Just Sayin....

[sirs]

Without war, we'd be Nazi Germans......yea, the horror

But putting aside the ongoing effort of trying to conflate war and actual acts of terrorism, to this date, following 911, not one Christian led terrorist attack or Jewish led terrorist attack. 

And terrorizing terrorists into telling us who & where they plan to kill their next group of innocent women & children is fully supported

[Plane]

That pretty much proves my point. War is worse than terrorism.

  Depends on who you are and where you are, the worst of any sort of war is proximity.

   Recently there was a kidnapping in the Philippines, this is not a big deal if you are not one of the hostages, or a Pilipino trying to make a living.

[Xavier_Onassis]

, not one Christian led terrorist attack or Jewish led terrorist attack. 

Only because you refuse to admit that what the Christian Americans and the Jewish IDF did was far more murderous and terrifying.

[Plane]

, not one Christian led terrorist attack or Jewish led terrorist attack. 

Only because you refuse to admit that what the Christian Americans and the Jewish IDF did was far more murderous and terrifying.

?
That is a strange thing to assert.

Is everyone that goes to war equally guilty?

The reasons mattering not?

[Xavier_Onassis]

To civilians killed in Iraq or New York or Gaza the result is the same: innocent people murdered through no fault of their own,

[sirs]

Again, trying to conflate war, in which we, the United States, make every effort to minimize, if not avoid civilian casualties, with acts of terrorism, which have every intention of killing as many civilian casualties as possible.  In war, they are not murdered.  In terrorist acts, they absolutely are

Good thing you were never in charge of anything, or we'd all be ruled under a Fascist Dictatorship

[Plane]

To civilians killed in Iraq or New York or Gaza the result is the same: innocent people murdered through no fault of their own,

   What can be done to reduce war or eliminate it?

    Every little bit counts.

   Then same question about terrorism.

      I bet my answer is different than yours.

[Plane]

................, or we'd all be ruled under a Fascist Dictatorship

Basically true.

Human nature being what it is , tyrants have advantage when freedom loving sorts are not organized to resist and pacifists want peace at any price.

But I would not accuse XO of a bad attitude at this point , wait for him to say.
   

[Xavier_Onassis]

If the US had never become independent, I hardly think that  a unified British North America would have been any less powerful militarily than Canada and the US were together.  The Indians might have gotten a slightly better deal, the Civil War would probably have been avoided, and it would have taken the Brits longer to have populated Australia. 

The South was not much of a bastion of liberty even after losing the Civil War, and before it, it was a far more oppressive state than South Africa or British rule in Ireland at its worst.

WWI would surely have been won by the Brits much sooner, and the Germans might never have allowed it to begin at all.
When WWI began, none of the European countries thought that the US would get involved militarily. They all managed to convince their stupid people that they would enjoy a quick victiry and be home in time for Christmas. But I do not think the leaders shared this view.

[sirs]

Rationalizing and fantasizing are not too far separated in some folks.  Plane nailed it again....Human nature being what it is , tyrants have advantage when freedom loving sorts are not organized to resist and pacifists want peace at any price.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Invading Iraq was not an act of "freedom loving people".

It was an act of a cadre of stupid, arrogant people brainwashing the citizens into providing huge profits for a few contractors, and suffering for millions.

Some people were duped into believing it was, but it is now clear that it has resulted in many, many people being less free than previously to the war, and thousands of them being dead, of whom only a small minority were Americans.

[sirs]

Invading Iraq was not an act of "freedom loving people".

That make no sense.  In what war did anyone ever act in a "freedom loving" manner??

It was an act of a cadre of stupid, arrogant people brainwashing the citizens into providing huge profits for a few contractors, and suffering for millions.

And one again, your opinion of the why, is duly noted......and discarded for facts and common sense, given the events of 911 and the global intel on Iraq's WMD program, that pretty much everyone agreed with

Unless of course, you're going to demonstrate how that Bush not only used some sort of global mind control to force everyone to believe Iraq's WMD program, but managed to coerce, nearly every other country's intelligence agencies to fabricate their own intel to "go along"

Good luck with that

[Xavier_Onassis]

In what war did anyone ever act in a "freedom loving" manner??

WWII comes to mind.
The US military always indoctrinates the troops about how they are acting in defense of freedom.

[sirs]

Iraq was no different than WWII. ..... except of course that we used 2 atom bombs.  Is that what was missing in Iraq, us using a atom to prove we were acting in a "freedom loving manner"?

[hnumpah]

News flash...war does not = terrorism

Terrorism is the specfic effort by an individual or group, and not a government, to target and kill innocent men, women, and children, in the name of some ideological cause, religious cause, or simply hatred

Now, try again

Bullshit. Killing innocent civilian men, women and children is terrorism, whether it is Islamic extremists, Israelis versus unarmed Arab civilians, or American gunners spraying Iraqi cars for following too close. This holier-than-thou-because-we're-by-god-americans crap doesn't hold up as an excuse anymore.