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And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« on: July 20, 2015, 11:32:24 AM »
Some 2.5 million illegal immigrants have flowed into the United States under President Obama, with 790,000 rushing in since 2013, according to a new analysis. While the level of new illegal immigration is lower than a decade ago, the enormous ongoing scale of illegal immigration is a clear indication that the United States has not come close to controlling it.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-2.5m-illegal-immigrants-under-obama-400k-yearly/article/2568566
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2015, 11:56:58 AM »
And why did these same clowns not denounce either of the Bushes for letting far more in?

Because they are partisan dolts, that seems to explain it.

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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 12:15:37 PM »
They did, oh ye of miniscule memory
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2015, 12:18:16 PM »
Nothing like they are doing now, dolt.
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2015, 12:21:09 PM »
That's because Bush never did an end around the Constitution to allow the illegal immigration flood and out of control border we have currently....moron
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2015, 08:22:44 PM »
More Mexicans are returning to Mexico than are entering this country.

The majority of those who are illegal now are people who got visas and have overstayed them.

President Obama has done more to prevent illegal entry that any other recent president.

NBut you (hateobama hateobama hataeobama) have this stupid session in your empty head and keep on talking shit.
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2015, 08:35:43 PM »
While more "other-than-Mexicans" are entering this country, than ever before, and nearly ALL of them ILLEGALLY

Oblather had done more to faciltiate illegal entry into this country than the last 5 Presidents combined, with his reckless anti-constitutional executive orders

But the coolaide is think with the lunatic left.  Nothing Oblather does can be seen as wrong....its all part of some master plan apparently, where wrong is right, and the ends justify the means
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2015, 08:56:56 PM »
What are the ends here, if the means is to allow more illegals to enter?

It is not that they will be voting.

The ends quite often justify the means.

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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2015, 11:33:12 PM »
President Obama has done more to prevent illegal entry that any other recent president.
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I am not aware of what new measures President Obama is responsible for , do you have a link that might list them or just an example?


It is not that they will be voting.



Why not?
Isn't the demographic change to make the Democratic party the single party the reason to import a lot of prospective Dem Voters?

There are still a lot of states that are lax in checking identities.

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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2015, 12:07:22 AM »
oh but "we need all these illegals here to pick crops"
when in reality less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops.
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 12:10:18 AM »
Isn't the demographic change to make the Democratic party the single party the reason to import a lot of prospective Dem Voters?

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Chuck Schumer would on the border with the Minutemen"
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 03:46:15 AM »
What are the ends here, if the means is to allow more illegals to enter?

GREATER NEED for Government services and for the flood of low skilled poverty laden illegal immigrants, with still bigger expansion of Government.  The greater the need, the greater the supposed need for Democrats who run & campaign on bigger Government.  It's pretty transparent.  When Obamination care was being pushed with lie after lie after lie, one of those lies was that illegal immigrants would be barred from getting tax payer provided Government healthcare.  And poof, that didn't take long to change, as liberal states like CA now pledge to do that.  As soon as increased "taxes" come in from illegal immigrant labor, the call will go out that "they pay taxes, they should be allowed to vote".  It'll start off with small local election stuff with the "promise" that such illegal immigrants would be barred from voting in national elections.  But after a few cycles, the call will come out that its not fair that they are not being allowed to vote for higher offices, conveniently ignoring that they're in this country illegally, to begin with.  THAT's the ends here


The ends quite often justify the means.

NO, THEY DON'T.  Not when the means includes lying, stealing, illegal, unethical, hypocritical, or even immoral conduct.  Ignoring our rule of law is right up there with unethical conduct.  Doing end a rounds our Constitution with extracurricular executive orders, is another
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2015, 11:56:40 AM »
There is a great shortage of construction workers in much of the country. Developers are unable to find workers with the skills needed to build housing.

