The trash nanny is on the way!

[Xavier_Onassis]

How is the market more fair than the government?

That makes no sense at all.

And lightbulbs are not a serious issue to anyone but ultra rightwing dolts.

[sirs]

Because the market deals with supply and demand.  Government makes its decisions arbitrarily, based on folks who think they simply know better.  That's why the former is far more fair, and why the analogy is spot on

And lightbulbs aren't the issue, Dr Deflection.  Just yet another example of an over-zealous, control-hungry, ever-expanding Government, dictating what you can and can't have, do or can't do, is

[Xavier_Onassis]

This issue IS about light bulbs.

Choice of light bulbs is insignificant, and if the ratbag rightwingers had some more important issue,they would not be constantly blathering about how the government is destroying their existence by forcing then to buy antique technology lightbulbs and cruelly forced to separate their coffee grounds from their beer cans.

[sirs]

This issue IS about light bulbs.

Try again....C made it crystal clear that is about the Government pushing its hyper nanny state level of control.  In this case, referencing their latest effort regarding lightbulbs, and iterally pushing for Garbage Police.  So, no lightbulbs is not the issue, just a convenient deflection, to argue a point not being made

[Christians4LessGvt]

Choice of light bulbs is insignificant

Exactly my point...so why is the Gvt F-ing around with "insignificat" issues?

[Plane]

How is the market more fair than the government?

   In the same way that a flip of the coin for a choice is more fair than arm wrestling for the choice , ........with Hulk Hogan.

   Also in the way that an auction is a better way to find fair price , than allowing an expert to fix prices.

     

[sirs]

BINGO!!

[Xavier_Onassis]

First, the trash ordinances are local issues.  Recycling trash benefits everyone. The alternative would be to raise taxes to pay people to sort through the garbage and separate stuff. 

If you do not wish to do this, then you are free to live in the 96% of the country where it is not required. That, too is the market at work.

It is a minor inconvenience to separate the garbage from the rest of the trash. I have a compost bin. It cost me $99 on woot and works just fine. And I do not have to buy potting soil.

Since none of us live in Seattle, this is an entirely moot issue.

[sirs]

....the trash ordinances are local issues.  Recycling trash benefits everyone. The alternative would be to raise taxes to pay people to sort through the garbage and separate stuff.

Again, completely missing the point, and defending what is the point....Government agencies, dictating what and how you are to function.  Trash is trash, there is no damn need to sort thru your garbage, outside of a small minority of think-they-know-better, proclaim how "beneficial it would be to everyone".  This isn't some home owners association....this is the Government, be it federal or local.  It's no business of the Government to mandate people go thru their fricken trash, regardless of your rationalizations of inconvenience

[Xavier_Onassis]

Recycling means turning garbage into useful products, fuel for energy and topsoil rather than more Mount Trashmores.

Either the people join the community and assist in this endeavor, or continue to live in a totally unsustainable society. 

It is like the national debt. only worse, since money is essentially an intangible creation, while refuse is real.

Sooner or later. people will be forced to recycle. That is indisputable, as many resources simply are used up forever, and we cannot maintain our civilization without resources. Sooner is better than later.

We are not lone wolves. We live in communities, preferably in a harmonious way.

[sirs]

Again, rationalizations for defending the Government controlling people's lives aside, the point is the control that Government is striving to apply to people's lives     

[Christians4LessGvt]

It's very clear the market gives people more choices, more freedom.
Lowe's would still offer BOTH kinds of light bulbs if control freaks
with mental illness had not forced Lowe's to stop selling BOTH
kinds of light bulbs.

[Xavier_Onassis]

So what? Who fucking cares about light bulbs?   It is like complaining about the lack or white, beige or puce M&Ms.

The government does not ask people to separate their trash in order to subjugate them: the purpose is to improve the quality of life for everyone now and in the future.

The government will not allow you to own a wolf, or even to own a dog-wolf hybrid.  I hardly think that this is a bad thing, considering it could lead to some people's pets eating other people's children.  You are BANNED from having a pet hyena. But this is not because the government wants to dominate you.

When I was a kid, one of my duties was to take out the trash and burn it. We had a 55 gallon barrel in the backyard, like everyone else, and once a week, I would take the trash out and burn it. It was most fun after dark, as the sparks would flare way up in the air.  But now no one gets to burn his trash. 

[sirs]

So what? Who fucking cares about light bulbs? 

NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE FRICKEN LIGHTBULBS.  PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THE FRICKEN GOVERNMENT TELLING PEOPLE WHAT LIGHTBULBS THEY CAN AND CAN'T HAVE AND HOW THEY MUST GO THRU THEIR TRASH

We realize the effort to argue a point no one is making, but gravy, its sure gets old

 

[Christians4LessGvt]

So what? Who fucking cares about light bulbs? 

Exactly....so why doesn't the fucking govt keep their nose out of light-bulb design if nobody cares?