter imbecility of his statement.
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