Your logical fallacy here is called the "slippery slope" fallacy. It is one of your favorites. "If they do X, then it is only a matter of time that they do Y". If we fail to outlaw gay marriage, then people raise a clamour to marry Rottweilers, cockatoos and variegated boa constrictors."

It is faulty logic sirs.
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 12:30:11 PM »
naaa...it's based on current reality, as I demonstrated in how it was an absolute pledge that illegal immigrants wouldn't receive any tax payer payed healthcare.....and now they will be.  Then the ever progressive calls for "fairness", since they're paying their taxes, they whould then be allowed to vote on how those taxes are used.....and so on, and so on, and so on.....all with the goal of ever expanding Government.  We've already gotten to z.  We're now just turning the alphabet over, and have already gotten to d
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Re: And the Left pretends Obama has border under-control!
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 07:13:27 PM »
President Obama has done more to prevent illegal entry that any other recent president.

Obama Admin Plans More Executive Action on Immigration
Proposed rule expands number of illegal immigrants allowed to stay in country


The Obama administration is moving forward with plans to expand a waiver program that will allow additional illegal aliens to remain in the country rather than apply for legal status from abroad.
 
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued a proposed rule on Tuesday that would make changes to a waiver program created by President Barack Obama’s executive action on immigration in 2013. The action created a waiver that primarily allowed illegal immigrants with a U.S. citizen spouse or parent to stay in the country instead of having to leave the United States and be barred from returning for three or 10 years, if they proved their absence would create an “extreme hardship” for their spouse.
 
The new rule expands eligibility to a host of other categories of illegal immigrants beyond those with citizen spouses and parents.
 
“DHS proposes to expand the class of aliens who may be eligible for a provisional waiver beyond immediate relatives of U.S. citizens to aliens in all statutorily eligible immigrant visa categories,” the proposed rule stated. “Such aliens include family-sponsored immigrants, employment-based immigrants, certain special immigrants, and Diversity Visa program selectees, together with their derivative spouses and children.”
 
The waivers allow illegal immigrants to stay in the country while they await visas, and avoid a penalty under U.S. law that bars persons who entered the country illegally from returning for at least three years.
 
An illegal immigrant who lives in the country for less than a year and then leaves is barred from reentering the United States for three years. Any time spent illegally in the United States over one year results in the illegal immigrant being inadmissible for 10 years. The waiver program allowed individuals to remain in the country and avoid these penalties.
 
“It’s a very bad policy,” said Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies. “It makes it possible for illegal aliens to avoid the consequences established by Congress to deter people from settling here illegally and then laundering their status by adjusting to a green card.”
 
Vaughan, who has been following the issue for over two years, said the changes to the waiver program would increase fraud.
 
“It is a slap in the face to the many legal immigrants who abide by the law, follow the process, and wait their turn,” she said. “In addition, it will increase the likelihood of fraud in the marriage categories, which produce tens of thousands of new green cards each year.”
 
“Green cards are the golden ticket. Once you get a green cards you get welfare, you get tax credits, you get entitlements,” said a GOP Senate aide. “The U.S. hands out one million green cards every year, and these documents are bankrupting the country.”
 
DHS said it is proposing the rule based on its “broad authority” under the Homeland Security Act of 2002.
 
The rule would also broaden the category of those whom an illegal alien can claim their absence from the United States would create an “extreme hardship.” Previously, the waiver only could be given if the illegal immigrant has a spouse or parent who is an American citizen.
 
“DHS also proposes to expand who may be considered a qualifying relative for purposes of the extreme hardship determination to include [legal permanent resident] LPR spouses and parents,” the proposed rule said.
 
The agency said the rule is intended to “prioritize the family reunification of immediate relatives of U.S. citizens over other categories of aliens.”
 
“The president should not be issuing executive actions that serve only to expedite the legalization process for those who have ignored our laws,” said Vaughan. “This legalization gimmick is undermining the integrity of our legal immigration system, and Congress should take steps to block it.”
 
The public will have 60 days to comment on the proposal.
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